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I hypothesize that it would be Unity. The reason being is that the two main religions in Elantris, Shu-Korath Shu-Dereth, are both descendants of Shu-Keseg, which was about unity of all. The two sects disagreed about how to achieve that unity, with the former saying love is necessary while the latter favored absolute hierarchy. As such, I imagine the truth is that when both sects come together, unity will be reached, which has the giant underlying message that when Devotion (Love) and Dominion (Hierarchy) come together, Unity will be obtained.

WoB states though that Hoid has an actual innate ability to know where and when to go. So that seems to strongly imply that he's not just tapping a lot of luck and blindly worldhopping, he's actually targeting a specific destination when he worldhops. Combined with the other WoB, it seems to be implying that he is using feruchemy to amplify said ability. Thanks for the correction on Elantrians.

It's possible that Jaddeth's influence is just the skaze. It's been confirmed that they influence what happens in Fjorden, and they are splinters.

Ah, okay. Thought they were actually getting more power per volume of metal burned. Thanks for the correction.

Brandon has hand-waved it a bit, and says the magic compensates a bit with physics when crossing the boundary, the same way why objects don't conserve velocity when they cross the boundary and deflect instead.

This is true. However, since it is known that Mistborn Era 4 will be a space opera with FTL, it is still seen as more likely that it is Scadrians who are the Ones Above. Also, Scadrians, at least Southern Scadrians, and soon to be the ones in the Basin, are also working on technology which runs off of investiture, so you can't discount them for that reason.

Full Allomancy and Feruchemy charts are out. Hemalurgy chart isn't out yet though Brandon has said that he is planning on getting it out evenetually. So there are two WoBs on the matter. [WoB] [WoB] The second one was made 4 years after the first one, so it looks like Brandon changed his mind a bit over what would happened, so it isn't really clear. However, a general consensus seems to be that weird stuff would happen.

You have someone outside the bubble observe it.

If a twinborn compounder got hemarlugic spikes of the metallic arts they already possess, then those powers are amplified. Burning metals will give more power per metal and your feruchemical strength would be greater, though what that means has not been determined yet, though I think it has to do with the ratio of attribute lost to attribute stored.

Yes, Dominion was splintered and Skai is dead. Yata is saying Jaddeth's MO is more like Dominion's than Autonomy's, not that it is Dominion.

I'm slightly confused over this part. In the first paragraph, you say, "If you're right and it's efficiency," which implies that you're talking to me about my opinion on this regard, but then you start talking about how it's about thresholds, which isn't what I was talking about at all. I'm not really sure what you're talking about in the second paragraph. Either I'm just dumb, or slow because I just woke up, or I'm just not understanding it. I don't know what you mean when you say "they're actually keeping a percentage of that attribute for themselves". Also, I don't see how the efficiency and storage speed are functionally the same.

Thanks a lot.

First note, you keep using Pinnacle, and by context you are referring to nicrosil feruchemy, but nicrosil ferrings are Soulbearers not Pinnacles, so I'm not sure why you're using that term. Pinnacle Ferrings store Determination in electrum. The issue I see is that we're divided on what feruchemical efficiency means. If I understand you, you are saying it is a limit to how much you can store at a time. So at 100% efficiency you can store all of the attribute at a moment, but at 50% efficiency you can only store 50% of the attribute at a time. My opinion, is that is efficiency has to do with the loss:store ratio. So at 100% efficiency, if you lose X amount of attribute for T time, you would have a metalmind which has X amount stored and can be tapped for T time. However, at 50%, the ratio is 2:1, so you if you lose X amount of attribute for T time, you would only have a metalmind which has X/2 amount stored, but can still be tapped for T time. That is what I was getting at from the WoB I quoted earlier. Now how I think this applies creating the medallions. When you store investiture for a feruchemical ability, you're losing efficiency for that ability. So if full feruchemist starts storing half their pewter feruchemy into a nicrosilmind, then they would be at 50% efficiency for pewter storing until then. If they store nicrosil feruchemy, they could store anywhere from 1% to 99%, but at 1% they would be at 99% efficiency, so would be effectively storing 0.99% efficiency charge and at 99% they would be at 1% efficiency, so would be effectively storing 0.99% efficiency. Most efficient would be 50% storing for 25% actual stored. Moving on to storing identity. There wouldn't be a limit on how much aluminum feruchemy you could store, as long as you still had a little. The stored identity isn't important, so you can just store 99% of their aluminum feruchemy ability. Then you'll just be losing 100% of your identity while only storing 1%, but get a fairly effective rate on storing aluminum feruchemy ability. Hope this makes sense. Yes, aluminum and nicrosil feruchemy storing would still be more difficult than others, but it would still be possible, if it follows the efficiency of storage, instead of some hard limit on how much can be stored. Not sure how that came about and the WoB seems to imply differently.

Hrm. First of all, the point of theories is to make leaps, and you do need to make some extreme ones. Regarding the use of innate, it can have multiple meanings. We can either take it to mean that it is something he was born with, or we can take it a bit more broadly and have it as something that is a part of him, and not reliant on an external mechanism, like a shard suggesting him ideas. Moving on, even though Brandon did say that he uses feruchemy to know where to go, it seems unlikely that feruchemy is the only mechanism involved. It would be more likely that he has some other ability that he is amplifying with feruchemy. Regarding his possession of lerasium, things have been vague, but he has allomancy and feruchemy so it seems likely that he would've used at least some of it. He could still have some of it, in which case he would still be in possession of it. I can't really imagine another way he could've become an allomancer and feruchemist, though he probably knows a lot more about innate investiture manipulation than me.

I'm sure he was after it for both the allomancy and feruchemy. He wouldn't need to compound it though, I don't think, although he could. He probably doesn't need the prescience ability all the time, just at select points. At other times he could just focus on storing it, since he wouldn't be using it anyways. When he's about to worldhop, he just taps it all in a giant burst to know where and when to go.

Could you explain this tension thing a bit more? I don't see how your feruchemical strength would dictate whether or not you can store all your identity while still storing a part of your investiture related to storing identity. There is a WoB that states hemalurgic decay on feruchemy causes a loss of storing efficiency, which can be extrapolated to generally feruchemical strength deciding efficiency. As such, if you start storing your ability to store identity, you would just get less of a charge of identity for the amount you've lost, but since you don't really care about how much identity you have, it wouldn't matter.

I did address this. IF you, being its wielder, dematerialize it, it will still leave you bond to it. Otherwise, if it is materialized, you need to be holding it. Fair enough. I thought you were referring to using the Honorblades as a base. In that case, the efficiency would still be a slight problem for the surges the Honorblade would allow you to bind, along with the fact that whatever spren you are bonded to might take an aversion to it.

There's still a bond with the shardblade with honorblades, it's just different than a sprenblade's bond. Here's how I understand it: With an honorblade, the connection is weaker. You only get surgebinding and basic stormlight augmentation abilities. The blade doesn't disappear when you drop it unintentionally and the bond is, in fact, reliant on you physically holding it. The only exception is when you dematerialize it. Otherwise, once you let go, you are no longer bonded to it, and can gain nothing from it until you wield it again. It's easier to gain access to surgebinding and stormlight augmentation abilities with honorblades, sure. There is the downside though that you use stormlight a lot more quickly, and you can only heal physical wounds. But hey, unless you're planning on fighting Knight Radiants, shardbearers or crazy lunatics trying to charge hemalurgic spikes, I guess it doesn't matter that much.

No problem. Just a suggestion on wording. Don't say things along the lines of "I figured that at this point everyone is pretty well versed in that." It sounds really elitist since it implies you're assuming everyone should have a specific set of knowledge while at the same time excluding anyyone who didn't know that. Moving back to the main topic, since we got heavily sidetracked. I did bring up a thought, which I'm not sure you saw, and if you did, I'm going to say it against anyways because it's a good place to get us back on track. Here's what I think. The specific WoBs refer to two parts of Hoid's ability to know where and when to go. The first part is a weak prescience, or instinctual ability. This is a part of his innate investiture, though whether he started with it or not, I don't know. I don't think he did. It helps guide him on where to go, what to do. However, when he tries to apply it to something bigger, like worldhopping, it doesn't work as well, so he sometimes goes to the wrong place at the wrong time, and essentially doesn't find something "novel-worthy". However, after he went to Scadrial and took a bead of lerasium, he used to it store his prescience ability so he could later amplify it and more accurately divine where and when to go next. This is the second part, using feruchemy.

Rust and Ruin, they're shooting at the bubble's border, not the Pulser. They're scientists, not lunatics. There are are plenty of ways to make sure the Pulser isn't in danger, including shooting out of the bubble.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone had tested it at some point. After all, I'm sure there were some Pulser Mistings out there who were willing to make a bit of money with their allomancy while progressing science. The question is how fiable the test would be, since a lot of factors would influence the trajectory of the bullet, including the fact that the gun's recoil would affect its alignment. I'm sure you could get accurate results if you used enough precision though.

Yes, you could probably somehow rig a Selish magic so that it draws form a different regional source. I imagine it would be a lot harder than just changing the base terrain shape. While the shape connects the symbols to the source of the Dor for that magic system, there's probably a specific frequency of Dor which each magic draws upon, which is different for each source. So some hacking of the magic would be necessary.

I am aware of this. I'm sorry if my wording suggested otherwise, but I didn't need the explanation on manifestations of investiture, nor did I say anything which suggested you didn't, so I don't know why you wrote that last sentence in the first paragraph. The thing about lightweaving and soulcasting is that they are not manifestations of investiture unique to a shard and world. They are effects of manifestations which can be achieved by different means, such as Roshar's surgebinding of the Surge of Illumination or Surge of Transformation. I haven't read Dragonsteel but I'm assuming that Lightweaving wasn't a manifestation of investiture of it, but a resulting ability or effect. Since Brandon specifically says Feruchemy, it would have to be from Scadrial. Note: This is a suggestion, but I think forum dynamics could be improved if you weren't slightly condescending when you reply to someone. I'm sure you didn't mean to, but the specific wording you used can give that impression to people

Feruchemy is the manifestation of investiture of both Ruin and Preservation, so I don't think it could've predated Scadrial. What I think Brandon meant, is that Hoid had somehow acquired a limited prescience ability, to help him find where to go next, where and when something "novel-worthy" occurs. However, this power is limited and non-precise, meaning that he misses his guess sometimes. WoB on that matter. However, now that he has obtained feruchemical powers after visiting Scadrial, he is somehow using it to amplify his prescience abilities, using feruchemical compound tapping, so he can more precisely go where he wants to be.

Just because he would lose AonDor abilities when he gets further from Elantris after becoming an Elantrian doesn't mean it would overall become a limiter. It would just mean he would gain a more limited power. Also, it has been suggested that there may be ways to access the Dor for region-limited Selish abilities outside those regions, and if anyone could figure out how to do it, it would probably be Hoid. My interpretation when you said "why would he want to limit himself?" was that becoming an Elantrian would somehow apply a greater limitation to his actions. Is that what you meant, or did you mean something more along the lines of "why would he try to take an ability which would have limited usage?"? In any case, I don't think his goal is to replace Adonalsium, as that would require way more power than he has interested himself in getting, unless you're thinking that he's going to draw out all of the shards' power once he's established connection to them all, which still seems unlikely.