Fatikis

Seems like this would be dangerous. Flaring metals often is hard on the body. Using Feruchemy to compound pewter allomancy cannot be good for you.

Doing this you are going to quickly run into problems with investiture resisting more investiture. You might be able to store some, but it isn't going to be a lot. It would probably be better to store in another metalmind. More than likely Feru-Hema aren't going to react in nice ways. Allomancy has these weird interactions because you are basically tricking Preservation's power into doing odd things. With Feru the power comes from yourself. With Hema the power comes from someone else. Because of this you aren't running into a situation where you can tap into additional shardic investiture. You'd only have access to stored investiture. If you are only accessing stored power Feru-Hema would only have access to the stored attribute and the hijacked piece of sDNA. The only interesting interaction I could see this having is somehow tapping into the stolen piece of soul contained hemalurgically without necessarily spiking yourself. If you were to blank your identity you might be able to access the piece of soul in a hemalurgic spike feruchemically without using the spike.

Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet. AlloHema There wouldn't be any super charging involved. Hemalurgy steals the sDNA. While it is invested with sDNA it wouldn't be a lot of raw power. FeruHema: We can assume this would work in a similar way to AlloHema. Which means it probably would not do anything at all. If it does do something. Theoretically it may be possible to temporarily alter the sDNA with this method. If you could tap the hemalurgic metal mind and use the identity it would be interesting. I'm not certain if this is possible, but it could have major implications.

Your tone seems unnecessary. So what we are seeing is very very similar to Hemalurgy which might be able to help us determine what has actually happened here.

Anyone else think this looked a little like hemalurgy? A form of hemalurgy that is incorporating the focus of Roshar?

Human's coming from Ashyn makes Urithiru true fabrial purpose obvious. Urithiru is a transport to and from Ashyn.

1) Investiture does resist investiture. That does not mean it is not possible. It would most likely just be extremely difficult. 2)I agree with this. Which would mean the color of the blade means very little. 3)This is a fair point I had not considered. 4)The problem here is Edgli's physical manifestation appears to be Tears of Edgli. 5)Nightblood is for sure unique. So much so that it makes more sense for it to be a hybrid of magic types. If Nightblood was of a single type it would be much easier to understand.

You keep stating this. As observed Vasher is a flawed perspective. He doesn't know how it worked. He says it should not have worked. Vasher clearly does not know everything or even much about how Nightblood works.

There is another way to look at this. Awakening is end neutral. Nightblood is extremely end negative. It burns through investiture. That makes it is unlikely awakening alone could not have created this. Nightblood needs something else to create end negative results. It doesn't necessarily have to be of Ruin. The entropic result to me suggests of Ruin, but it could be made of Raysesium. The metal does appear to be black which would not be the color for atium. It is possible that the blade is a spike of Nicrosil. Nicrosil feruchemically stores investiture.

Nightblood would still be an artificial shardblade as it was not created with a spren. I wouldn't call it a zombie spren. If anything normal shardblades with dead spren are zombie spren. Nightblood is a robot spren. Vasher did not understand the full process. It is possible that Vasher was not aware of the atium used. It may have never been the danger that Vasher thought making this very tragic. I also believe there is more to the story. I don't think Vasher simply killed her. I think she may have already been tainted by ruin when he killed her. I very much doubt that humans would have the power to create something to imitate a solid piece of investiture themselves. Preinvested metal makes far more sense to create something of this power. Nightblood is far more powerful than a mere Shardblade. Implying that a lot more power was used to create it. I find it difficult to believe humans managed to gather enough investiture to do this. Starting with a God metal is far more likely to create something like Nightblood. Awakening so far cannot come anywhere close to creating sentience. It is my belief that as it has not ever been shown to be able to do this alone that it cannot. Implying there is something behind the scenes. The physical piece of a god may already contain a fragment of their spirit. Awakening combined with the order then giving the blade sentience that normal awakening could not. There is clearly something else at play here than Awakening. And an unknown metal sure sounds like a god metal.

Because Vasher is an expert on awakening. We should trust in his words that it should not have worked. Meaning there was something else in play. Something that Vasher does not understand. I would say this heavily implies another system was in play. Something that cannot be either found or learned on Nalthis. As atium was essentially a piece of Ruin awakening it could have awakened spiritual fragments that already existed in the metal. This could explain why Nightblood has far more sentience than normal awakening.

Wow, I completely misread that part. Thanks for pointing that out. So that does not fit. However, I still very much think Nightblood being actually made of Atium makes more sense than being made of steel.

Again we are getting a flawed characters viewpoint. A character that admits he not only does he not understand the process, but says it should not have worked.

The problem with this is we've been told that Nightblood was an attempt to create a shardblade with different systems. This means it couldn't have been made from a shardblade. Shardblades are also already "awake" as they are spren. So it wouldn't make a lot of sense to awaken it.

What Vasher said is that awakening steel took 1000 breaths. He even does not know the process for creating Nightblood. Shashara doesn't understand the process fully. Meaning the awakening may have used an awakening for something other than steel but similar. Atium looks quite like steel in the description given in Mistborn. I would say it looks more like silver than steel, but if polished even steel and silver look very similar. Who is to say Vasher didn't already know the metal was invested? If they are trying to replicate Shardblades they would most likely use a God metal. Any god metal would show as invested. If Sazed needs to remove a piece of Ruin to balance himself as Harmony I would say a significant chunk would be needed. Humans existing unbalanced the power between Ruin and Preservation to a fairly extreme level. So the extra power could possibly enough to forge a smallish sword. We know that Shashara learned some of the things for creating Nightblood elsewhere. If she were to get the knowledge from another planet Scadrial is the most likely. We've been told Scadrial is the easiest planet to reach. Who better to teach about metal than a Mistborn? The blade is copying Shardblades so it is more than likely created from a God metal. The blade could be made out of Edglitium, but it appears that the physical manifestation of Edgli is Tears of Edgli. Given the incredibly destructive nature of Nightblood it would be very fitting for it to be made from Atium. Nightblood destroys on all levels. While not evil it is strongly filling ruinous intent. From what we know of Awakening awakened steel even if sentient should not be able to vaporize anyone. Awakening just doesn't have this kind of power. It wouldn't make sense realmatically for this unless there is something else about the sword.

I believe that Nightblood is an Awakened Atium Hemalurgic spike. There are many theories discussing Nightblood could be an awakened Hemalurgic spike. This to me seems to fit very well. Not only is Nightblood extremely ruinous, but it also steals investiture. So far hemalurgic spikes are the only thing we have seen that can steal anything like this. Nightblood is said to be awakened steel however I believe that it is actually composed of Atium. Atium being a catch all Hemalurgicaly speaking it should be able to absorb investiture where steel wouldn't be able to do this. They may call it steel on Nalthis because they wouldn't have knowledge of Atium. It has been theorized that Sazed/Harmony would need to remove a portion of Ruin in order to create balance. This is due to the Preservation deficient with the creation of humans. I suggest that pre-awakening Nightblood is this piece. A direct piece of Ruin therefor a huge chunk of Atium. Can anyone think of any reason this could not be the case? Edit: Removed incorrect information.

This is going to sound a little crazy, but I believe that not only does Kelsier go to Sel, but that while there he reforged the shattered Devotion and Dominion into a new shard. Kelsier has always had a pretty singular goal. Survive. Brandon Sanderson confirmed there is a survival shard, but we don't know who has it or more importantly when has it. We've seen from Dalinar that a shards intent can basically be re-purposed if it has shattered. Kelsier essentially. Kelsier wouldn't be one of the original 16 shards but a new shard entirely.

I hadn't even considered that. It actually makes far more sense. I can't wait to see why Adonalsium was shattered. A lot of good people participated in the shattering. I've been trying to track down what Adonalsium means. As to the other gods I assumed it was not just his name. So far I'm confident that this is relevant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adon Sium is a root that can mean to dream or slumber. This may be relevant. Alsium was an ancient city off the cost of Etruria. I do not believe this to be relevant. Al is interesting, but probably not related. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_(folklore) Some language buffs might be able to track this down better than me.

I'm wondering if we are only getting part of the picture. What if once a shard is shattered the intent is lost? A reforged shard then taking an intent from the new individual to ascend. Dalinar's is obsessed with uniting everyone. What if the intent of the shard has now changed? Instead of Honor we are now seeing a reforging into Unity which is Dalinar's primary drive. When Adonalsium shattered 16 shards were left. These shards can't account for all motivations or perception of beings. They would each just be a fragment of the driving forces behind Adonalsium. Small fragments of Adonalsiums intent. Now that the power is raw. Reforging it could alter the power to the interpretation of the reforger. And clearly "Unite them." means more than just the surface value. I believe unite them refers to uniting The Radiants, uniting mankind on Roshar, uniting human and Parshmen, and uniting the shards of Adonalsiums as well. I am confident by the end of the Stormlight Archives that Dalinar will hold Odium and "Honor" This may actually create a being that is far more terrifying than Odium, but at the same time temporarily contain him until the intents of the shards begin to take over.