Bigmikey357

I for one never meant to imply that Ialai had all her teeth pulled. Brandon went out of his way to say she's intelligent, dangerous. I fully expect her to cause problems. I'm juss saying her resources are limited with her loss of prestige and her army's destruction. She's in no way strong enough to gather a bunch of dissenting Highprinces under her banner for instance. But there are several ways she can still stick it to Team Honor in general and The Kholins specifically. She still has money and her lands so far have barely been touched by the Fused. She still has some contacts that don't rely on the prestige of House Sadeas. She still has a rolodex of knives from the shadows. And she's a woman who feels she has been scorned.

But that's not transferring Stormlight, it's raising efficiency of the Stormlight a Radiant has already. I speculate that what Dalinar is doing is temporarily bumping a Radiant up an Ideal or 2 without them saying the Words (the more Oaths given the more efficient the usage of Stormlight for a given Radiant). Dalinar magically replaces that Hemi V-8 engine with a Prius Hybrid motor only without losing any of the power.

Before peeps start jumping off the ledge about Dalinar dying off, know that those scenes haven't been written yet. Until it's bound up in a novel we can speculate but we don't know for certain what's going to happen or how. And although Brandon writes a tight outline, he still discovery writes when his characters are concerned. I say all this to say that Brandon tends to change his mind to fit the needs of the story so although technical details and the overall story direction rarely deviate from his stated outline, character direction can vary wildly within the narrative. Just for example, in WOK Prime Adolin did not exist and Dalinar killed Elkohar before the book was over. Kaladin had a different name and backstory. There's still so much to know about Roshar, Brandon still has many directions in which he can take the narrative. My advice is to trust the process, don't be so quick to jump ship. But in the end its just suggestions, I mean what do I know? I'm a fan juss like everyone else here.

Distractions in battle can be deadly. Hide some real soldiers in with the illusion and enemies waste time stabbing at shadows while the real knives hit em in the back.

Adolin may need to be more responsible. Not sure if I agree but there's an argument there, it's not totally unreasonable to interpret it that way. And it's certainly true that responsibility is a present theme in the narrative. But if Adolin takes on too little responsibility, Kaladin takes on way too much. He burdens himself with way more than he has control over, and Dalinar ain't helping matters. He piles on responsibilities until a person has no choice but to break because his shoulders are so broad. We see this with Shallan too, expecting her to be Jasnah's equal in scholarship. He's going to have to manage his Radiants better if he wants them to be an effective organization again. More Radiants should help. Him learning the limits of the Orders will help more. If I were to agree with the premise that Adolin lacks responsibility, Dalinar being overbearing could be a foundational reason.

Sorry to burst bubbles, but it won't work. A person's Stormlight gains Identity once inhaled. Demonstrated in the Kholinar Infiltration. Kaladin tried to suck in Stormlight from Shallan's artistic creations and was rebuffed, though he had no trouble recovering his own.

One of my favorite scenes is when Dalinar, fresh from the treachery at the Tower, beats the holy hell outta Elkohar and then gives him the riot act. Elkohar: So you aren't gonna kill me? Dalinar: Gods no! I love you like a son. You're going to make me Highprince of War and oh, by the way, I'm courting your mom.

The Sadeas Coalition is dead. Ialai is in discrace, her hand-picked general is dead, her army in tatters. Those that were supporting Sadeas depended on Torol. The other Highprinces might rebel but they'll never unite under the banner of another. If they don't recognize that their petty squabbles don't matter then they can be outmaneuvered without much threat of a civil war. Ialai is still a significant threat, but I believe a more personal one.

Remember. Sadeas victimized Kaladin too. Kaladin almost killed Syl due to an Oath conflict. What Adolin does wouldn't affect Dalinar's or Kaladin's Oaths. Adolin kills Sadeas as much for neutralizing a future threat as for revenge for past deeds.

I don't necessarily disagree with what you say -- I think Brandon is a great author, probably in contention for the greatest fantasy writer today -- but I find this sort of argument displeasing for two reasons. First, because it entirely kills debate. One person says something like, "I don't think X should happen because of A, B, and C" and another person comes back and says "I'm sure the author knows better than you." Which is probably true; but it doesn't really address issues A, B, or C. The second reason I find this sort of argument unsatisfying is because I can think of several places where it just didn't hold. I can think of several revelations and plot threads that I think were handled...suboptimally, shall we say, in Mistborn (first trilogy), in The Reckoners, and especially in Warbreaker, and even in Stormlight. Since this is the Stormlight sub-forum, I'll mention only my primary Stormlight instance where I feel the explanation falls short: that of the Recreance. I maintained before OB that Brandon had painted himself into a corner and that a good resolution would be impossible; and while he did a much better job of it than I had expected, I still find the explanation to be unbelievable as given. So however good an author Brandon is, I definitely don't think that he's beyond mistake or critique. Though I suppose your mileage may also vary Look, no author is perfect and some story lines will appeal to some readers more than others. I didn't intend for the argument I made to kill debate. My intention was to say that this particular storyline isn't finished, that more repercussions are forthcoming. I'm confident in this because Brandon is no novice, he sees what we see. So if he didn't resolve this plotline in OB he must have a darn good reason. I was saying don't be so hasty to judge this move as a misstep. I'm willing to withhold judgement until we see complete details. Of course if the issue isn't addressed until book 10 or something crazy like that then that would be a kind of mistake in itself. Actually this is the same argument I have regarding the Recreance. We don't have the full explanation yet so it's hard to judge based on incomplete information. But you may get to the end of the series and find that Brandon dropped the ball in your eyes. That's fine too. Lemme give an example of something I didn't think worked at first then totally did, and an example of something that didn't work for me at all. Kaladin had my teeth on edge for nearly the entirety of WOR. Not trusting Dalinar. Not trusting Lighteyes. Trusting that cremhole Moash and not outting him as he turns traitor. And every time I thought he's about to turn the corner here comes Amaram to piss on the parade. If I had thrown the book away after the prison chapter I'd have missed out on a truly epic ending. And I had to realize that ending isn't as effective without him having been drug through the mud over and over. Something that didn't resonate with me? The ASK triangle wrap up. While I think Shallan picked the right dude, the way Brandon closed it out felt rushed to me. After all the angst and build-up, the resolution was anticlimactic.

According to Brandon, Dalinar is his favorite SA character.

We aren't talking about a court of law in this case. We are talking about a man seeking vengeance for a wrong done to his people. The King can take responsibility for the act all he wants but the fact is he was duped. And again Moash can be mad at whoever he wants because emotions aren't rational. But if it were me in his shoes, Roshone gets the Shardblade in the neck. I'll let someone else knock off dumb chull Elkohar

Based on Odium's demonstrated recruiting pitch, I'm not sure Adolin fits his candidate list. Adolin just isn't that dude. I might have picked him going Sith before OB, not so much now. I do predict some major conflict though. In RoW, father and son will get to clash over the worse thing they have ever done, both with each other and with the world at large. These acts will be out in the open for all to scrutinize. Add this to Adolin trying to revive Maya and taking over as Kholin Highprince, Dalinar trying to progress to Ideal 4, and both being important figures in the defense of Roshar from the scourge. It's gonna be a stew. I think many of us struggle to put Adolin's murder in cultural context. If Adolin lived here then the Sadeas thing likely should result in jail time. But if one views it through the lens of his own culture then he should be applauded for a good play. He killed Sadeas, everyone knows it, nobody witnessed it. There are absolutely people in-world that would look upon that act and raise their estimation of him in their eyes. It's fair as a reader to dislike how the murder went down. It's fair to want consequences for Adolin. But if it turns out that there will be no legal ramifications for the act, that will not be abnormal for this world.

We don't know much about Braize other than that's where the souls of the Fused used to hang out between Desolations. It may be able to support life that isn't a Cognitive Shadow. I guess we'll have to RAFO.

I have thought upon the OP's premise and it seems reasonable that that is in part what is happening. It made me think of a framework to how oath progression works that ties in neatly with the theory. Here goes. 1st Ideal: Overall Mission Statement. This Ideal is universal to all Knights regardless of Order. The rest exclude Lightweavers since they are structured differently than everyone else. 2nd Ideal: Order Mission Statement This Ideal is the first unique Oath. It will roughly be the same for all Knights of that Order and my guess is that it ties in to the first of the Divine Attributes associated with the Order. For example, Windrunner is Protecting/Leading. This Oath and all the others will be about Protection. The other Attribute is what the Knight is all about. Their Oaths center on protection. They will be leaders. Since strength of squires is a Windrunner thing it makes sense to me. This also works for Skybreakers and Edgedancers. Skybreakers are Just/Confident and all their Oaths are about justice. They're a pretty confident bunch. Edgedancers (Loving/Healing) have Oaths that deal with love, and they're natural healers. 3rd Ideal: Personalized Expansion of Mission Statement On this Oath the Knight takes ownership of their Oath, signifying what the Order means to them in the context of their Divine Attributes. It serves to narrow the focus and the words will be accepted as long as it's in the same theme as the Oaths. Compare and contrast Kaladin's and Teft's 3rd Ideal. 4th Ideal: Refining Personalized Mission Statement This Ideal is often the hardest to achieve because this Oath is the proving ground for one's beliefs. Skybreakers call this Ideal the Ideal of Crusade and it seems logical that the other Orders follow this pattern in a similar way. It deals with exceptions to the rules set and many will find it hard to achieve the proper equilibrium. Jasnah sparing Renarin, choosing compassion over logic, is what I believe is the impetus for her 4th Ideal. Kaladin could not say it because he couldn't come to terms with the fact that he cannot protect everyone. And although Lightweavers don't necessarily follow this pattern, if they have progressed this far then they are dealing with the hardest Truths they can come to grips with. 5th Ideal: Embodiment The final Ideal is the one where a Knight internalizes everything that Order represents. I mostly got this from Nale's 5th. I am Law. You gotta be pretty confident to believe you are worthy to be an ultimate judge of mankind. And I believe people that can say Ideal 5 are those that most resemble their patron Herald pre-Last Desolation. Kaladin upon saying Oath 5 will be like Jezrian used to be before a dozen Desolations scrambled his brain. Knights are broken when they enter their Nahel Bond. Spren fill the cracks more completely with every Oath spoken. By the time they can speak their final Ideal they will have been made whole with the soul merge between them and their Spren. To me, that's the same as emotional healing.

Proof: Uncle Addie was a big guy with big gas bubbles, big enough gas bubbles to belch out planets. He did a couple and saw it didn't match with the 10-centric motif so he went back for seconds. Theory: Sadeas faked his own death so he could take over Threnody and merge with the Evil.

So what are the applications for tapping Identity?

I believe that this is a case where the author knows what's important to the narrative and what isn't. Most readers saw the Sadeas slaying as a springboard to Adolin revelations, Team Honor conflicts, an entire host of possibilities that we got none of in OB. I've seen a bunch of people in the fandom that admitted to the missed opportunity effecting their enjoyment of the series in a negative way. Even those who were fine with it like myself still felt that disorientation of waiting for the other shoe to drop only it never does. Brandon is a professional, best selling author. He teaches classes in this crem. If we as readers saw it, it's nearly garanteed that he did. And if he didn't his beta readers surely clued him in on it. So why wouldn't he addreess the issue in OB like we all expected him to? The only thing I could think of is that there is something more important he needs to say about this event or he's going to address it later in a way that's more satisfying than what we have so far. Basically he's setting the payoff up for later than we expected. Being a Robert Jordan superfan and then finishing off the iconic Wheel of Time series, he knows all about pushing payoffs down the line and resolving them in interesting ways. He has the experience to pull it off. Will we still feel the way we do about the Sadeas incident by the end of 1st half SA, once we have more info? Can you trust Brandon to bring a satisfying resolution to this arc? After making me care about Elkohar, I believe Brandon can do just about anything. Your mileage may vary.

Adolin advantage: Young and Strong Had dagger Surprise Disadvantage Injured Bloodied and exausted from battle Fighting with anger versus experienced opponent Time Sadeas Advantage: Fresh Uninjured Spoiling for a fight (else why provoke a known hothead with no backup available) Experienced fighter The Thrill Disavantage Shardblade unsummond Misjudged ferocity of reaction You can add up the sums however you wish, but in my opinion Adolin was fighting no babe in the woods. This guy has been on campaign for more than 40 years and knows a thing or 2 about fighting under control else he'd have been dead on some long ago battlefield. And lets face it, the way Adolin attacked was stupid as hell. He never even thought to summon Maya even though his opponent was a Shardbearer too. He surprised Sadeas, but Sadeas should have guessed Adolin's reaction and been on his way to summoning Oathbringer just in case. Sadeas should have been too smart to be in that situation in the first place, or able to take advantage of a stronger but injured opponent, an opponent made stupid by anger. Sadeas was weaponless. Defenseless? Not so much.

Sure Moash could have done it for the good of the country. But Kaladin called him on that chull dung. “They’re traitors,”Kaladin said. “I want nothing to do with them.” “You said you’d consider!” “I said that,”Kaladin said softly, “so that they’d let me leave. We have a duty, Moash.” “Is it greater than the duty to the country itself?” “You don’t care about the country,”Kaladin snapped. “You just want to pursue your grudge.” “All right, fine..." WOR Chapter 46 I can admit my bias though. For Moash the thing that sticks in my craw isn't really that he wants to off Elkohar. His reasons are stupid but whatever, emotions aren't rational. It's the betrayal. Betrayal is one of my hot button topics so I'm more likely to judge a character harshly if they engage in those types of behaviours.

I see a rape or sexual assault as a strong possibility for Jasnah's youthful malady. What I doubt is that she named her assailant and was rebuffed. She's the flipping princess of the realm under the strongest of all possible kings. The only person on Roshar that could dare to get away with raping an underage princess would be Dalinar and not only does that not fit his character it doesn't fit how Jasnah regards him. It fits Sadeas character but Jasnah's reaction to him isn't one of a person having to work with someone who victimized her. She reacts to Amaram in that fashion but he is no where near important enough to get away with that if she'd told on him. Conclusion: if she was raped and that's what led to her 'treatment', she never outted her assailant. My opinion only. On religion: By no means an expert but I think I've read somewhere that the LDS church has a tradition similar to Jesuits, where interrogating their faith is an encouraged practice, or at least a tolerated one. I certainly could be dead wrong on this one though.

I'm not saying Moash didn't have a right to his anger, I think he was targeting the wrong person. Elkohar was negligent in putting those oldsters in prison and forgetting about them, certainly true. But Roshone engineered the entire mess. He knew the people personally. He asked the favor of an inattentive king. He decided he had to get rid of his business competition by any means. If Moash should have had passionate hatred for any body, it should have been Roshone. If Roshone was to be targeted it's a simple matter indeed. He's more accessible, a minor lighteyed noble in an out of the way country estate. Kal could tell him the exact location of his dude including the house he lived in. He wouldn't have had to betray a friend to take his revenge. And as a Shardbearer no one would have dared question him much less tried to apprehend him. He could have run that quick errand and been back in the Bridge 4 fold with no issues. He wouldn't have to love Elkohar but he could have guarded him without undue malice aforethought. What happened is that someone sold him a dream and he couldn't let go of it. As I think about it, Odium had to be working on him nearly from the start for him to bypass the dude personally responsible for his family's imprisonment in favor of an uncaring judicial system. Roshone wasn't just a cog in the machine, he played the grandparents and the government both. Yet when reckoning time comes and Moash has power he goes for a dude that was hardly involved.

Moash wasn't doing so for any type of greater good or threat to his family or anything. A misplaced sense of vengeance was Moash's sole motivation.

For those who want Adolin to face the music regarding the slaying of Sadeas, Brandon is on record saying that the fallout from that act isn't completely done. In fact, seems to me that the entire surviving Kholin clan has a bunch of turmoil ahead. Adolin and Renarin will learn that Daddy Dearest murdered his mom, Renarin will have to navigate being bonded to a half-voidspren, Shallan will come clean about her Ghostbloods involvement and potentially becomming Jasnah's enemy, Navani gets to grieve a son. Gut punches all around.

Remember that Cadmium bubble is big. She could bring her bf in there with them. Let's say she buys a small cottage somewhere out the way. She banks her considerable life savings and takes her guy to the cottage. She spends a couple years honeymooning it while constantly flaring Cadmium. They come out 100 years later having aged a couple years. She's richer than Warren Buffett and the tech is advanced enough for her to get some instant noodles. Wax and Steris would be dead, as would her father, which would be sad. But who else does she really care about? If she wanted them there that bad she could bring them into her bubble too.