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I wonder if the connection is a Cognitive one. If you build an alcove into the outside wall of your house, does it perceive itself as part of the house, or separate? If it perceives itself as separate, does that block the mist/Stormlight from entering? I'm more inclined to think that it is a Cognitive barrier because I believe the mists and Stormlight are both more Spiritual and Physical in nature.
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If I could remember what thread I posted it in I'd link it, but there was a discussion about the fissures that Investiture seems to tear in people. It's more noticeable in Hemalurgy, where a lot of Investiture is put into one body, but another great example is Vin's transformation after absorbing the mists. Personally I think any Shard has so much Investiture that manifesting in a corporeal body on the Physical realm would instantly cause the fissures to tear that person apart. I also kind of think that the interesting thing Sazed could have learned from Ati and Leras' bodies was how to protect himself from this effect. Time will tell, however. Note: The phrase I think is probably a really good one to use to avoid Shallan stabbing you for errogence.
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Kelsier was also not the best source of what is and isn't Allomantically possible. Coppercould piercing and beating atium in particular seemed like things he didn't figure out. Also, he had a year or so and never figured out malatium. Gifted leader yes, smartest Allomancer ever? Not so much.
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Complementary Shardumvirates (Why these Shards together?)
Vortaan replied to Swimmingly's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Weeeelllll... is it? Hate and love can look very similar from the outside. I honestly don't think it's true, but it'd be kind of funny if people with the power to create sentient beings end up acting a lot like Shakespearean lovers -
I don't agree with your logic here. We ASSUME that Allomancy is an all or nothing situation because we haven't seen much of the god-metal alloys. Lerasium obviously bends a few rules, it wouldn't surprise me if atium did too. There are also quotes I'm too lazy to look up that indicate to me that the future sight aspect of atium was a secondary aspect to what it actually did. If this is the case, what everyone calls a Seer might just be a person that can access that one aspect of atium burning.
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Complementary Shardumvirates (Why these Shards together?)
Vortaan replied to Swimmingly's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Or the people holding those Shards were romantically linked, friends, or formed alliances. Remember that immediately after getting a Shard, your basic personality doesn't seem to change much. It's with a large amount of time that the Shard takes over. I think it's probably safe to say that Ati and Leras stayed together on purpose to check each other. Honor and Cultivation were romantically linked, and it's not a stretch to think Devotion and Dominion could be too. Odium and Honor could have had a problem before they were Shards, and now that I think of it hatred is something you can cultivate just as easily as honor... is the whole conflict on Roshar in some way a fight over Cultivation? -
I don't think this can be entirely true.The KR did not seem like a huge organization, they seemed more like special forces. If this is the case, I'll bet that many normal people did extraordinary things and didn't bond with a spren that would have made it possible to be a KR.
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I wonder if this could help explain how Kelsier was able to take up Preservation momentarily. It's always bugged me that he could pick up the Shard, even momentarily, when Vin had to go through the Well to be attuned to it.
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Let me rephrase a bit: Demoux is great because he does do great things. Are they Vin level? No, but fighting koloss when you're a normal man takes a lot more courage than when you can do crazy metal twirling antics. By the same token, if Renarim can figure out how to defeat Odium with just his brain and a little bit of extra information, I'll find that a lot more satisfying than if he magics the situation out. Normal in this case means non-magical, not necessarily normal. EDIT: I also tend to subscribe to the people are more extraordinary than we give them credit for way of looking at things, but that's just me. I'm a big fan of the quote: The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one.'
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Honor also could have forced the conflict with Odium. It makes sense to me that Honor would make himself Odium's main target, in order to try and spare the other Shards for as long as possible. Cultivation, on the other hand, doesn't seem like the kind to make herself a target, and this could have caused a bit of bitterness for the people Honor died protecting.
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Am I the only one who doesn't want Renarim to become a KR? One of my favorite characters in Mistborn was Demoux, and it was because he was a normal guy thrust into this group of magic people, and he still managed to be useful through hard work, belief, and determination. Renarim seems to me like a similar character. He can see a spren no one else does... that doesn't mean he has to bond it, or become a KR. I'd actually love it if seeing this spren made a difference in the war against Odium, but it made a difference because it's existence allows Renarim to figure out something about the conflict that Dalinar's visions and Vorin theology leave out. A thing Brandon does that is mildly annoying is that no one stays just a normal person... and I'm not a fan of that. Normal people can make a difference in the world too.
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I'm more inclined to believe my taking more things at less strength theory then
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A good point. Did we have WoB that atium can steal anything?
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But atium already does this. In fact, atium steals... anything. So what would make a lerasium spike good? It either steals a lot of things... or maybe doesn't deform spiritwebs when you use it.
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I'm assuming that each order of KR have unique abilities based upon the combination of two surges. This could be wrong though.
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I wonder about the non-lethally stop a Mistborn part. There doesn't seem to be a "be a Mistborn" bindpoint, or I think Inquisitors would have less spikes. Granted this could be because you can't steal more than one ability at a time, but it makes more sense to me if it's a distributed network. Now it would be cool to sever someone's pewter, for example, and leave them with the rest of their abilities, but I doubt that's very useful. In an on-Roshar example though, could you use a Shardblade to sever out half of a Surge? For example, removing the pressure parts of Windrunning?
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Personally I kind of doubt this. How is a metal spike going to store strength? Or health? If it does, how would a human being tap it, since what constitutes strength for a spike is going to be fundamentally different than what a human counts as strength? As for drawing in Stormlight, you're talking about spiking a Surgebinder, correct? Look at the descriptions of Kaladin and Szeth using their abilities again. How is the spike going to breath the Stormlight in? I think this method would differ from making a fabrial, since spren's ties to Stormlight are more natural.
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Hrm. I would think this would end badly, since a spike would need to burn itself Allomantically and probably wouldn't have any room to store a Feruchemical charge. I also doubt it could store any Stormlight.
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Kandra can't use Feruchemy or Allomancy. Kind of makes it hard to pass on the relevant genetics. EDIT: Innately use. Pretty sure Hemalurgy won't let you pass things on to your descendents.
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Keep in mind guys that Hemalurgy -always- results in a loss of power. You can't sidestep that, anymore than you can sidestep Allomancy creating a net gain. I find it more likely that whatever a lerasuium spike would do, it does it less effectively than if you are not spiked at all. I personally still think that spiking an Elend and putting that in a normal person to get a Vin is pretty darn handy.
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What if Smokers are effectively white noise generators? Get behind the speaker and it's not so bad, to the side it's worse, etc... positioning may be very important here. I can't understand why having a Smoker at the Seeking stations makes sense otherwise. For that matter, how does any skaa Seeker not die horribly?
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That seems redundant. Atium already does that. I wonder if lerasium can actually hold multiple abilities, but at lesser strength. I think that would follow the whole Preserving aspect, as you aren't wasting anything, but still accomplish the Ruin part of Hemalurgy since you still need to sacrifice someone.
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Vin certainly does sense copper. Not from Kelsier, no, but from Clubs in WoA. By this time however it seems she's spent a lot of time practicing bronze, and probably understands what's going on with it a lot better. Something I think is relevant is that copper is a pulling metal. Not only that, it is an internal pulling metal. Is it possible that Smokers are actually pulling nearby pulses to them and then cancelling them out? It would make sense with the range limitation, and why you can Seek inside a bubble: the pulses are passing you but aren't cancelled yet.
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I can't help but wonder if the Knighthawk Foundry is maybe being powered by a gifter like Conflux, not someone running the operation but literally a foundry that is using Knighthawk as the fuel.
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Sell, I think that book's pretty well plotted. Taln will clear up any mysteries about what happened to Honor
