StrikerEZ
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I'm too tired. That second sentence should've said that I will revise my opinion if one of you flips village. Because I'm worrying that I'm being too harsh? I dunno
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Okay, let me try to say what I meant. I am confident about you guys being elims together, but will obviously be willing to revise that opinion if one of you flips elim. And the other part I was trying to say was that I am not...what's the word...blinded? by my confidence to assume that just because one of you is an elim that means that I'm completely right. I am definitely overselling my points right now, because I tend to be too wishy washy and I think that pushing people like this gets discussions going. But I do worry that I'm not right. I just think it's more fun to act like I am and see what people think and how they respond and see what happens when certain people flip certain ways.
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I am suspicious of you because of our PM as well. That just felt like less valid reasoning to me. Anyone can say that they're suspicious of someone because of something in a PM. I was hoping to rely on more concrete evidence than that. Though, the odd vibes I got from our PM (especially considering the fact that you just...stopped responding once it was clear that I wasn't changing my mind about Mat) led me to look into you more. I don't think that negates my point. Illwei could've voted on Dannex as a way to setup a potential counter-shrek for later. I don't think Illwei is the kind of player to defend her teammates super hard or anything, so I think she would've planted seeds for a later possibility. When Ash came on to vote Dannex, she used that momentum to get Dannex exed. I am sorry about outing you to the thread, but I felt it was relevant and important enough to let people know. I'm not so set in my current reads that I'll blindly follow them if you (or Mat or Quinn) flip village. I will reassess if/when that happens. And if/when you flip elim, I will not blindly shrek them either at that point.
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I don't see how this affects my point. I missed her apparently hard-claiming non-rithmatist, but that makes me even more concerned since she claimed in a group PM I was in that she has a Specialization. Why would she lie about that? Because it's easy to forget that the assumptions you've reached with your team are assumptions that a villager couldn't reach on their own. It's a fair assumption to think that there wouldn't be players starting with Specializations from the books already in the supply...if you knew there were people who started off with Specializations that weren't already in the supply. It's not that I suspect them because they defended you and I think you're an elim. I suspect them for their role in the defense for you and the counterlynch on Dannex. And no one can check that you actually did. Handy, isn't that? Anyway, I completely understand if others agree with Mat over me. This is...a lot, but it makes sense to me.
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Okay, so, evidence against Illwei (to be fair, this hangs on a few key assumptions, so if you disagree, this won't work for you). Mat's getting close to dying. It's the last few hours of the cycle, and there hasn't been a whole lot of talk about shrekking anyone besides Gears, and that was mostly joke votes. Illwei (and to a lesser extent Quinn) start shifting the vote off of Mat and towards Dannex as more people come on and are unsure of the Mat shrek. There's weirdness about Illwei with regards to her thinking that it'd be suspicious to go for the Vigor book while going for it herself as well. Now, here's the crazy part: I think Mat, Quinn, and Illwei are elims. Quinn said she thought that there wouldn't be any players who started off with Specializations that were from books that started off in the camp supply. Why would she think that? Because the elims have at least two players with Specializations to start off. Illwei started off with a Specialization (ask any of Burnt, Stink, TJ, or Kas), and wanted to get the Vigor Specialization, so we know she didn't start with that one. Now, obviously this all falls apart if Quinn and/or Illwei aren't elims, but I think it works. I'm honestly less confident about Mat being an elim, but think it's worth pointing out their defense of him in case one or both of them flip elim. As for Mat's acid bucket? If he's an elim like I still believe him to be, then it would make a lot of sense to claim that to try and get pressure off of him. I wouldn't be surprised if an elim teammate of his (or maybe Mat himself) used a Line of Warding to cover Mat's trail with the acid claim. The lantern holders don't know who did what, just what the defense level was.
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?? I’ve been suspicious of Illwei since the end of D1.
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Okay, so, @Ashbringer @STINK why are you guys voting on Illwei? I agree that she’s probably an elim (I feel more strongly about her than Mat), but I’m curious what happened to convince you two of her guilt.
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Mist has been using RNG for everything this game so far. So...I doubt they’re the thief or anything like that.
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I’m pretty sure rollover is at 8 pm CST now. Like for the rest of the game.
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@Illwei Just want to say that I loved all the different ways you spelled your name. Also, I’m not sure what happened with Books. I thought they told me they were going for Revocation. Maybe I missed them changing their mind. Also, I’m going to give a mild elim/thief read to Mist and Archer. In my opinion, the people wanting bribes the most are going to be one of those two players. Now, you might ask “But Striker! What about Ash losing his chalk but it not showing up in the camp supply?” Well, we already know that certain players have started off with Specializations. Is it so crazy to believe that someone started off with a Specialization in Revocation?
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If Mat had used the bucket of acid, wouldn’t we only be at 1 for the strength of the chalklings right now? @Sart If someone uses an item that affects the strength of the chalklings, is that shown in the writeup?
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Well...I’m a bit annoyed. @Gears I feel betrayed. I thought you were going for Revocation.
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Whelp, can’t say I’m surprised this is happening, but dang. I hope Dannex flips elim for y’all’s sake, because this looks mega sus.
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@Sart Vote count?
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This might be one of the strangest D1s I’ve been in. I would’ve expected more people to get on and defend Mat. I guess Illwei kind of is, but no one else is. I still think that Mat is an elim...but I’m not as sure of it anymore. I don’t want to vote on anyone else, but this is a little odd to me.
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You joke, but Alv would almost certainly be down for that. I wasn’t the first person to mention this. I specifically remember seeing someone else say that and agreeing with them. I can’t remember who it was.
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I think an elim choosing to get bussed D1 is different than the others deciding to bus them. Also, I don’t know why were going so hard on Quinn for saying things like “hey I might do this as an elim.” There are very much things that I have noticed that many people tend to fall into when they’re in a situation like this.
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@Quinn0928 You basically nailed my reasonings for voting on Mat. It feels like he’s got a lot of answers for his vote on me...but it all feels like things an elim would think, to me.
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Okay, to be clear: I was trying to say two things at once. The first being that it’s concerning that there’s only like...2-3 players posting reasoning and we only like 9 hours left in the turn. The second thing I was trying to say is that, because you were one of the few actually posting reasoning, I was able to go through and find flaws in your reasoning. Okay, I see what your primary reasoning is now. I still think the book thing was you picking reasoning opportunistically. This isn’t what I’m suggesting though. I’m literally just saying that I’d prefer we have 1-2 extra protects each night to avoid roleblocks and stuff. Even if we go overboard a bit, there’s like, what, 3 maps? Plus someone probably started with one as well. It just seems way too odd to me that you’re so adamant about not accounting for roleblocks and stuff. It would be way too easy for the elims to mess us up if we don’t overprotect at least a little. Anyway, I’m sorry for the misunderstandings, but I still think you’re worth voting on.
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@Matrim's Dice Well, I think we’re both misunderstanding each other. I’m not voting on you for having reasoning at all I’m voting on you because I think you’re using faulty reasoning. If you’re not voting me for the book thing, then why? EDIT: Well, I should’ve looked at Mat’s post before I sent mine. I’ll wait for him to respond to this before I respond to his post.
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I did that on purpose. Thought it would be funny. You have a reasoning for your vote, while most others (at least as far as I can remember) don’t really have any reasoning for their votes. Which is definitely concerning. Anyway, my reasoning for voting on you is that you chose to paint that target on my back, after other people had commented and chosen not to themselves. There’s nothing inherent about what I did that paints a target on my back from the elims. And if you’re worried that I’m painting a target on my back for the elims to use...one you yourself painted there...why did you vote on me? That’s honestly not much to go off of, but for a D1 vote it’s enough for me. And I’m still not sure why me saying I’m going for a book in thread is such a big deal anyway. By the start of the night turn we’d be seeing who got the books anyway, so if the elims really want to know who has it, they can just wait a bit to see then anyway. Plus, I might not even end up getting the book I want, considering I know of one other player going for the same book I am. Anyway, tl:dr: Mat’s really my only elim suspicion right now, so I’m voting for him.
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People I’d be okay with shrekking (in [rough] order): Mat: Not a fan of the way they voted on me. Feels very much like an elim trying to get a player exed when they see an opportunity to. I might be tunneling, but I’d rather find out sooner rather than later so I don’t keep tunneling on him and distract myself too much. Maybe Connie or Quinn? I’ve been getting odd vibes from them in the thread/PMs, though I feel less sure about that not that Mat also wants to shrek them. People I would not be ok with shrekking: Me: I am clearly the most village player ever. Kas and Alv: older players that I would like to have fun playing with. Random Bystander: Is new Illwei, TJ, and Burnt: I’ve been having fun with them in PMs. I bet at least one of the people in this list of people I don’t want to shrek is probably an elim, but I’m enjoying talking to them right now. Araris: He feels like he’s really trying to figure out the best way to handle the protection of the camp, even if I have my concerns about his method. This is very slight right now.
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Hey wait, I know I’m trying to be SpiderEZ, but I do have a life outside of SE.
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This statement is so ominous.
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I think we should absolutely shrek someone today. Yes, we increase the chalklings power in the night. But we’ve got items to handle that. To work against that. Plus, we do need to figure out who the Forgotten are. We need to get rid of them, as well as survive. We can’t focus on avoiding the chalklings to the point where we don’t try to get information to get rid of the Forgotten. Because the faster we get them, the easier it will be to hold off the chalklings.
