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Hmm, I had written my thoughts in advance, didn't read the other theories. But I stand by my second argument. Even if they're not fabrials, they didn't really need spren. It's just a bonus. EDIT: Plus they still could be fabrials and with my 2nd argument they need a huge amount of stormlight for only one piece. That would be the reason why they need multiple gems attached to them. And spren mitigate most of them.

First of all, I think shardplates are some super advanced fabrials. The reason that "important figures of the past" didn't have them was: No time to create it for them. We are talking about a desolation that kill 9 out of 10 people alive. So how important is a king that just sits in his palace (Nohadon did fight anything?). And other important people (Heralds and KR) already had shardplates. It used so much precious stormlight that were needed for other things like soulcasting food or healing. Now a Knight can probably create a shardplate with their spren (contradicting what I already said). Either way, the thing is spren at this situation: Can manage the amount of stormlight used by the plate and use it with greater effect. Something along the lines of what happens with honorblades,. Can operate it in on of these ways. Stop feeding stormlight to a piece to it disappears like what happened in the vision. Move the stormlight to somewhere else and the same thing happens. Or because of the control just make it not be Can change its color to something else. What happens is that basically is that the current shardplates don't have any spren operating them.

Almighty above, what have you done? *faints*. First of all you guys rock, I have to revisit it this week to give more upvotes. The king is definitely Dalinar, I cannot wait to see what he had forgotten... I like Moash as traitor. But to be honest it can refer to more than one people. Eshonai betraying their Gods is more interesting. What the hell... I didn't remember this. Are humans of Roshar the voidbringers to the Listeners and vise versa? That's ... the storm! EDIT: WOW some curse words turning to "the storm", lol.

The shattered plain was conquered in the name of Elhokar. All highprinces were summoned for it and each fought in it, gaining recognition and multiple gemhearts. King can bestow it to whomever he wants and Dalinar, being the one who initiated the final attack can be the prime target. Aladar and Sebarial already have some positions thanks to Dalinar (You know that Elhokar would agree to it). I don't know what happened to Roion's heir, but he can be given something too. But none of the other highprinces participated in the final battle: Hatham, Vamah, Thanadal, Bethab, Ruthar, (deceased) Sadeas. So they cannot, by Alethi rule, protest against it. Shattered plain (meaning the warcamps) was the center of Alethi power at a time. If you remember there were many delegates from foreign lands in Elhokar's parties. But that war is over, everyone is either moving to Urithiru, staying in their warcamps to farm gemhearts, or getting back home. We don't yet know which is which. But the main thing is Elhokar, Dalinar and the rest of the ruling party are now in Urithiru,and Elhokar wants to get back to Kholinar (his previous seat of power).

Am I the only one who thinks otherwise? "This book shouldn't have been written" means just that. For me, it doesn't point to the author. If the author was a male, if he wanted to, he could've asked for a woman scribe. There are so many reasons (at least for me) that being a man, writing a book, calling himself a heretic because of writing it, don't fit together. Plus you omitted a couple of sentences. The author don't just say it shouldn't exists. Women reading it, not seeing it. If the author was a male, the fact that a man has written it was proof enough. They didn't need to read his blasphemies. So for me, the author is definitely a woman, from a certain era and culture and probably at the height of Church's power. They care much about being godless. The rest make Jasnah the obvious choice, but probably everyone can guess that, right? And I don't really trust Brandon to make it this easy. To be honest I am at loss here. What decision? Writing a book? Jasnah, being a scholar, is expected to have written a book. Is it the content that makes it strange? Forgive what? Again writing the book or the material in it? It sounds like she has done some terrible things that she feels it too. It's not about her being a heretic.

Taravangian spoke of the vision Gavilar saw. It's fitting to say that Stormfather "Chose" the most powerful military figure in Roshar and gave him Honor's messages. Gavilar interpreted them as a message that would lead to Heralds being brought back. He was a devotee of Vorin Church. This is where Tavanast (Honor) failed, he couldn't foresee the future, and actually was handed the Everstorm to Odium. In predicting the coming of Everstorm, he allowed it happen through Gavilar. After his death, Stormfather sent the visions to the newest powerful military figure which was Dalinar. Let's add up: Gavilar saw the vision that we saw thorough Dalinar, right? He found Parshendi, being a smart guy he put 2+2 together. He was the first one to deduce that. And from what we saw, it took Jasnah years and many books to reach to the same conclusion. He thought the last desolation needs to happen, because it will bring the Heralds and with them bring back the Church's power. He, somehow, found those black gems. Deduced that they captured a spren and made Parshmen docile. He confronted Ashonai, handed her "one" of the gems. (The other was given to Szeth later on). That gem is probably the source of Venli's research for new forms. Got murdered. The war broke out... Six years later, Everstorm happened. Odium is bad in itself, from what Hoid and the other mysterious guy (a dragon?) said in their mails, he's the most dangerous entity alive right now. I think (am pretty sure) that the time-skip is needed because each desolation takes a long time to finish. Previous ones destroyed 90% of the populations, and this new one which will never end (Everstorm) will go on and on and on until Odium decides to accept to proxy the result to a duel between his champion and someone chosen by KR. On the other hand, maybe this will be shown in the 5th book but Odium, after losing the challenge, won't accept it and they need to kill him too.

Well the one who wrote this is a woman. Considering the text says "women who will read this", the author didn't consider the possibility that men can read too, I don't think that it means they won't like it because a man has written it. And I don't think the book is/was in Urithiru, I think it's in the possession of Jasnah and was hidden in Shadesmar til now. The whole Vorin shenanigans (feminine and muscular arts) happened after the betrayal. We know of Knights Radiant who were women. And the only ones who could gain access were Truthless shins with honorblades that gave them flying ability or transportation. So UNLESS their masters specifically asked them to (and I can't really discard it because it's Brandon we are talking about) this book shouldn't exist in Urithiru. I previously thought it was Dalinar's wife, shshshsh, but I no longer think so. So I'll go with someone we haven't met yet. On the other hand, it'll be cool if Sunmaker actually used a Truthless to get his book to Urithiru.

If you only consider the military side, from Dalinar's visions, east is (was) the power house of Alethela. So probably most of the population were in fighting shape; had training or at least could fend off most attacks til the Knights get there. But Oathgates were needed to travel faster to remote(?) areas like west.

First Jasnah already tried to open the Oathgate in Kholinar but she couldn't activate it. We don't know when she got her Spren-blade. So it's possible that she couldn't open the gate because she didn't have the proper blade. Secondly Stormseat was an important city in the old ages, like Kholinar, considering that Jasnah visited most major cities (Shallan spent a lot of time to catch up with her, her other wanna-be wards did the same before her), she already had exhausted other options. Thirdly that city was destroyed with its gate still active so it's possible that KR didn't think about closing that particular gate. So I say either of the following is correct: 1. They didn't need to be locked at both ends ( and the problem was with Jasnah not being able to activate others) 2. They could only need to close the one in Urithiru, but KR at the time didn't bother because they thought it was destroyed and didn't try to activate it. 3. They could be locked both ways but KR couldn't find it in shattered plains or didn't bother to because of time or any other reasons. Personally I think number 3 looks more logical. You should remember that Skybreakers are still around so THEY could've used Urithiru as the base of operation but they didn't. EDIT: All the talks about Navani throw me off, for a moment I thought she was the Elsecaller. Changed them to Jasnah now

@Calderis I concede. I should've read your thread first and what you wrote about Szeth totally made sense. But I'll go back to my first point then, disagreeing about oaths isn't the same as removing them completely. He will remove the radiants if it's necessary, this alone is enough for me.

I am not Brandon Sanderson and this is not my world. But from the things we have seen, There's a big difference between disagreeing with someone OR outright destroying them. We saw from the in-book Words of Radiance that radiants disagreed with each other. But none of them sought a way to destroy their rivals because they were on the way. I am going to emphasize something here. Consider that Taravangian don't believe in Almighty, Heralds or Radiants, he ONLY believes in the diagram and the man who wrote it. Taravangian doesn't want to "share" the responsibility. He doesn't want stability in Alethy. He doesn't want Radiants in his way, we won't try to reason with them, he's going to "remove" them. Any my last and most important argument. He doesn't care about how he achieves his goal, only that it needs to be reached. It's AGAINST the very first oath of Knight Radiants. He has as much of a chance to be a radiant as the sergeant who let Tien die. You got to do whatever it takes to survive. The diagram says: But the first ideal is: I don't need to explain it but:

O GOD I didn't know that these chapters were already written.. I, in the right state of mind, read the spoiler and am a happy man now. Thank you.

Ok guys I think you got it backward. Taravangian cannot be a Bondsmith ever. The second ideal of them is and I quote "I will unite instead of divide. I will bring men together." To be a bondsmith, not only you have to unite (what Taravangian is trying to do) but also do not divide (which is trying to actively). He's using divide and conquer tactics to unite the whole world, which Gavilar tried in Alethi. He doesn't want to work with the Surgebinders. As someone here cracked the code He knew the Knights Radiant will eventually return and found the reason they broke in the first place (See that it's not why they betrayed but why they broke). So he's ready to take on the whole lot of them. He's just binding his time, in the end, if our heroes want to succeed, they have to go through him. I don't think he'll get back to the light ever. But of course there's a chance that his smart self knew he had to die in the end for the plan to work, and his plans will eventually be finished by KR. EDIT: And we only saw some parts of the diagram. He wrote in every possible surface.

I wanted to say he started again so he's not broken enough. But didn't Shallan do the same thing? And how broken a 5 year old child can get? (when she first bonded pattern). We don't know the limit but we know that right before desolations more spren would join the fight. And I agree that he cannot be a Skybreaker or Windrunner, he's not the watcher at the rim. Considering how he dealt with Roshone right before Amaram came, I have to go with Edgedancers or Lightweavers. We don't know much from other orders but the descriptions don't fit Lirin.

I think the first storm gave every Parshmen the ability to listen. So the next storm can transform them better; then, the next one to give them a fighting form, etc. This desolation is different than before, the storm is here to stay right? It'll go around the world and won't disperse ever. So maybe the transformation is just smaller. But I don't get why they haven't attacked yet, even 2 or 4 of them could probably destroy a town. Maybe Odium don't have complete control yet.

Oh Honor what chapters we got this week... November needs to come faster! I got some theories ready... First... What's going on with the parshmen? I think they all got a command, hurt Roshar in anyway you can. Parshmen of Thaylenah took the ships, Parshmen of Azir doing negotiation, Parshmen in farms took the grains and other foods. I think that each time Everstorm goes through them they change a bit. For now they can accept commands, then they can transform to other dangerous forms.. after that... only Odium knows! Second... You guys are all forgetting Jasnah! She's an Elsecaller who has seen most of the world. She went everywhere hunting new information. I think she will be the one to open most of the Oathgates. Third... Kaladin is going to Kholinar... I predict a fight there against the Parshendi, Kaladin has to open the gate for reinforcements. It's going to be a close thing. Fourth... I am loving the new Elhokar. He will be a Radiant, and hopefully it'll happen soon. Fifth... I was like what the storming storm... Taravangian is going to Urithiru. Nothing good will come of it. Ghostbloods, Diagrams and Sons of Honor all in one place.. Any other secret sects? But man if he really is a bondsmith. Can spren detect intents? I really want to know what happens. Sixth... Loved Kholin brothers' scene. Renarin to the rescue yeay. And I totally can get behind the reviving theory. Adolin remembering Surblood, thinking Gallant could use the "company", thinking about how shardblades chose their owners. I am speechless. Seventh... I have a feeling that Dalinar let the boy go... at least I hope so :(.

Thanks for the quote, I had forgotten about this part. But to go with my theory, being a heretic doesn't make you bullying or manipulative, but I concede that until we know more about the past, the probability is way lower than my #2 guess. She could still be the one, but either people forgot about her/scared of Dalinar, or only she assumes that. Szeth, even if he was sane, certainly wouldn't say just "women". He can read and write, so there's a chance that the culture is different from Alethi, but then why "only women reading it"? The wording is Alethi, or at least the same as human beings in Roshar. Nothing alike how Parshendi writes. And again she is not bound by the same ideas as Vorin Church. Why do only women read it? Technically, they want to bring Heralds and the Church back, not the Radiants. So they are fanatics, not heretics. Now that's strange. Dalinar "saw" Nohadon, if he were in fact Jezrien the scene would be totally different. Anyway, again, why in world would a Radiant omit men? It doesn't make any sense.

It can't be these guys: Heralds: Why do they only address women? Why are they considering themselves heretics? They have seen a woman fighter, a man reading etc... . They are alive since oathpact was made, heretic on what really? Taravengian, Szeth or any other male after Vorin doctrine was made. Again the same issue but in reverse. They are from a world when using books are feminine arts. They don't even know how to read. Even if somehow they write in words or glyphs, they are an anomaly, why they can't consider other anomalies? If I can do that so can another man. Anyone who's not a native in Roshar. Characters from Mistborn, Warbreaker etc. Again same reasons as above. And basically they know other Gods and seen males read/write. I have 3 options here, my theory is that Dalinar's sword is the center of it, so: Jasnah, the "obvious choice". We have seen how she "died", and where she went. She could experience some torture in Shadesmar or even worldhopped somewhere. Some woman close to Sunmaker. I can't put it past Sanderson to introduce a new character, but in book 3? If that's the case we probably see or hear about her in the following chapters. Shshshsh, Dalinar's wife. Everyone thinks she's dead, but no one described how it happened. My theory is that she was captured by Dalinar's enemies, and he didn't back down so they "killed" her. Dalinar being the Blackthorn killed every one. She probably fell down the cliff and people were watching, but you don't need to be on the ground to access Shadesmar. The book can be in Jasnah's hands now as she was the first one from Roshar to visit Shadesmar recently. We don't know the boon Dalinar asked, but the curse is that he can't remember anything about Shshshsh. On the other hand, Dalinar really likes Jasnah because she So what about Shshshsh? Could she have the same qualities as Jasnah? Out of these 3, I think the last one is the most logical choice.

You know what! It totally makes sense. I can see the break point be his father. He doesn't remember anything of his wife, Adolin's mother. He could "cure" that too... bring back the memories.

What I meant was that they never created a nahel bond with Spren and always captured them. The fact that spren and humans created those binds was considered a betrayal by the parshendi. Yeah I know, I kind of hoped that there could be a completely genderless (having nothing that wasn't necessary) somewhere in there too.

But considering how valuable that blade is... it can make you a radiant without the necessary oaths. And you don't shouldn't use it like a simple "key". Didn't she bully people before? being a Radiant with a blade and surviving anything? First with WoR, when Dalinar said she's too important and they to soldiers/scouts that she can survive the fall from Urithiru.

My two chips on these chapters. I sill believe the author of Oathbringer is Shshshshshsh, Dalinar's first wife. I wrote about it in the previous topic (chapters-4-6). There's no way that the author is a Herald. First of all, Heralds knew of a time where both men and women read, worked or fought, but the author only foresaw women reading it in the future. And how a Herald can be heretic, they are the ones that are worshiped but the Vorin Church. Chapter 7: I didn't like Laral at all. In my mind, she came in late so she could have a witty reply ready. It felt cheap. I liked how Kal sidesteped it, there's nothing to argue when desolation is here. Four gender? Nah.. doesn't work for me, it's a fantasy book so why not 6 or 8? or even 7? I don't know where I got this idea but I thought it was common knowledge that Parshendi are older than humans. Spren were in Roshar before Tavanast, and were "friends" with the Parshendi, then human beings came and nahel bond took form, Parshendi didn't understand it (they never broke and captured spren for transformation) so they assumed that they were betrayed by spren. Before the Galivar's expedition none of them saw any humans and didn't know what they looked like now, but all of them understood what Kaladin was. The way they acted and their dialogues about him showed that. Sadly I don't remember the exact wordings, so maybe I am wrong. Chapter 8: Loved the city's patterns, Knights have a huge advantage going around the city, they could fly, use patterns or "dance through rooftops", transport or in case of bondsmiths probably just stay in one place for the others to come to them. But normal human beings just walked in confusion. That map was a smart move, I hope Shallan took a mental image and will draw it on a paper. I think the "champion" will attack Kholinar soon and certainly before the opening of its oathgate. The theory that Dalinar saw some visions from Renarin is really cool. I hope we see more of these things. Chapter 9: For me, Renarin is completely normal for a Truthwatcher. He "saw" everything from the champion to Sedeas's murder but can't speak of it. It's in their nature to do so. I liked that Dalinar acknowledged that Highprince Aladar is now the Highprince of Information. Completely different from what he would've done back at the camps. The second murder can't be Ialai it doesn't sit with me well.. what? I ordered people killed so you find out my husband's murderer? But ghostbloods a different story, it can be a way to control Shallan. Oh and of course, Adolin needs to break to bond, hopefully it won't hurt much.

I haven't read the whole thing yet, I will do it this week. But I have to say something before the next chapters, because of a moment of clarity... I think, the writing is from Dalinar's first wife and Jasnah found the book in Shadesmar. We still don't know how she supposedly died and because of the word 'fallen', I think there was a cliff, freeing hostages gone wrong etc...

@The True Survivor Will keep that in mind, thank you! @Bugsy6912 oh, than you, will check them <3 @bleeder thanks, but no thanks. reading PDF on kindle is hard, I have to buy the kindle version, but thanks for the advise on it. <3 @Darkness Ascendant thank you my good sir. You're all so friendly

@bleeder me too brother, me too