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  1. Archer
    I'd argue the elims are most likely to spam Protect to defend themselves from the Generic Kill and to ensure the NK isn't blocked, which would confirm a villager's alignment. This assumes the village is generally inclined towards spamming the Kill to keep it out of their hands. Trying to roleblock the NK is villagers' next best option. I think the elims will be content to double fill and protect so long as we maintain the appearance of mostly going for the options we'd like to keep them away from. Steel finding the rules on his own seems villagey to me. If I were evil, I'd worry that that edit looks like I got help from the elim doc. Or if I knew where the rules were the whole time, that'd be an interaction prompt and I wouldn't be so quick to end it.
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    I believe Elandera misunderstood the way generic abilities work, falsely implying that 50% of people need to send in a Generic Kill order in order for it to go off, when that's actually more like how the Synod kill works. 50% is a relevant number to the generic kill because that's how much of the time it works with a low player count. Currently, it should always work if Kill is an approved action for that Night's list the GM makes up, with a random person's request being selected and used. I think Araris reacting to a reaction test to say reaction tests don't prompt reactions shows a smidge of elim-like combativeness, but I actually like their reason for their Steel stab and am okay with them discussion driving with comments like that. Mat dissuading discussion is, conversely, a bad look. Actually no it might be to keep info from the elims. Mat, why'd you say that
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    *insert Araris quote here* He said, while reacting to my post. :P. *quote GM here* XD. To respond to a moot point, when GMs come up with lots of fun roles, their first thought is usually how can I fit as many of these as possible into the game so I can see what happens with them? Which leads to a preference for role madness and role uniqueness when there's extensive rulesets. TUN raises an interesting topic though by reminding us that generic abilities exist! (Hidden near the end of the doc...) And uhhhh, we can kill people? As villagers? Well one of us can. That feels important. It's lightly countered by the Protect ability, making it likely a village hindrance more than anything. We have to submit kills to keep the elims from doing it, but the elims know to protect each other, so even if we get it right, it might sputter anyway. So we need a mix of kills and protects to be submitted. Fun! Everyone go read those and panic about the pace of the game with me To respond to Ash, at this point you're better off hiding your power role by intentionally failing your fillcon one Day and making it up with a double fill. The list is going to narrow very quickly. If someone wants to post a list of fillcons, that might help things.
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    I think rollover is a midnight for me, so don't expect much from me at EoD. --Sooo we've got a hail Mary alignment scanner in the form of the Copper Ferring, but they're fairly catchable because their vote will get redirected, which over the minimum three turns it takes them to get fully charged up, will be fairly obvious even if no one quotes. It's possible that there's been a heavy distribution of vote manip to compensate though, so I suggest we avoid quoting for today anyway. Realistically, the only place they can hide is among frequent non-voters, so if describes you, feel free to help our potential Copper Ferring out by maintaining their win con. --Members of the Synod should avoid claiming so that the elims can't use strategic NKing to gain control of the kill. If that ship has sailed, enforcing accountability is the next best option. At least make it awkward to blatantly seize control. I'd bank on there being at least one elim in the doc, but maybe not too many because villagers can easily misfire on their own just fine so why make it too easy? My preference on the mill's use would be to hang on to it as a threat to avoid an emboldened elim team. --I usually assume role madness in games like these, TUN, so if you want to disprove that, go ahead. But you're probably better off trolling if you're a vanilla. --RNG is for evil cowards yada yada don't like it --This vote was not RNG: Araris
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    Unordered. Evil Xino - don't like their buckets Devo - didn't want to seem like they had TMI Liranil - I actually had them as village but I like what Mat said and don't like pinging Bort Striker - stole my read :(. Eh Illwei, Bort - no clue Stick - could probably bump into evil. Their e-e discussions pinged me. Also hesitant to move their vote around very much Village Ash's eyes - naked votes seem village JNV and Mat seem village
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    I'm still confused. You think Mat's signal word to bus him was... bus? If you knew that, why'd you leave open the possibility that I hadn't PMed everyone? And so e!he might think v!he would make them but do it more narrowly because coming up with broad suspicions is hard Having only three suspects and one of them being an inactive probabky means you missed someone. What's nice is now all the elims have committed to a vote, so somebody has made a case in bad faith somewhere to find Pleasantly surprised by that. TUN will be happy. You pinging Bort feels weird though. Red flag for me because you're voting based on votes, not suspicions. I'll note your questions have mostly been about the mechanics of the game, not the substance of the discussion. This is your invitation to point at someone and yell you fool, I'm on to you! I also will not be on on Sunday, if that becomes relevant.
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    I actually disagree with this take. One, I'm village. But two, the recent naked votes do little to push the JNV train other than add the votes. I was okay voting JNV in part because the votes on them aren't over explained and therefore feel village. Also, your bad bucket appears to be the alternative to the JNV wagon plus everyone voting JNV. And an inactive. So not sure why you bothered making buckets when you could have covered that all with your final take. Sus. Striker (JNV)
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    Smh teachers be sitting on their high hrose Only if the Detective claims to a villager. I'm imagining them only telling one or two people, and doing so late in the game when perhaps exlo is upon us anyway and there's a higher upside to conf villagers being revealed. I don't see why saying bus is an issue. Unless you think that was a signal word? Generally something as simple as a signal word is permitted, but default to the over lord's answer on this one. Or it could be something like when I put my vote at the start of a post instead of the end, bus me. I actually doubt they thought of this yesterday, but think it's easy enough to do. Sure you can fake it but the question is would they think to. Maybe some of those little things are faked, but they're still worth pointing out. I think I'd be okay with Striker dying because I think they might have tried to use my expressed suspicion of JNV to start a mix wagon on them then bailed too easily when it didn't work out, or Devo for that careful not making a reasonable assumption that I pointed out plus my confusion about their Mat vote. My initial thought was JNV because they were ranmbly in the PM post (talked about cake for some reason, which seemed like someone trying to fake villager writing), although I'd prefer to go to one of the other two because they now seem more stream of consciousness in a more independent direction rather than agreeable like in the houses LG. But it's a subtle distinction I'm not ready to die for yet. So that vote count is horribly inaccurate and an outright lie because JNV is actually in the lead now (Devo)
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    Light village for being surprised by what I assume was posted in the elim doc The weird part is I made three. Which isn't a ton. I don't think JNV and I have talked 1 on 1 yet in PMs So as I told you and someone else I think, I felt that JNV talking stream of consciousness was reminiscent of their strategy as an elim in the LG with house docs. Very rambly, which they were in their group PM post. I was waiting for a larger sample size before discussing it today, although you best me to the punch. (Only two options are e!you looking to build a wagon you knew I'd support or v!you plagiarizing :P.) I need to check their anon posts to see if Nat's assessment is correct, so I'll circle back to this. An NK will almost always happen. So if they call it and only one kill happens, reasonable assumption is they're a liar, not that no NK happened. If two kills do occur, they'll also be exposed because then the person they told can ask if anyone submitted a Detective kill, otherwise they're conf good. Standing orders can exist, but it'll be clumsy if it occurs Although I like Xino's idea about having a trigger word that signals time to bus. Well now that I've said bussing is hard, I realize my initial thought that this is too obvious seems invalid This reads like you carefully avoiding the appearance of TMI when, having seen I was working down the list, it wouldn't be a hard assumption to think I finished the job. Devo has also said JNV was like this as a villager, so I'll take that as fact
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    Highlights from the rules: -Need a majority to cause an execution -Elim doc is closed in the Day -No skyeels tonight. They're death that rains from the sky on even Nights. Roles: -Former Detective (v): delayed action coinshot [If you call a shot you can be a conf villager] -Skyeel Enthusiast (e): Traps player so visitors to them die. [Protecting ally probably, bearing in mind that it makes their target non NKable] -Humane Skyeel Capturer (e): Likely protects ally from skyeel attacks -Politician: Pulls a vote to match theirs -Hired Thug: PM blocker -Field Exterminator: There's three. My guess is one is evil because GMs like to do that with popular roles. You protect a house from skyeel attacks. You're immune to the attacks so protect someone else. -Apprentice Exterminator: One time immunity to skyeels, can protect houses from attack as well. I'm not entirely sure why this is different from the above role. * Discussion prompts: -How aggressively should the Detective attack if they exist? -Are we assuming 3 elims? -Ways to exploit lack of elim communication? -You're all planning on voting right. Please do Oooooooo Oh huh Not true, they were in my (legal) PM What do you have against my horse :(.
  11. Archer
    Eelton the Eel Killer assessed the situation. "Weel, weel, weel. This council don't know what they're doing, huh. Won't prevail in this by men gettin' lucky. No, this ere calls for someone with skeel." He flicked his toothpick. "Hope you find someone like that, that certainly don't describe me." Literally everyone. Sorry about that. Can I get free village cred for flagrantly breaking the rules when e!me would have been talking in the elim doc with the GM and probably avoided that violation? You PM to figure out who to vote for! This game basically comes down to figure out how a reasonable villager would act/think and prompt people until someone deviates from your expectations, at which point you ask them to justify their posts and evaluate their level of truthfulness. Any opportunities for discussion are good. Also, hello new people! Nice to play with y'all. I'm going to check the rules before posting misinformation, but I think we might need to reach 50% consensus to cause a kill? If that's true, which I'm not saying it is as I have not looked at the rules recently, it'd be good to know how you'd like the make that work. I'm going to go read them now Edit: Devotary
  12. Archer
    In as Stann, a clerk with patchily dyed blue hair and an obsession with flipbooks.
  13. Archer
    First of all, I'd like to give Meerkat an AHHHHH nO, NO whyyy NO award for making this comment: Anyway, I really liked this game format. I love the dynamic where consistency of opinions is how you confirm people haven’t been converted, yet the kandra mechanic forced constant re-evaluation of reads. Thanks for running this, GM, IM. Good game, all. according to Kas, you guessed me correctly, Illwei. You were just wrong a lot of other people in the process. :P. :P. > 4ever
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    Technically no, because I think I typed out r-u-s-t for that. :P.
  15. Archer
    Wow, there's a Night Zero and 24 hour Day and Night turns instead of the 48 I was expecting based on my standard assumptions about how MRs operate? Fun! In as Eelton the Eel Keeler.
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    The SE subforum thanks you! I'll miss the ninja emoji though
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    The game has ended, with this being the public debrief thread
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    Google tells me my phone has a display size of 5.1 inches, 71.7 cm2, ~71.2% screen-to-body ratio. Here's what my display looks like. I rarely use numbered lists via the button, the line break thing, or whatever that black box does, so more helpful buttons like colored text or even strikethrough would be preferred if that's something that can reasonably be adjusted for the landscape mode. No complaints about portrait.
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    Silencing doc talk would simply send the elim planning conversation to a PM. If both were Silenced, I'd worry that it'd lead to a situation where one elim has to call all the shots, which is akin to mayoring of that group. I was using it to prove I wasn't submitting the kill, which could have led to some PoE elim finding. But I agree it would be better included in a longer game. Maybe make it so they can Silence say 20% of living players' PM use, so your impact isn't backloaded. 1 of 20 players feels pointless, but 4 of 20 is impactful. Later, 4 of 10 is overpowered, but 2 of 10 feels about right.
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    I've got a proposal for a new rule/best practice. -To improve accessibility for the colourblind, all vote retractions are put in brackets. -To make votes easier to find, all votes are put at the end of posts. Ideally on a separate line from other text. I know we already (are supposed to) bold votes to improve their visibility, but I think we're less likely to miss votes if they're always in the same spot. For GMs, it means the difference between having to scan entire posts versus just checking the end of them. It might not be a huge time savings, but it'd probably improve their peace of mind once full implementation is achieved. I actually think putting votes at the start of posts would make them easier to locate, but it's less intuitive for people who decide who they're voting for as they write. This also allows you to continue embedding your votes organically in a paragraph, since precedent says the last vote listed counts, so so long as you repeat the votes at the end of the post, there won't be any confusion. Thoughts on a more efficient strategy or whether this is worth the effort? Example (Retraction)
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    Hey, finally got to find out what Thaid's elim meta is! annnd he's a ruthless busser, great :P. Congrats, elims. I outlined this in the dead doc, but basically the reason we lost was because JNV didn't highlight that Mat didn't identify Experience by name, no other villagers caught that, and Experience burned their credibility by lying. I'm still kicking myself for not pushing Mat harder too. But anyway, I treat QFs as as warmup/practice games. Better to mess up in one of these than in a more prolonged battle of wits. So I'm not too upset by any of it. Thanks for running this, TUN, Devo. Sorry it ended up being short. Again. I still had fun!
  22. Archer
    @StrikerEZ this is your early heads up that you're next on the MR list. We have you down as planning a Mistborn game with that slot. Your next two slots are for... an anon game and a conversion game, so I recommend you stick with that first option. :P. After that is Experience and TUN.
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    I won't try and guess the distro, so no comment on whether the village having two roleblockers and an alignment scanner is reasonable. I don't like banking on kills being not submitted due to inactivity because its a rare occurrence. So I'm back to two elim options. I think of the two, Mat has been more consistent and believable. E!XP's flip also gives us more info than E!Mat's, so if I were choosing at random, I'd pick Experience anyway in hopes of the higher payoff based on what yesterday's voting reveals. Experience
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    Point of order, XP claims to be relaying information from a the real roleblocker. So actually they're both part of a two person trust web. Thing is XP refuses to say who their source is... pocketed!XP dying for this doesn't directly lead to an elim flip because it's unclear if they were lied to by the source or we were lied to by Mat. Whereas if we kill XP's source, and the source corroborates their story, we're back to a guaranteed elim exe next round if this one flops
  25. Archer
    Sure, it's entirely possible because we haven't had enough discussion to solidify reads. It'd just be a bold play that's been well executed. I'll assume it's not JNV, Mat, or myself, so... Tani, wanna corroborate? You're the only active option left. We need to judge your credibility against Mat's to make the right decision. XP has no reason to trust you fully, so they'll out you to save themselves soon anyway. Success of an action wording is something easily asked about in advance to prepare a lie so I put no stock in it.
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