digitalbusker

5 hours ago, insert_anagram_here said:

I'm expressing the original idea in the hope to find a like minded person, that would entertain the thought with me so we figure it out.

You're not going to figure anything out by ignoring the evidence against your theory. That's not analysis, that's... I don't know, a creative writing exercise?

The way to do that would have been to start a topic called "[OB] Ash's Identity" or some such, and open your post with something like "I know this is not the accepted theory, but I have this feeling that Ash might not be Shalash, and I'd like to discuss it...."

Would that post have gotten two replies immediately citing contrary evidence and then fallen off the front page forever? Maybe. Is it sad when that happens? Yeah. Is that better or worse than starting a thread and having it hijacked halfway through the first page by a post that starts "The theory that $tangentially_related_noun is $commonly_accepted_synonym is just that: a theory" and then kicks off a giant argument? Unclear.

1 hour ago, insert_anagram_here said:

Aha that's interesting! Can you give me more details on why you believe this?

We know she's getting a flashback (PoV?) book in the back five. We know each of the orders is supposed to "have" one of the ten books. The only two confirmed book characters who aren't already known to be members of an order are Ash and Taln. The only two orders not represented among the other eight book characters are the Stonewards and the Releasers (aka Dustbringers). Taln still seems like a good match for the order associated with him, but Ash has had some personality changes (notably she's destroying art now instead of creating it), so seems like a plausible match for the Releasers.

Also, at the end of Oathbringer, when Dalinar thinks he's almost got all the orders represented (the "Avengers Assemble" scene) we can confidently map eight of the orders to characters who are present and have bonded spren. The two orders missing, again, are Stonewards and Releasers, and the two characters yet unbonded (as far as we know), again, are Taln and Ash.

Now we don't absolutely know that each book character will be a member of the order that corresponds to their book. But we're pretty sure of eighty percent of them, so....

Marsh: paludal 

2 hours ago, insert_anagram_here said:

The theory that Ash is Shalash is exactly that, a theory and never proved in the books. She destroys Shalash's statues, but that doesn't prove that she is Shalash herself. She could be trying to take over Shalash's identity, convince society that she is her and by destroying evidence of how Shalash actually looked like. Also, Ash is said to be one of the 10 SA books POV and if she indeed is Shalash, that would mean we are lacking the Dustbringer order from the books but at the same time have two Lightweavers POVs.

Dude. Just off the top of my head:

* She matches the picture that Hoid drew for Jasnah.

* The depictions of Shalash that she's destroying don't actually look enough like her to make the identity theft angle a sensible motive.

* When she scratches the brazier outside Taln's tent, she thinks "Don't idolize us".

* Neither Taln nor the Stormfather is like "Who dis?"

* On the double Lightweaver PoV thing: Shalash isn't a Lightweaver, she's their mascot. And yeah, based on the Avengers Assemble scene, I expect she's destined to become a Releaser.

I don't know if you're thinking she's another Herald or just some fan, but she's definitely at least a Herald. And it would be pretty crazy for her to not be the one she seems to be, given we have a even a short PoV from her.

On 2/13/2018 at 0:32 AM, Kaladins said:

Navani: Brilliant

Jasnah: Wisdom

I would swap those, myself.

On 2/12/2018 at 10:09 AM, Wandering Investor said:

Considering the way Gavilar handed one gemstone to a listener and demanded the other be kept from the listeners, the gemstones are likely different.

To be fair, in between those two things they had him killed.

Deevy.

(What do you mean, which character? All of them!)

Renarin: awkward*

*: In the sweetest way.

Adolin: best

Jasnah: overqualified

I wonder how it would be for a regular human with some kind of filter mask to go bead diving. I would worry about bumping into dangerous submerged spren, but in a shark cage or something it could be interestingly trippy.

ETA: There's got to be some kind of maximum depth, where the accumulated weight of the beads above pack the beads below too tightly to penetrate. Although whenever people have fallen in, they seem to be getting into their orifices faster than you'd expect, so maybe we can't really treat them like beads.

Dalinar definitely knows that Taravangian sent Szeth on his latest rampage. Taravangian lied to him about why, but he spun a plausible yarn that wouldn't necessarily conflict with anything Szeth could tell him. He was definitely trying to get out ahead of the story.

3 hours ago, hoiditthroughthegrapevine said:

Or he could alter his body for the shadesmar trip (get rid of his nose and mouth) and walk all the way to Urithiru, ignoring the sea of glass beads.

Ah yes, the nose and mouth, commonly understood by science to be the only reason we need to breathe....

6 hours ago, MountainKing said:

Well yeah i guess whichever Bridge 4 members bond to it can summon it as a shardbridge.

What would the oaths to said Nahel Bond be?

2 through 4 are just "Bridge 4!" at increasing volume levels.

The fifth is a very rude and impractical suggestion for Moash.

2 hours ago, Bort said:

Perhaps it has been infused long enough that Bridge Four's spren is now the 4th Bondsmith spren.

I take it all back. This is definitely in my headcanon now. After all, what does a bridge do but bond two places?

1 hour ago, Ravioli said:

I learned how to write,

Just to send this to you.

Good thing she taught him the masculine "I".

I think we're discounting the impact of "Jezrien's dead" on the non-Vorin nations.

1 hour ago, MountainKing said:

Prolong exposure to investiture causes thing to change, like life thriving and an immune system boost, so why when using the surge of adhesion on the bridge, that it doesn't changed. 

You're conflating the large scale undirected investiture radiation of a highstorm with the smaller directed investiture of a Lashing.

Again, it's not impossible that this is a thing. It's just, as far as I can see, not supported by any evidence so far ("wouldn't it be cool" is not evidence).

2 hours ago, MountainKing said:

Yeah, but Kaladin has been infusing it with investiture for months on in, we also know that with constant exposure to investiture things begin to collect investiture inside them.

It's not impossible that there's something we don't yet know that makes this work this way, but right now we have no reason to believe that repeatedly being the subject of Lashings and/or continuous physical proximity to people holding Stormlight would affect an object in this way.

33 minutes ago, Mage of Lirigon said:

Why are you so sure that Nale’s companion isn’t Ishar?

Well Nale wasn't particularly concerned with his objections to whatever he was objecting to, and we know he's got an undeservedly high opinion of Ishar's wisdom.

1 hour ago, Totally_Not_A_Worldhopper said:

Is he trying to kill them, like is he an evil psycho murderer etc? Or is it inadvertant (spelling?) ?

If it matters, go ahead and game out both branches. I'm not sure it does.

13 minutes ago, Totally_Not_A_Worldhopper said:

I'm slightly confused... do you mean if someone isn't trying to hurt the radiant, but is hurting someone who should be protected?

If you do, the Radiant would just have to try to protect one person without hurting the other (which sounds like something Kaladin's father would say). 

I'm a third-ideal light singer, and my brother is driving a trolley. He's about to run over some especially virtuous orphans, and the only way I can stop him is by pulling the switch that will send his trolley down a side track into the Angry Chasmfiend Methamphetamine Distribution Center.

My brother loves me, and would never harm me. The orphans deserve to be protected. Which of my oaths do I break?

58 minutes ago, Totally_Not_A_Worldhopper said:

2nd: I will protect anyone who deserves it.

3rd: I will never hurt someone that will not hurt me

Does the third oath have a built in escape clause for people who are trying to hurt people that deserve protection, or is this a deliberate Heroic BSOD trap?

16 hours ago, Lord Mistborn Skybreaker said:

So basically, your order is Starfleet.

Yes, thank you, that was the joke.

Oh, hey: "somebody says intergalactic when they mean interstellar"... Bingo! I've got bingo!

On 2/4/2018 at 2:10 PM, Doc12 said:

Here's one about the idea of keteks themselves, and how they are inspired by Vorin teachings and are holy. Though I suppose you could apply it to writing in general. 

Divine touches creating beauty, men inspiring to write to inspire men - beauty creating, touching divinity.

-1 point for the blasphemous suggestion of men writing, but still high marks.

Presumably he has some larger gemstones squirreled away to hold light through the Weeping. And if a Nalthian week is seven days, then the four 5-day Rosharan weeks of the Weeping would only cost him three breaths. And that's on a Light year, when there isn't a highstorm in the middle.

They must have a way around the off axis motion thing. Maybe it's enough to have the counterweight constrained so it cannot move side to side. Or maybe if you cut the gems in a modified Huerffin Type III ascending lattice (Grez daughter Hilado et al, Fig vii-b) it allows the sprenions to leak out to the sides, this creating a conjoiner that only copies the Z axis with any efficiency.