Extesian

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From Edgedancer I'd say you're right

For feruchemical or hemalurgical purposes, that's the only sensible option. It could be to save some to make someone else a misting later as well, but that's less likely

The Long Trail. It’s speculated on a bit in the past, so not all these ideas are mine, but I want to bring together what we know, propose the possible history of the Iriali and open it up to comments. For background, the Iriali are a group of people from Iri, on Roshar. Iri was one of the Silver Kingdoms, though part of it split off. Iriali are distinctive for having golden hair, yellow eyes and a yellow tinge to their skin. Ym was Iriali, and talked about the religion of One as well as the Long Trail. One was God, and knew everything but experienced nothing, so split itself apart into different life to experience everything. When all becomes One again, One will absorb these experiences essentially. As for the Long Trail, Roshar is the fourth land the Iriali have been in, and when they get to the seventh, all will become One again. So the relevant speculation is what were the first three lands they were in. Braize was not one While it is far from a reliable way to do it, I’ve tried looking at people with yellow or golden hair in the Cosmere. Yes, I’m aware that golden hair shouldn’t be unusual, Earth humans have it. But it’s a start. The main ones I could find were: Taldain - Kenton has golden blonde hair and a slightly tan, to brown complexion, as a result of his half-Darksider heritage. Kenton's eyes are naturally blue. However, when he uses the full might of his sand mastery powers, his eyes glow with a golden light and his pupils seem to contract or disappear, leaving only the white of his irises (from the Coppermind). Sel - The Patriarch from Elantris, and Ashravan from TheEmperor’s Soul, both have golden hair. Nalthis – This is the obvious one. The Royals’ hair goes yellow when they are happy or excited. Additionally, Lightsong’s niece had golden hair before she died. And when Vasher manifests his divine breath, appearing Returned, he has golden hair. And yes, Returned and Royals’ can change their hair color. But golden seems to be, hmmm, the natural color? The only person I could find in Mistborn 1 that has golden hair was Allriane. I think Nalthis is the strongest connection, especially in light of this WoB So let’s (tentatively) lock in Nalthis. Basic idea would be that the Iriali emigrated there, and were possibly the shipmates of Vo, the first Returned, who established Hellandran. For more possible support for Nalthis, Cuseiach the Protector is in Iri and some of the Iriali worship it by putting down golden petals as an offering. Sound familiar? Tears of Edgli perhaps? Of those stories, Nalthis was the most recent in Cosmere chronology. So which one before that? I feel Sel is stretching the link. But let’s put it as a doorstop for now and go back one step, to Taldain. Kenton, a sandmaster, had golden hair. But significantly, it seems his eyes would glow gold when fully using kinetic investiture. This could make a lot of sense for the descendants of sandmasters to have yellow eyes on Roshar. Eyes seem to be a window to the soul there more than in other places, so perhaps it got to the point where that color became permanent in offspring of sandmasters using investiture. To the connection that I feel makes Taldain the strongest – the tie-in of the religion of One, and Bavadin. We know from plenty of WoBs (I’ll put them in if it becomes important) that Bavadin, holder of the Autonomy Shard, masquerades as various gods and hijacks existing religions. Bavadin is worshipped as both a man and a woman, and in some pantheons is every god in the religion. Sound familiar? “The One, who is both male and female, did so to experience all things”. This could explain why the holder of a Shard of Autonomy masquerades as a religious figure. She knows everything, but her Intent of Autonomy drives her to experience things through the autonomy of individuality. Perhaps One is Autonomy. Given the doubt with Sel, this leaves two options if I’m correct. The three preceding lands were Taldain, Sel and Nalthis, or they were Yolen, Taldain and Nalthis. Of course other options are Threnody (but it’s not a Shardworld),Scadrial (could be? I’ve seen nothing for it but nothing against it), Ashyn (possibly, with the proposed link to the Tranquiline Halls – but again, nothing to go on). Of course Yolen is an obvious option, people could have left en masse to escape fain life. However, if Yolen is, I’d say it rules out the Bavadin = One option, and makes it much more likely that Adonalsium = One. That has some merit for it as well, with Adonalsium splitting into component parts. I prefer the Bavadin idea, but Adonalsium is a sensible possibility. I feel pretty confident about Nalthis, and semi-confident about Taldain. The remaining one is up in the air. Here finally are a couple of WoBs to add to the mix, for linguistic/family tree types. So, happy to hear thoughts on why Nalthis and Taldain make sense, and speculation on whether Sel, Yolen or somewhere else is the remaining one of the three so far. But the moral is I think the Iriali were on Nalthis, I think they were on Taldain, I think that perhaps Bavadin is One. Over to you

Hmm I consider myself pretty good at finding WoBs, and I've searched for everything I can think of for this, but no confirmation. There's been very general confirmation that Cosmere worlds colliding will be in Mistborn era 4, and not before that, but the closest I could find to what you're suggesting is this You may be conflating in your own mind that one with the general noise around magic systems clashing in era 4? Of course I'm not perfect at WoB hunting though, I'm not Weiry or Pagerunner, so you may yet be right! As a general response to the discussion going on, I think Brandon's been reasonably clear that Stormlight is supposed to be capable of being standalone, with hints of the Cosmere. There's no way, I think, that a battle of interplanetary magics can go on in that context. Era 4 is where it's supposed to come to a head. Possibly other series. But not Stormlight. But of course, for Cosmere watchers there'll be heaps of epic hints that show us what is going on in the Cosmere during those years. Era 4 will have Scadrians and Aimians at the very minimum so we know things will go down then...

@Kered @FiveLate @nervousnerd you weren't supposed to Brandon was shocked @Oversleep got it though that was after a lot of speculation for years.

Unless there's a specific one for Discord, its this book signing BRANDON SANDERSON He wrote: “Harmony could go by another name, if he was not as good at controlling both of the Shards.”

I think the most beautiful fictional religion is that of Ym. For those who don't remember it "He believes, long ago, there was only one being which he simply calls One. One knew everything but had experienced nothing. And so One became Many in order to experience all things. As each experience is different, it brings completeness to One. Eventually, all will be gathered back in when the sum of land is attained and they will once again become One. Every person is a different mind of a single being experiencing different lives. As Many, they need ignorance. Each fragment of the One’s mind has its own body with different passions and inclinations. They exist in variety to experience all kinds of thought. That means some people must know and others must not. Just like some people must be rich and others poor. This is why he is interested in collecting other people's experiences."

My hesitation is this And this It sounds like Odium doesn't work like that. Can't rule out it being done through the Unmade. But as it changed over time I don't feel it could be through a spren with the right hole. Good analysis though.

I narratively agree. Call it simple, but I think this is the end of book 5 "Two blind men waited at the end of an era, contemplating beauty. They sat atop the world's highest cliff, overlooking the land and seeing nothing."

Given Fleet was famed for beating Chana in a race, look for someone with hints of unnatural speed or anything dustbringery

Here's an interesting one to throw into the mix

"It's not my place to ask. I believe in something greater than myself. A better world. A world without sin...I'm not going to live there... There's no place for me there, any more than there is for you. Malcolm, I'm a monster. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done."

really does remind me of Trell/Nalt. Not that I think there's a connection, it's a classic worship system.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet I believe

I resisted it @maxal but it's quite good. Totally fine just to type, that's the norm. I prefer the forum but some great discussions take place

Begone stonewalker! Besides, you ain't got no hands, kolo?

It's pushing the bounds of etiquette on this site so it's probably good if most people don't get it

I know, your wording was specific and I agree with the reasoning. Just wanted to provide the WoB for anyone who doesn't know

I suspect Shallan won't choose to have it, but no real basis for that

I've always thought of the combined Shard as S&M

It is she also authors the Ars Arcanum Edit - if you're not aware Khrriss does make another indirect appearance, there's a broadsheet ad asking about weapons that talk and to contact K and N (Khriss and Nazh)

Tell me your delicious lies

Here you go

@Ciridae I really like your idea of the realmatics of Parshendi transformation. The way I see it, the question as it relates to the normal symbiotic bonds of Roshar is this – is a Parshendi bond with a spren more like the symbiotic bond that is natural to Roshar, or more like the fabrial bond in which a spren is trapped so the imprisoner can use the spren’s powers for themselves. We know that ‘normal’ Roshar bonds are symbiotic, ie the spren does it voluntarily because it is getting something in return. So my instinct is that Parshendi bonds are not of the fabrial-type, where the Parshendi trap the spren, but is of the natural Roshar type, where it’s symbiotic and, just like with soulcasting, the spren needs investiture that only the fauna can provide. As for your idea on realmatics, I personally think that a symbiotic bond with a non-sapient spren does not bind the two creatures in the spiritual realm. I think it’s confined to the physical and cognitive realms, where the spren gives the fauna a direct physical realm benefit in exchange for stormlight (which benefits spren in the cognitive realm…somehow (but we see it with soulcasting). I think a Nahel bond is different, that is where the spren has to fill an existing gap in the spiritweb and widen it, to enable the person to directly employ the relevant surges. But I think with chasmfiends and parshendi, it’s more limited. All of that, of course, is speculation based on my general ideas about Rosharan realmatics. Feel free to pick apart. I acknowledge you definitely could be right, and I don’t think there’s anything definitive yet. And on a separate note, here is a useful WoB about the chasmfiends, their gemhearts, their spren and their ability/need to absorb stormlight.