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It's about the one he couldn't save, maybe something like don't let the ones that I couldn't save bother me (or impede my duty). I have to say, I really didn't like losing the theory of who authored oathbringer, but I am happy about the deal Taravangian made. He should not be a Radiant. BTW, did I understand correctly? Parshmen were there before (that's a fact). How about Honor? We know that Odium and humans came together... So their worshipers swapped places or something? Odium enticed Parshmen to accept him and Humans thought Honor was better?

I really need some therapy.. I cried a lot for Talenelat... The one who wasn't meant to have joined them in the first place, the one who was not a king, scholar, or general. I am speechless really.. started to read it again and need time to organize my thoughts.. IT WAS CHAOTIC...

Finally! Got the epub version, converting it to mobi for my kindle

I wasn't around when WoR came, so I don't have a point of reference. But I got hyped every Tuesday for some chapters, then promised myself that this slow torture isn't worth it and I should stop reading it every week and wait for the book. AND I always broke my oath (no spren harmed in this way I promise you that). I remember being this excited half the time when reading WoK and WoR, but not for the first part. This one is definitely one of my favorites. I really thought Shallan's story had ended in WoR and didn't care about her anymore, and Brandon proved me wrong. Loved the flashbacks and even though it probably won't effect the story much, I HAVE to know what happened to Evi and her brother. What happened with the Nightwatcher, the storm Travangian is up to. Too many secret organizations and too much plot and I have to know everything! I'll probably skip this part when reading the book but I promise that I WILL re-read the whole thing 2 more times before the year ends.

I think someone made it up.

Ok got another strange idea... From my previous post: Now that Eshonai died, and now that there's a chance that their "dead" ancestors are commanding the army, does that mean Eshonai is now an Elder and can influence other Listeners? Maybe have a revolt or something. Or what @Argent said.. The spren could be Eshonai in some sense. Maybe the spren was "transformed by collective human her imagination into a personification of one of their her ideals." And that could influence Venli in some way. Along the lines that Venli tries to see her sister in the spren. If it dances her sister is happy with what Venli is doing at the moment etc.

It's still the same thing.

@Argent Hmm, I think none of the Parshendi counsel wanted to "command" and always asked nicely "I really appreciate it if you can ... ". I previously thought that the gem Gavilar gave to Eshonai had the great spren in it. Did Venli release Ulim from the gem or it came from somewhere else? In the first case, that powerful spren is the Everstorm itself? Syl told Kaladin that he is the weird one. A spren dead is still a spren, break a rock and it's still there. But human beings miss something and become meat. Now that we know that the Listener have gemhearts, does this mean that their dead are still Listeners and probably can be talked to, or revived? At least in the first case, ancestors taking the leadership makes more sense. On Eshonai dying. Finally! I really didn't like her character. Venli being the traitor and seeking redemption is a better story than Eshonai. Being a traitor (knowingly do something) is different than being dumb/charmed (Eshonai unwillingly taking control and summoning everstorm). I always thought he meant Dalinar. Still we don't know everything, but I'll trade Eshonai for Dalinar every day. I don't think that the unmade are in command. Seeking death and destruction isn't the same as planning. Human beings can think but not everyone is a commander and they should be exceptional at it. The way Ulim talked about the commanders made me think of some ageless Listeners Let's shut it down. First of all, spren are physically manifested ideas, or something to that effect. So people can imagine them however they want. Secondly, Nale went there and took his blade from them. Wouldn't he kill odium's people? Why did they give it back? The honorblade in hands of people, particularly the Church would destroy humankind. The instrument of the almighty would be used to create a Vorin world and the Sunmaker couldn't defeat them.They were lucky that shin have safeguarded the blades. Nothing is known yet on why Szeth thought the knights are returning and a new desolation is coming. Was he a scholar like Jasnah? Did he figure it out beforehand but was cast away? Either way Nale wouldn't accept some associate of odium in his ranks. Plus their meeting at the end of WoR, Nale is considered one of shin's Gods.

damnation the hell, just one more week. The wait is killing me.. And your review didn't really help Wish I was a Kandra, so I could take your place for the next books

I see what you mean now, sorry that I didn't understand it at first. Still, it doesn't make any sense, the diversity isn't that much. We haven't even seen authorship from men in "modern ages" anywhere in Roshar (Some man who isn't from Vorin culture). OK STORM I GOT A STRANGE IDEA NOW. [my-light-bulb moment] What happened to previous Radiants? What happens to their spren when Radiants themselves die (either in battle or old age)? Do we know any Radiant who died of old age? IF their spren dies with them or returns to the same state (not a weapon I mean) does that mean that the original owner of Oathbringer betrayed his/her oath? Does that mean HE/SHE(probably) wrote the book about the shardblade before dying? Some Radiants will feel threatened and others liberated. (Probably a in-fighting between them?) The author is a godless heretic, he betrayed their religion, Tranquiline Halls etc... People thought the author had fallen (like fallen angels). What decision? To kill the spren, to leave its body behind. We have seen how good(?) the radiants are, not it's in reverse. Maybe being a Radiant is both a curse and a boon, like what the Nightwatcher offers. " your lesson may not be as painful as my own.", New Radiants beware... No storyteller, no philosopher, no poet... it's the opposite of the Way of Kings. Nohadon was all and more than that. The author killed someone close to him/her, do we have anything closer than a spren to one's self in Roshar? "Finally, I will confess my humanity. I have been named a monster, and do not deny those claims. I am the monster that I fear we all can become." Monster that betrayed mankind a monster that others can the new Radiants can become EDIT: So a WoB says that Radiants can die (still nothing from old age but we can assume it's true), and it doesn't effect the spren in a terrible way (becoming sword maybe). They probably lose their conscience or something like that, so: The original owner of Oathbringer definitely betrayed their oath. Could it be that the spren/sword was named before dying? I think in this case, Sunmaker wasn't the first one to name it and only found and bonded the legendary blade. I really want to take you on that offer, but don't have the time right now. I should be a good discussion.

Ah ok, hadn't considered that really. Probably not, but it becomes urban legend, no one really says how he got it, and people fantasize seeing it, etc. But to be honest, it can be people pointing to others that "saw" it and every single one of them will lie for him. It's kinda scary.

I have no idea why you said this. Did I say he wanted to fight Vedenar? What I meant was that because of this quote, I would think they changed the story to assassination in house, not on battlefield. And again, dying by shardbearers in battlefield is just dying, no one calls it an assassination.

You're missing a quote here. First hand quote from Amaram calling it an assassination. Of course they would know about other groups like ghostbloods and diagram, but saying it like that would mean that he claims the whole battle happened because of him. In battle, he is just a commander, a shardbearer can kill everyone in the army if he wishes, there's no reason to "try to assassinate" the brightlord to win the battle.

Ok I think my theory is this: First of all, of course Amaram didn't bound the blade and hid the plate for some years. right? I think we all can agree to this part. Next point is about his explanation. Kaladin saved Amaram from a Brightlord soldier, not an assassin. Those are two different things. I think that assassination means attacking when you least expect like sleeping... So comes a night 4-5 months ago, there's some ruckus going on, people hear someone had tried to assassinate Amaram. So everyone is up next day only to see Amaram with a storming shardblade in his hands (It take 7 - 9? days to bound the blade), and after that time, everyone know that Amaram is a shardbearer, because who the storm would get one and would leave it unbound for more than a second? It's a storming shardblade. The only ones who know the truth are the Sons of Honor. Amaram probably either killed the guards he didn't trust or left them at home. Did anyone who Dalinar (or his scribes) investigate say anything about how he saw the assassin? How Amaram fought? All witnesses said that he got the blade some months ago, but not how he got it. You cannot duel a Shardbearer with full plate when you have nothing, and you kill in the battlefield not assassinate.

Gavilar's biography while he was still alive which was written by Jasnah, and another written by Navani after his death. But in Jasnah's book, he's mentioned in first person, but the book itself is written by Jasnah. [The light-bulb moment] I thought that was common knowledge. I based everything that I have written here til now on it. :-/

Book is coming next week, so it's the last chance for Brandon to storm us. I think we see the attack on Kholinar or cliffhanger just before that.. Probably something like Kaladin climbing and the seeing a mass of 10 thousand Parshendi ready for the everstorm... .

Lucky for you guys, my only option is the e-book version so I can only get it on November 14. All other options takes a long time to reach me. Re-read it for me too xD

Let's say I am the "anomaly". I can read and write in a language that ONLY a specific gender/race/etc can communicate with. Is it that easy to discard myself and any other "anomaly" that came before or comes after me and only target that specific people? If the writer is male, and didn't ask a woman to write the text for him, he should have known that other anomalies like himself can and will happen. So they wouldn't write "I know that many women who read this", and instead would have said "I know that people who read this" or anything equivalent to that. That's my argument. Plus I don't think the text is in glyph language, I think you don't either. So probably the writer is not Amaram at all. EDIT: In other words, why do you write about something when you, yourself are the contradiction of that.

I am so jealous but happy for you. Have fun reading it

damnation I don't have enough upvotes to give :(. Going back... Did all of you, including me on the first read, missed Oathbringer's memories? Stormfather claims that the spren itself is dead. BUT he also says that the spren hates Dalinar less because of his oaths, etc? Seriously I'd be pissed if Adolin can't revive his blade in the near future. The blade remembers... . Secondly, while I really don't like this theory of 9 desolations, 9 abandoned oaths and 9 unmades. (Or any variations of it) It still can be true. Brandon only needed to specify a range. 20? 30? 40? But he only said much less than that. And boy if he would say 9... And please don't say that the fight with Re-Shephir was underwhelming. Renarin saw her strength and knew theirs and he was scared. It was fortunate or plot-armor that Shallan was practicing so much and could hold against it/her. Plus we will probably see an upgraded version of her again.

All I can say is this: Storm it!! Holy hell, we are in for a treat. We see something like that concluded in 30 chapters, I am kinda scarred about the whole book. I'll probably won't sleep for some days after Novamber 14. Re-Shephir, the midnight mother... a twisted creationspren.. just wow. And that wealth.. Calling it.. Oathbringer will be in that ruined library. I really want to read more about Travangian.. murdering them all.

The tenth order that didn't participate in recreance probably is the Skybreakers. Mraize told Shallan that her brother Heralan sought them. Nale had some helpers while trying to capture Lift. They had enough knowledge about how Radiants operate that they removed the infused gems from walls. Plus Edgedancer spoiler: And again as Nale and the team wanted to remove Radiants from emerging. So it fits the order.

When I first read the book, I had a feeling that Dalinar asked the Nightwatcher to heal in anyway possible. I don't remember now when and where I got this idea. I thought it is about Renarin's birth, maybe she had a difficult one or something like that. But I don't know when the death occured and how old Adolin and Renarin were at that time. Adolin talks about Navani and Jasnah but says nothing about how her mother helped shape him. The only thing that Adolin has is his mother's chain. So I think she was pregnant with her when all of it happened and Dalinar wanted to save their child. The curse is forgetting the mother, the boon is Renarin surviving the childhood. And I am with the camp that believes Dalinar never took that amount of Stormlight til now. He wanted his Radiants to practice, but the only thing that he himself did was re-visiting the visions at will, nothing more.

My heart skipped a bit when I saw Evi's name and Dalinar actually remembering it. Did the stormlight healed him? Loved that story about tradition! He did a good sermon. The whole Kaladin's part just ... I have so many questions to ask or to know. So Syl absolutely knows what that other spren is? Can "she" be wrong? Have we ever seen a spren that was wrong in his/her assumption? Is it possible that Kaladin wants to sway them to "the right way"? Will he protect them against other humans? Oh the second copy cat murder! Storm it, everything we said was wrong. Can it be something in Urithiru that does that? This can't be Ialai, can't be the ghostbloods, what the storm is it then? I am pretty sure Shallan will ask Adolin how the hell he knew that it was a copycat! The whole pattern talking about corpses... rust I didn't ever consider that Today's chapters were the strangest thing I've ever read.

The reason that Kaladin's scares/slave marks etc doesn't heal is because Kaladin believes them to a part of him. Lopen regrew an arm because he didn't want/believe. Brandon said that if you had a honorblade but didn't know what it would do, it would act as a priceless but ordinary shardblade. And Shallan wanted 10 heartbeat because accepting to have a precious dead shardblade was better than being a radiant. But in the end, hers was the only one who didn't scream. Oh and the one @Dlyol posted as well.