Duke of Lizards

My biggest problem is similar: Oathbringer sits on my shelf next to the previous books and the title on the spine is SO DIFFERENT from the other two. It throws off the fine symmetry that I worked so hard to achieve on my bookshelves...sad.

The Adolin-Shallan-Kaladin discussion has beaten the topic to death. Having said that, I come back to it once or twice a week like

Whaaaat?! Please elaborate. Or point me to that discussion. I'm intrigued. PLEASE DISREGARD. I SHOULD HAVE KEPT READING THIS THREAD. Cooool!

Adolin: "We certainly are an odd bunch" Pattern: "Yes. Seven people. Odd" I couldn't contain myself. I had to go into a fake coughing fit so the people in my office wouldn't know what I was up to.

This concept has always felt very incestuous to me. Like Lannister level incestuous. It grosses me out.

Maybe Lift is a vegetarian? Kind of fits...does anyone recall a scene in which she specifically eats meat of some sort? Bless her, if that is the case, she just doesn't know how delicious bacon actually is. We should feel sorry for her.

The very moment we got a physical description of her. I think that her sword was referred to as "otherworldly" and I was like "There she is!"

Guys, I've really loved reading everyone's replies to this topic, even the painful ones. The emotion that Brandon can generate in his readers is powerful and I think it makes reading his books all the more rewarding.

This was all I could think about after my reread of that scene...

I think it is likely that something along those lines will occur. It just seems convenient for the time skip that happens after book 5.

Thanks! This kid is definitely being groomed for the shard: he/she already has a cobalt blue Bridge Four onesee!!

So, I was a giant ball of emotion during the last few hundred pages of Oathbringer. I'm just curious: Did anyone else have a good cry moment like me? I cried briefly when Teft said his third ideal and wept to the point that my husband had to console me when it was revealed that Skar and Drehy saved Elhokar's son. (He thought a character had died and had a good laugh at me when I explained that I was "happy" crying.) Anyone? Was it just me? (disclaimer: I'm a pregnant lady, so my life is just a big emotional storm right now and that may be why I was so emotionally charged.)

I’ve been reading the book. You’re going to know it’s her.

I got one! I'm not too far into it because I could not stay awake last night. What I have read is all kinds of wonderful.

Can you share, please?

So many feelings!

I'm doing my Monday lunch break reread of the previous week's chapters and I caught this. Here she is, again, getting a little over-confident (IMO) because she has stormlight. Something like this has been mentioned rather frequently by Shallan and I think we are getting set up for a scene in which her stormlight seriously fails her either by running out, or simply not being able to save her in some way, shape, or form.

Glory spren. A part of me wishes that Shalash's face was scratched out.

Hey now, I think betrayal is a very strong word to use in this situation. Can you elaborate on what you mean by betrayal? I get the broken trust part and I totally agree that there are some hurdles that Kaladin will have to jump in order to regain her trust, but I cannot think of a time that he betrayed her.

Yes! I'm convinced that the idealized version of Helaran that she remembers is something that she created in her mind, as she tends to do...often.

I don't think you're wrong in some cases (Shallan's father comes to mind), but I also think that Odium's influence doesn't always manifest in that way. This is just how I imagine it. I'm under the impression that Odium can push people in certain directions, sort of like Mistborn Spoilers:

I haven't even made it through this entire thread, but this WoB was presented on the first page. Has anyone ever looked at the answer to this question and thought, maybe the "thinking along the proper lines" answer might mean that Navani is the one being influenced by Odium? Just trying to look at it from a different angle. Brandon can be cryptic. Pun intended.

“Adolin, dear,” she said, finally pulling the blanket back down to her shoulders, “I could literally survive being stabbed with a sword through the chest. I think I’ll be fine with some ruffians in the market.” I think Shallan is getting a little bold with this thought process and it worries me. As someone stated above, she has already said something along these lines and I'm concerned about this attitude. Girl, your healing abilities are only as good as the amount of Stormlight that you possess. Don't get cocky.

So, Ialai could be presented in this manner (accompanied by a Ghostblood/possibly a member of the Ghostbloods) as an antagonist to Shallan, or this could be the beginning of a [not so] beautiful relationship for her. I may be alone in this, but the prospect (though unlikely) of Shallan under the tutelage of this master manipulator excites me a bit!

Wow. There has been some great analysis from both sides! I'm really impressed by how well you guys have examined these characters! I'd like to know if anyone shares this opinion...and I'm kind of going to play devil's advocate for a moment. (I'm also going to admit that this may be a bit harsh...and I want to make it very very clear that I love Shallan as a character just as much as the boys). Does anyone else think that the boys would both be better off, at least for now, by running fast in the other direction? Shallan has a whole lot of issues to work out and I assume that these issues may be damaging to any romantic relationship that she tries to form. I see some of the arguments for each ship operating under the assumption that Shallan is the prize. Does anyone else see her as potentially being toxic for a relationship? I recognize that the same argument could be made for the guys. I'm preparing myself for some harsh criticism...please be gentle...I recognize that this may be unpopular.