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I still think Sadeas. He was the hero of the night and was closest to Gavilar's plans (of the people who were conscious)

"I'm not dead!" - Kelsier "There's a difference between mostly dead and all dead" - Brandon Sanderson "You keep using that word dead. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Every Sanderfan ever

One for the Monty Python fans

Isn't the point that the shades of the Radiants are Cognitive Shadows that fight in the Physical Realm of Braize? I'm not sure why anyone would know about that from the Cognitive Realm of Roshar. I'm not saying I'm sold on this, but just that these objections to noone knowing sure sure wouldn't apply without someone really getting to know Braize, which sounds like a dangerous prospect.

Here’s some of mine J Side-character PoVs A Mrall PoV from when Taravangian has an unintelligent day Iyatil PoV when meeting Veil for the first time ANY Ishar PoV Arclo PoV for the time leading up to him meeting Lift The Stormfather’s PoV when Syl ‘dies’ Semi-main character PoVs Amaram PoV from when he takes the Shardblade (for those who forget in their hatred of him, he did in fact offer it first, I want to know his thoughts at that moment) Navani PoV flashback to Kholinar Main character PoVs Adolin PoV for the arena scene Renarin PoV for the highstorm where Dalinar has his first on-screen vision AN ENTIRE BOOK FROM PATTERN’S POV

Mhm @Oversleep I don’t think there’s a real suggestion that a Herald rewrote the magic system. The magic system is based on Honor. Honor is (probably) based on basically doing what you’ll say you’ll do, at the very least. I think Ishar basically got the spren and the Radiants (or one, doesn’t really matter) to agree to be bound, and that agreement was then magically enforced. This is also consistent with the spren referring to prohibitions on giving proto-Radiants too much information (e.g. just telling them the Oaths, or telling them they can be a Shardblade). It’s not changing the system. It’s creating binding oaths within the system. Nale says that without Honor around to regulate the Oaths, men could discover the greater power of them. Whether or not he’s right, maybe this is evidence for this form of magically enforced bond. Tanavast was able to actually enforce the agreement pushed by Ishar. The worry is that now Tanavast is gone, and no intelligence is controlling Honor, those Oaths are no longer magically enforced. On this one, I’ve got @Pagerunner's back. It may be wrong but I think it’s far more plausible than some are suggesting. Edit - one addition though. I don't agree necessarily that just saying the 5 oaths is what makes a Radiant a Cognitive Shadow after death. I don't believe the bond stays with the Radiant, I don't think it matters. I think it's a simple matter of how much kinetic investiture they use. A full Radiant doing their thing for years will be so invested, not from the bond, but from the kinetic investiture flowing through them, that, possibly combined with some additional mechanism that then prevents them from going to the Beyond, they become Cognitive Shadows.

It may not be that simple. There's a method to splintering a Shard, it's not just raw power (though enough raw power may do it I guess.

No worries @jofwu. I've never done wiki stuff before. That last point was only that we don't know whether he was calling the Nightwatcher or Cultivation Mother, but yeah I missed the point

Yeah I figured, that's sound reasoning, that's why i wanted to move my answer here On the other post just go to the bottom, click options and hide, I think

I'm not sure if you saw my response to your same post on the Oathbringer sub forum but I'll post it here in case. You should hide one of your posts rather than having two going We do but it's a spoiler for Oathbringer from the prologue. Oathbringer spoiler Szeth's oathstone did not magically bind him (I can't find the WoB right now), he just bound himself by his misguided sense of honor. He had I think 10 owners or so but we weren't told quite a few. At the end of WoR he is revived with a healing fabrial and appears in Edgedancer. Edit - sorry about weird formatting, didn't quite copy over properly

When this is a visual representation of the way you treat WoBs Edit - Totally thought this was the You Know You're a Sanderfan When thread. If I could memify it I would

Uuuurrrrrggghhhh. No matter how often I burn gold, there is never a version of me that could have liked Civil Procedure. Soooooooooo. Booooooring. You are a braver wo(man)(?) than I.

Nice write-up as always @Pagerunner. This is essentially what I was trying to do in my previous, (inelegant theory) on this stuff – to flesh out Feather’s original idea. The reason my ‘theory’ turned so weird was that there were a few things I struggled to reconcile, and got caught up on them, and tried to do a realmatic explanation. Mine also mainly relied on WoBs, whereas yours mainly relies on textual references. So all in all, far better job than I did, very elegant. Main questions for me are: Reconciling Desolations being caused by the existence of the Heralds on Roshar. Realmatically, and with respect to your theory, how does that fit in? Nale’s statement that Sure, he’s mad and Ishar was wrong (it seems), but I still figure Nale must have enough sound realmatic knowledge for there to be some truth in that explanation. If so, any idea how to reconcile that or at least explain that? A big issue for me is the Recreance. I could well be wrong, and many others have suggested that being forced to fight on Braize as Cognitive Shadows is the reason for it, but I can’t believe it. I can’t believe that every last Radiant would be so cowardly as to break their oaths and condemn their spren to eternal agony just out of fear for their own suffering. For me, the explanation must be that it was better for Roshar that they are no longer Radiants, not that it is better for them. More than that, if they already have said the 5 oaths and are sufficiently invested, why would breaking their oaths stop that destiny? With a couple of these questions it's really just me wanting to understand why and how Heralds come to Roshar and Radiants go to Braize. But those questions notwithstanding (and they may be outside the scope of what you’ve done – if I’d left them outside the scope I may have had a workable theory!), I agree with almost everything you’ve said, including several new things I hadn’t considered before. Your reading of the first ideal is intriguing and I’m quite fond of it. I like your mention of Fleet and your explanation of bonding sentient splinters. I like your scene-setting with in-world references. I agree with you on glyphwards. All good food for thought. Cheers.

Close enough to the Shashara for me to like it she's very cute mate, I'm glad for you guys!

I was wondering why the day's activity was down. Congrats!! Are you calling it Caldogris? Kadasix of Canines? Brandon Puppyson? Peter Ahldog? Puppynalsium? The Dog Who Just Wants To Survive? Hoid? Grrrrs of Radiance? The AonDog? Dai'doganath? The Doggie of Ages? The Everpuppy? Midnight Canessence? Loki the Trickster Dog? The Lord Grruler? Puppy'Elin, Herald of Cute? Lightbone? Hoid?

Avoid the filth and wash regularly. Or embrace the filth and never wash again. I tend to choose the latter.

Where dis at yo I was enjoying this thread so hope you don't mind bugging you @Silverblade5. Is @bleeder up? For the record, my next vote is for @Yata

And that's just their personalities. Throw in Awakening and Healing and you got some deeply controversial things going on, things that I'll shall not utter here

They troll each other all the time. Most recent one was this "...Also, recently, someone showed up with one for me that Rothfuss had signed first. They'd made the mistake of mentioning they were bringing it to me next, so Pat signed it in ENORMOUS letters, then left one little corner with an arrow labeled, "Sanderson Signs Here."" Source edit- and just today he posted this on reddit

It appears that on Sel even the land is invested. remaking the planet may be harder than normal. I suspect if it did happen though, the Dor would simply adjust to the new reality. The chasm didn't break the system, all it required was an extra line for that Aon.

Hoid can suppress methods of finding investiture Without him shining out as a highly invested individual Odium would have no way to find him I'd say.

Yep, though note the term 'mostly'

Chapter 3 Edgedancer Regarding touching, not Stormlight of course My further comments I'm not certain of this, that's a common in-world view, but based on this, I feel like the Nightwatcher at least sometimes attempts to give the person what they ask for. This seems to be uncertain (unless there's a later WoB)

It has been RAFOd My belief is that Nightblood doesn't retain the investiture, or at least not fully. It's referred to as food for him. The smoke he gives off is a type of corrupted investiture. I suspect he uses investiture to fuel his power and converts it as a waste product, like we do with actual food. So I suspect he doesn't get more powerful coz the investiture is used. But that could certainly be wrong, he's always seemed far too overpowered for 1000 breaths. Question is whether he's more powerful now than when he was created and used in the Manywar. We don't know but I have my doubts

Ooh I hit my 1500 posts. Third 500 took much longer than the second 500. In other news I'm the single coolest sounding thing in the Cosmere, but in fact I'm just a soft, black, toothy, shiny jerk. I'm basically my cat