Vortaan

Not sure what you mean, Badadah. How do you download Arena?

Hello everyone

I know that some of us have been playing Magic the Gathering for awhile, and some have just started. With the release of Arena, and subsequently the release of the direct challenge feature, I think the time has come to see who has the chops to be crowned the monarch of the 17th Shard in Magic the Gathering! So, the first tournament. Sign up here over the next week or so, with your wizards name and your decklist. For the first tournament this will be a Pauper tournament! For those who don't know, Pauper means no card in your deck can be of a higher rarity than common. All matches will be best of 3, and the tournament as a whole will be double elimination. I'll set up pairings. After you are paired, you have 3 days to play your games and report your results. I'll set up an online chart of the tournament when I have all the participants. If you have any questions, feel free to send me a private message or poke me on the Discord. Let's see who can come out on top!

So I know there's another thread similar to this, but it's in a section that is supposed to have no spoilers. Moving some of my old ones here, so that I can spoil to my heart's content. Anyone else is welcome to join me. For a first one:

To the tune of "We Are the Crystal Gems" by Rebecca Sugar

<Kaladin>
If you're voidspren and you're on the rise
You can count on the four of us taking you down
Because we've got spren and we've got Stormlight powers
We'll kick your butt and then go out for chouta

We are knights radiant
And we'll probably save the day
And if you think we can't
We'll machina a way
That's why the people of Roshar
Believe in
Kholin
Kaladin
and Szeth
and Shallan!

<Dalinar>
If you could only know
The disasters I've seen
When the highstorms come
And sweep me into dreams
You'd be amazed to see
Honor's Radiance and worth
And I will unite mankind
And I will unite this earth
And I will unite this earth
I will unite them!

<Shallan>
I will fight for a chance to be me
And live together with my family

<Dalinar>
I will fight in the name of Roshar
And everyone that I believe in

<Szeth>
I will fight in the name of Kholin
The most honorable man I've ever known

<Kaladin>
I will fight to be everything
Tien wanted me to become in Hearthstone

<All>
The odds are against but we aren't going to do it alone!

We are knights radiant
And we'll probably save the day
And if you think we can't
We'll machina a way
That's why the people of Roshar
Believe
Kholin
Kaladin
and Szeth
and Shallan!

Forgot this section was spoiler free. Deleting and posting in cosmere

To the tune of I'm Your Moon by Jonothan Coulton

Hey Kal you're a Windrunner
That's why you glow
I wasn't going to tell you
But it turns out, you're pretty slow
I keep telling you to relax
I keep saying there's one thing they can't take

I'm your spren
You're my knight
And we are Radiant
From up here, all of your worries just seem so small
Promise me
You will always remember who you are

Let yourself trust your bridgemen
Watch them learn and grow
We're the ones who are leading
Teaching them how far they can go
You don't have to save everyone
Sometimes you have to help them save themselves

I'm your spren
You're my knight
And we are Radiant
From up here, all of your worries just seem so small
Promise me
You will always remember who you are

Who you were
Long before
Tien left you
Alone

You could probably date Shallan
She could make you smile
She hasn't even said oaths yet
So I think you've got quite awhile
And if that does not work out
I will always be right here next to you

I'm your spren
You're my knight
And we are Radiant
From up here, all of your worries just seem so small
Promise me
You will always remember who you are

Ok, so here's the Vortaan approved breakdown of what I think each Shardworld is like, culinary speaking. There's some caveats. Many cultures we don't see enough food to judge entirely what they eat. I'm also basing a lot of things on what real world cultures the Cosmere culture is based on. This is going to be a somewhat wordy post, at least for me, so let's get started.

SEL

Sel is one of the more diverse Shardworlds from a cultural standpoint. Kiin's table has dishes that seem reminiscent of anything from Thai food to noveau French. That said, I suspect the Jindo are very similar to a traditional Chinese or Vietnamese, but with the addition of potatoes as a starch. There is a WoB that relates that Arelon itself is more like medieval Spain, and I imagine that carries over to Teod too. Fjordell and Svordish I honestly have no idea on, but based on their cultures I am going to make an educated guess at German or Swedish food, possibly even Russian.

NALTHIS

Nalthis is an easier world to make guesses about, because we only have two cultures with a shared lineage. That said, the split between the Idrians and the Hallandrens makes me think that their foods have vastly digressed since the formation of Idris. This is apparently backed up by Siri being completely unfamiliar with much of the food of T'Telir. Using that, I am going to speculate that Hallandren pre-Manywar was very similar to Renaissance Italy, with a lot of local cuisines and a heavy emphasis in seafood and exotic foods at the ports and on the coasts. Post-Manywar, Hallandren likely went further down this route, but now I imagine them mixing in equivalents to North African influences. I expect their food drifted towards more flavorful, involving more spices. As the population grew, a greater emphasis would have been put on easily acquired food, and as a seafaring culture the ocean is likely where most of it comes from. This is backed by the dried squid Vasher feeds to Vivenna, as it is probably the cheapest available foodstuff. Idris, on the other hand, I think would be more equivalent to pre-Industrial Revolution England. Their cuisine would be very bland, seasoned mainly by root vegetables and garlic. The main meat is likely mutton, and I expect that for most Idrians meat is a sometimes addition to a table and not a primary part of every meal.

FIRST OF THE SUN 

First of the Sun is another one that we don't see much of. I am going to just put them down as Polynesian inspired food, likely high in seafood, with something equivalent to pork being eaten but not regularly. There are likely more spices, but this is one of the cultures I expect to eat more fruit than others as part of their diet.

SCADRIAL

Scadrial is pretty clearly influenced by France in it's names and culture, and this influence seems to carry over to it's food. Vin's experience in the ballrooms of Luthadel are very noveau cuisine, while the bay wraps are not out of place in French peasant food. The large haunches of meat with heavy gravy are also a staple of certain kinds of French cooking, and the canning process was invented by a Parisian confectioner. All of these parallels lead me to believe that Scadrian food is French and evolved along similar lines, to the point where current Scadrian food in the Wax and Wayne era is probably very equivalent to early 1900s food in France. Unfortunately , this places it as equivalent to food being eaten around the time of World War 1, which isn't ominous at all.

ROSHAR

Roshar is hard to parse as a whole. We get most of our exposure through either the Alethi or other Vorin kingdoms, and it's fairly clear to me that the Vorin kingdoms have all been culturally influenced by the Alethi to some degree. That said, there's some things I think we can guess. Lavis grain is probably a very high protein grain, and Vorins probably don't have access to many good leavening agents. This is indicated by Kaladin and Shallan's references to "fluffy" Thaylen bread, indicated a lower-protein variant of the grain in the Thaylen region, or a better grade of yeast. Food in Alethkar is probably very similar to Persian food. The regions even look similar on a map. In addition, Persia and that region of the world was an area where many cultures met and traded influences. Alethkar was at other times a conquering nation, and it's more than likely that some other influences came home with them. Chouta in particular I imagine as something similar to a falafel with an indian-style onion gravy, served on a fairly dense flatbread.

That's all the analysis I've done so far. I'm working on recipes, and will possibly post some down the line.

A little something inspired by the Discord. Sing to the tune of Don't Stop Believing by Journey.

Just a skaa born girl, thieving in a ruined world
She'd follow a psychopath nearly anywhere
Just a tineyed boy, left with an uncle he annoyed
He'd follow a psychopath nearly anywhere

A noble in a smoky room
With messy hair and sloppy suits
With a smile he turns a page
And builds a dream to change to world

[Chorus]
Ash stained peasents working in the boulevard
Struggling, dying in the night
Nobles, Mistborn, pretending that they aren't struggling
Dancing somewhere in the night

Planning hard to get my fill
Got a lot of blood to spill
There are no innocents
In this house war
Some will live, some will die
Some will thrive and some will cry
Oh, the battle never ends
It goes on and on and on and on

[Chorus]
Ash stained peasents working in the boulevard
Struggling, dying in the night
Nobles, Mistborn, pretending that they aren't struggling
Dancing somewhere in the night

[Outro]
Don't stop surviving
Last long to be thriving
Nobles, skaa born
Don't stop survivng
Hold on
Nobles, skaa born
Don't stop surviving
Last long to be thriving
Nobles, skaa born

How does the phrase "distant but demanding" put anyone in mind of Tien? He wasn't demanding in the least. I wonder if the voice was another potential windrunner somewhere else

16 minutes ago, snote said:

The difference being mine has evidence in the text to back it up. A shard of the stone of ten dawns IS a "Dawn-Shard". There is no speculation to that.

Two things. One, maybe take the tone down a bit? You are coming across pretty confrontational in your posts, which I'm fairly sure is not your intention.

Two, the perfect gemstones seem to be developed around the same time of the Recreance, given the epigraphs from the Elsecaller. That could have gone one of two ways. Either they could have been created around that time, or they could have been carved off the stone of ten dawns. If the first happened, then there wouldn't be a historical record of them prior to the Recreance. If the second happened, then there would also not be a historical record of them prior to the Recreance. I think a third option could be that the perfect gemstones are an attempt to recreate the power of the Dawnshards. 

Oh this got moved. Neat! But yeah, I'm happy with what of it came true. I was wrong about the Voidbringers not being Parshenid... sort of? I think I am still correct about the link between Dawnchant and the Parshendi language, but I don't think they are speaking Dawnchant so much as a derivative language. I have no idea what the Dawnshards are though anymore. Something that is probably different from Soulcasters or the Honorblades.

To the tune of "Shiny" from Moana

Well you see Rashek didn't use to have this bod
I used to be a mad little pack man
But then I gained the powers of a god
Now I'm divinity, baby
Did the Surivor say, "He is just a man"?
"He has faults, we can beat him"?
I just need three words to prove to you you can't
Your Keslier died

Oh I'm the Lord Ruler
I use Allomancy like I am a boss
And you're a hoss next to the Lord Ruler
I wear bracelets just to show off all my skills
Give you a toss, don't you know?
Skaa are dumb, dumb, dumb
They think that I'm not dominant, dumb peasents
Oh, and here they come, come, come
To stab the only thing that's dominant
Look dead peasents.

I'd like a challenge
Is this all you could manage?

Well, well, well
Little Mistborn's having trouble with my priest
You little urchin vermin gutter trash
Ouch! What a terrible performance
Get a spike! (For her)
At least your mentor did some damage, girl

Yet I have to give you credit for your try
Even if you are dumber than Kelsier
And now I can give a new Inquistor atium
Don't try to run, you see

I'm the Lord Ruler!
You'll never how much worse off you could be
And you wont's see, because I'm the Lord Ruler
Send your rabble but they could not ever hinder me
I'd kill endlessly, Mistborn girl
You could try, try, try
But you can't expect a gutter trash
To beat an Ascendant (look it up)
You will die, die, die
Now it's time for me to take apart
Your aching heart

Far from a challenge
I've found you quite boring
You've upset the priesthood
With this little House Warring
You've fought hard to win
But you're just a dirty urchin, Vin

Mistborn! Do you you feel ever so forlorn?
I'm not someone I am the Lord Ruler

Just give up because if manage to kill me
Then you'll see , why I'm the Lord Ruler
I've protected you for more than ten centuries 
And you'll agree

You could never be the Lord Ruler
You'll probably miss the Lord Ruler!
 

6 minutes ago, MountainKing said:

But don't forget they are close enough to have fertile offspring,(horneaters, herdazians, and other unknown groups.

I didn't, I just think that wasn't a cross breeding program so much as some Shard higgery pokery. Also maybe mateform is pretty versatile?

3 hours ago, WhiteLeeopard said:

I like the theory. My main question is what Honor and Cultivation did during all this time and why. They seem to be the original Singer gods, so why end up siding with humanity, which then made the Singers turn to Odium? I assume that trapping Odium in Braize also happened around this time period, but why leave the Singers to their luck?

I honestly have no idea so I didn't bother speculating. I don't think they were Singer gods, though. Singers seemed tied closer to the spren, like the Rider of Storms and whatever Nightwatcher was before she became the Nightwatcher. The only thing I have is that the vessels for Honor and Cultivation were once human, so maybe they just sided with their own kind?

3 hours ago, Belzedar said:

I love this theory.

To add to it, I'd conjecture that invested diseases might be very adept at crossing over to different species, like from human to singer. And the singers, who evolved on diseaseless Roshar, would be ill-equipped to fight off infections. Maybe the First Desolation wasn't a war at all, but an outbreak of Ashynian diseases spreading across singer-occupied Roshar, devastating the population. That should even the odds when the humans start expanding.

Because obviously this story doesn't have enough uncomfortable historical parallels.

The only problem I have there is that Roshar life and Ashyn life is so radically different. It would be like a disease jumping from humans to lobsters. I mean, Singers have orange blood. I have no idea what that signifies biologically, but it probably indicates enough of a difference that Singers can't catch human diseases. The Ashyn pathogens would also be having to fight the Investiture that made the humans too healthy to infect, so... eh. It's an interesting idea, but I don't think that was a major factor. Keep in mind too that there was apparently a period where both cultures existed peacefully. Ash and Hoid both mention dancing with Singers at functions.

Hello everyone. While talking with some other people recently, I hit on an idea that I think explains humanity's success in their first attack against the Singers. To set the stage, humanity at this point is living in Shinovar, does not have Surgebinding, and is probably less populous than the Singers. How is humanity so successful then, that the Singers feel the need to ally with Odium and create the Fused to fight back? Where does this power that allowed the initial conflicts go? I believe that the answer to both questions is that humanity still had access to Surges... from the diseases of Ashyn.

1) Ashyn's Investiture accesses Surges, and is disease based.

This point is the keystone of the whole theory, so first let's look at some WoBs.

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Questioner

So I was reading that one of the worlds, I think it was Yolen, is going to be a disease oriented magic?

Brandon Sanderson

It's not Yolen, it's Ashyn...

Questioner

How does that work?

Brandon Sanderson

Viruses and bacteria, various strains of them, have evolved in-line with the investiture on the planet to grant you a magical ability when you catch the disease, because they want you to stay alive long enough to--

Questioner

To transmit it.

Brandon Sanderson

--o transmit it. So it becomes part of the transmission vector. So you have superpowers or whatever-- You can fly as long as you have the common cold, but when you get over it, you can't anymore.

source

This WoB vaguely details the mechanics of Ashyn's Investiture. Ashyn's powers are accessed when you grow ill, and they go away when you get better. Additionally we have this WoB.

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Shardbound [PENDING REVIEW]

Were the Surges used by humans, the ones that destroyed their previous home, the same as the ones that the Radiants are using.

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

Yes, same basic principles. Magic system slightly different. Same basic principles.

source

These two things together imply that catching a disease let you access the Surges, in slightly different forms than Radiants currently can. I think we can make a safe assumption that anyone with these diseases is going to be capable of similar feats to those we've see from our Radiants. This brings us to point number two.

2) The Surges allowed humanity the ability to expand aggressively

So when humanity arrived on Roshar from Ashyn, they might have had some of these diseases among their population. Humans stayed in Shinovar long enough for some sembalance of peace to exist between Singer and human. However, at some point humanity aggressively expanded, to the point that every major Singer city was captured. Every Dawncity is likely a former Singer capital. How did humanity do this? The Elia Steele gives us a hint:

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“ ‘They came from another world,’ ” Navani said, reading from her sheet. “ ‘Using powers that we have been forbidden to touch. Dangerous powers, of spren and Surges. They destroyed their lands and have come to us begging.

Sanderson, Brandon. Oathbringer: Book Three of the Stormlight Archive (p. 1043). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. 

So humanity was using Surges. The problem with this is that the nahel bond could not have existed at this point. The nahel bond mimics the Honorblades, and the Honorblades did not come into existence until the Fused came into existence, which had to have been after this initial aggressive expansion. So how was humanity using the Surges? The diseases of Ashyn. Where did these diseases go, then? Well... 

3) The extra Investiture from repeated exposure to Stormlight made humanity too disease resistant

Humans expanded aggressively, and then settled in Singer territories, probably very confident in their ability to hold on to their gains. Of course we know that they didn't, so what changed? Humans began to become Invested by the background Investiture of the storms. Every so often, humanity gets bombarded by large amounts of free floating Investiture. Unlike any native life form on Roshar, it has no way to express itself, so in the case of humans it just makes humanity as a whole healthier, and more resistant to disease. This WoB seems to back up this theory: 

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stormfather (paraphrased)

Does the plague on the Purelake has anything to do with the fact that the magic fish form symbiotic bonds with spren?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

No, worldhoppers brought a disease to Roshar that they didn't have before. It's the common cold. Rosharans' Investiture makes it so they're usually a healthy bunch so something like the cold is kind of frightening. "It's a plague of the sniffles."

stormfather [Alternate wording from ZenBossanova's report] (paraphrased)

Another person asked about the plague in the Purelake.

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Turns out, that was a pathogen introduced by worldhoppers. People on Roshar normally have greater health than elsewhere in the cosmere because they are more invested (stormlight and all that). This plague was what we call… the common cold.

source

So humanity becomes more disease resistant, the Ashyn diseases start dying off. This leads us to the Second Desolation. Somehow, the Singer have recovered their numbers, and in addition have made a bargain with Odium to create the Fused, the Regals, and access Surges. This puts humanity on the defensive, and requires the Oathpact and eventually the Radiants to give humanity relatively even footing. 

Conclusion:

I think I've made a pretty good argument for the timeline of the first two conflicts between humanity and the Singers. I've left out any mention of Urithuru,  because I don't know how it fits in yet. I am also not really sure how the Girl Who Looked Up fits in, unless she somehow allowed stormlight to inundate the Shinovar region like it does the rest of the world. Anyway, would like to hear people's thoughts.

9 minutes ago, digitalbusker said:

Something @Isilel said over in the Nale's Story Arc thread--about Nale not being able to kill Gavilar directly (assuming that's a thing he wanted to do) because there's no way he could get local legal permission to do that--got me thinking.

Are there so many Radiant Kholins because the Alethi legal system couldn't generate a document that would allow their execution without alerting somebody whose last name is Kholin?

Renarin was hiding his abilities, Dalinar just became one at the end of Words of Radiance, Gavilar doesn't seem to have completed a bond, and Jasnah is pretty good at misdirection. I think by the time Nale would have turned his eyes towards the Kholins, he had other things to worry about.

15 hours ago, Willow said:

But if Nale is a 5th ideal Knight Radiant, wouldn't his eyes be permanently light grey? At least I believe one common theory now is that the more oaths a Surgebinder says, the longer his eyes stay light. Kaladin is at three ideals, and his eyes stay light for several hours after he last summoned his shardblade. 

Well for one, the WoB quoted seems to indicate that the length of time with eye color changes is dependent on repeated Stormlight usage, not anything really related to the ideals. I think we assume that most Radiants make it to five, but that may not be the case. Secondly, I'm not sure Nale or the other Heralds can actually change like that. They aren't just humans anymore, they are Cognitive Shadows with a Physical aspect. They are closer to Returned than they are to normal people, and I imagine the rules are very different for them than for other people. 

11 hours ago, Govir said:

I'm a bit behind in the thread, but I'll concede this point. I forgot about Adolin's view of the events of the Rift. It will hit him harder than I originally thought, but I don't think it'll hit him as hard as you want it to. I still argue that Dalinar did not murder Evi (see spoiler below). Additionally, Dalinar *did* try to let people out of the Rift, but Sadeas had already set fire to the lower exit. So yes, Adolin learning the truth of the events at the Rift will be a heavy blow (because it shakes his view of his father and probably his view of Sadeas). But Evi's death specifically won't be the biggest part of it.

 

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If Dalinar murdered Evi, then did Wax murder Lessie? In both cases, actions taken killed each character. But I wouldn't call either of them murder.

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Disregarding the events of Shadows of Self and Bands of Mourning...in which "Lessie" didn't actually die.

 

So yeah, from the man himself:

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“I did kill the people of Rathalas,” Dalinar shouted. “You might have been there, but I made the choice. I decided!” He stilled. “I killed her. It hurts so much, but I did it. I accept that. You cannot have her. You cannot take her from me again.”

Sanderson, Brandon. Oathbringer: Book Three of the Stormlight Archive (pp. 1134-1135). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. 

Dalinar killed Evi. Whether he meant to is irrelevant. It's not murder, but he killed her and he as to live with that

51 minutes ago, maxal said:

Once upon a time, there were discussions wanting Adolin to be an anger prone young man. Those thoughts were fueled by Adolin starting WoK by downright hating Sadeas for no apparent reason. If Sadeas was seen to sometimes talk badly about his father, Adolin's anger seems disproportionate. It made some readers argue he was easily angered and, as such, he could become a vessel for Odium.

I thought OB brought in new elements to the table... This scene where Adolin recalls how his mother died: he wasn't fine with it. There was sorrow in his voice, but there was something else... an anger. Rebels murdered his mother and, in retribution, Sadeas destroyed an entire town: an act so vile the real culprit, Dalinar, was kept away from the battlefields. Imagine the mix of emotions: on one side he believes the Rift murdered Evi, but on the other side he cannot accept the subsequent action from his own side. It was obvious to me Adolin blamed Sadeas and found a way to explain why his glorious father couldn't prevent it from happening.

Thus, it may very well be Adolin hated Sadeas since the Rift, he hates him for what he did to a town filled with innocent people. It may be why he is so fine with killing Sadeas: this man was so vile he didn't deserve to live.

The truth however is so much more cruel... Dalinar ordered the Rift to be burned. Evi, kind Evi, tried to stop him but failed, so she ran to the enemy to warn them, to find a way for them to further negotiate likely hoping her being captive would force her husband to reconsider. Tanalan send messengers: Dalinar killed them without hearing them. He never knew they were the bearers of the news his wife was a prisoner until it was too late to stop the brazier. And Sadeas? He obeyed the orders, cruelly, but he obeyed the orders. Dalinar insisted there were to be NO way out. It was his call, his decision.

So how is Adolin supposed to react when he found out Dalinar is the one who torched the Rift? How is he supposed to react upon finding out his mother was not killed by rebels, but died trying to protect a town filled with civilians? Dalinar may not have held the knife to Evi's throat, but she died because of him, she died because of what he planned to do. He may not mean to kill her, but he meant to kill every living soul in Rathalas. If Evi died, then Dalinar has no one else to blame but himself. The examples you listed were entirely different: it was a mistake and bad luck. Evi dying was not bad luck: it was an event which happened entirely because of Dalinar, because of what he planned to do and because what he did. It was no accident.

I do think finding out Evi died to protect the Rift should create an impact on Adolin's character. He thinks she was the collateral victim of a war, a victim of rebels when in truth she died to do what he has excused his father for not doing: she died for the people of Rathalas. This duality is absolutely fascinating and interesting: Adolin son of the Blackthorn, raised to be a soldier, terrifying killing machine, but also son of the kindest, bravest woman who gave her life to stop a war.

If Brandon is a clever writer, then he'll make one of Adolin's moments be one where he has to decide: violent retribution or protect the innocents, the forgotten... Be the Blackthorn or be... Evi.

I think that making Adolin's arc choosing which legacy to follow would be just... boring. We've seen that before in fantasy a lot, and I think it degrades his character. The interesting thing to me about Adolin isn't that he's like his father, it's that he's like his UNCLE. Gavilar was a good duelist, charismatic, had some self control issues but grew out of them... honestly, Adolin seems to b e following in a lot of Gavilar's footsteps except Adolin came to the Codes and honor a lot earlier in his life than Gavilar. I think Adolin is less an exploration of his parents legacy and more an exploration of what kind of person Gavilar could have been.

<Vasher singing>
Shashara
Do you want to make a Shardblade?
We can do it after meals
VaraTreledess is worried too
But I've got a plan for you
You could be better than Yeseteel!
You used to be the best Scholar
And now you're not
I wish you'd get back to work!
Do you want to make a Shardblade?
It doesn't have to be a Shardblade?

<Shashara>
Go away!

<Vasher>
Don't be a jerk...

Do you want to make a Shardblade?
Or make another trip to Roshar
I've made these statues too
They've got bones and glue
I think that the'll go far!
(Calling them Phantoms!)
I've been kind of boring
While I win this war
Just watching the Lifeless fall!
(One, two, three four, five, six, seven!)

<Nightblood>
Hey Vasher I know you're out there
It's boring in this sheath
Shashara said I'm like a man
And I have a plan, just listen to it please?
We only have each other
It's just you and me
What are we gonna do?
Do you want to draw a Shardblade?

... I'll just be over here, hanging my head in shame.

26 minutes ago, MonsterMetroid said:

I was actually thinking about this the other day and I'm not sure if a shardblade could hurt a mistborn if they were burning the right metals. If they were burning aluminum or perhaps even pewter the investiture in their bodies might deflect a blade not sure though.

But over all We have had much deeper access to the mistborn power set in both cosmere novels and in additional materials. This has helped us establish a ruleset to live by in mistborn. Eventually the same will be true with SA and teasing out the rules is what excites me because I know there are hints here and there of the relationships and of things to come.

For example before era 2 we knew a lot less about compounding and many feruchemical powers but many of those mysteries have been solved with enough new mysteries that it is still interesting. Now with those additional rules it becomes obvious why the LR was so powerful.

So I'm not sure If i would say one is superior to the other... they are just different and have different parts that need to to still be revealed. 

No amount of burning is going to stop a Shardblade from cutting through a person. You'd need to be like...I don't even know. Beyond Returned levels of Invested. Maybe a twinborn could manage it, but a normal Allomancer, I find it on the far side of remote.

Pretty sure it's the same painting myself. Lightsong didn't have it destroyed, and after his death who knows what would have happened to it.

I'd buy it. Sibling seems vital to making Urithuru livable, which would explain the "Lifebrother" title. Have an upvote

So this might be relevant. 

It's a mystery. Telrii is dead and buried. There is no possible way it's him. I would also wager the gentlemen with the birthmark died in the inferno of the Rift.

7 hours ago, hoiditthroughthegrapevine said:

@Vortaan your rendition of Odium's Your Welcome (which is beyond masterful) inspired me to do my first bit of 17th shard derivative fan art. Here is the opening scene of your song:

If you look closely you will see that a crab-lizard thing is enjoying Odium's song too. Hmmm, wonder who else could be listening to this jaunty little number?

My real objective for posting this is so that you can get over 100 upvotes for you song, because it totally deserves it. If anyone looking at this hasn't already upvoted Vortaan's song, you should really do so right now.

Thanks! I like the little crab thing. Odium looks just sleezy enough too. 10/10, have an upvote sir

16 hours ago, RShara said:

The Skybreakers travel quite a bit, right?  So none of them have been in Tukim in the last few decades, to see first hand what the guy is doing there?

Knowing that the God-King of Tukim is nuts is a separate thing from knowing Ishar is nuts. Nale seems to be keeping a lot of secrets from his Radiants, I would not be surprised if that was one of them. In fact the story of his betrayal of Taln and the fact that the other Heralds are still on Roshar is "one of the two greatest secrets I know"