Stick.

Turtle guess I'll tie it since that's what I do now, though I'd still like to hear illwei's thoughts on them.

I'm Mistborn . . ...I'm not. But. If I were elim I would be saying that right about now. @Illwei I'm actually having a bit of trouble reading Turtle despite having been teamed with them before so can you tell me why you're village reading them?

Naurr Okay well I don't intend to vote Cinnamon in self-pres but Turtle...hm. I don't know if a v!Turtle flip will give us a ton of info but e!Turtle will be nice. I'm still most suspicious of Mat out of everyone on the chopping block. Is it better to let RNG decide? Or should I vote Turtle I need everybody's thoughts ty Glad that there's no vote manip

I answered your question 1.5 hours after you asked it here - this post includes my reason for voting Mat: Reason for voting silvereye last cycle:

Okay genuine mistake, v!Stick could have made it and e!Stick could have made it. I think this should be NAI Lack of explanation regarding votes? How many people actually gave reasonable justifications for their votes D1? (Barring EoD, since I wasn't on for that anyway). Alv was clearly a joke vote, my reason to vote TUN was to create a tie like I said and my reason behind voting Silvereye has also been explained already. How is this worse than people voting as poke votes? Honestly you've been saying this but you're skirting around actually voting for me so I'm confused as to why that hasn't been done yet. edit: There's plenty of time! I think that if you've got any reason to suspect someone even if it's a small reason you should bring it up and also vote on them. This is how the village gets its info.

Oh yeah anybody I didn't mention, I just do not have a read on at the moment so off the top of my head that includes you, shadow, Wiz, TUN,

Reads!!: Village: Bookwyrm, xino, Alv, Wiz, Dannex, illwei, Cinnamon Bookwyrm: I've been going back and forth on them for a while and I decided last night that they are evil but their xino vote and subsequent unvote has completely changed my perspective. xino: Just don't feel as though his tone at that D1 EoD was e!xino (comparing to LG89!xino's D1 EoD). Also in a game with a player size this large I would expect more support from elim teammates in terms of votes so the 4-3 D1 looks good for xino imo. Alv: Just don't see Alv killing Kas N1 (this read is tentative) Wiz: I like their bookwyrm vote/unvote and the rationale behind it Dannex: Dannex's D1 doesn't stand out to me in any particular way but their posts from last turn (re: effort clearing Kas) seem genuine and villagery. I'm not sure whether e!Dannex would want to put themself out there like that. illwei: What she said about this game and the game before being an experiment of sorts - I remember her noting in the elim doc last game that people V-read her even though she hadn't said much cuz usually all it takes to attract E-reads is for her to speak so I see what she means. This should technically be NAI but I'm inclined to lean village here and also her stance on xino looks village to me. Cinnamon: It's really just this post. I realise that teammates instructing newer players in the elim doc is a thing but I'm willing to take this at face value. Mild Village (borderline null+ actually): JNV, Devo JNV: I can actually never really tell with JNV but my gut says they're alright for now Devo: I think that vote retract at D1 EoD was uncharacteristic of e!Devo (especially if xino is village too). Mild Elim: Archivist, Silvereye, Mat, Shining, Conq Archivist: Their posts just seem not-village-like to me. They didn't vote C1 (which I would expect from elims if v!xino), and I've already brought up this post but the fact that they never followed up on the question is odd. And this post feels like a classic elim one-liner flip reaction post. Silvereye: Been side-eyeing them for a while now but the vibes still ain't there. I can see them teamed with Mat because they unvoted Mat once Dannex also voted Mat and at this stage having two votes meant likely death. Mat: Mat's posts overall this game seem a little...stiff? I don't have a better term to describe it but yes. Apart from that, I think at a couple of stages thus far he's implied knowledge of people's alignments - I might definitely be reaching, but in this post in response to Kas, he says: I think this statement seems more likely to come from a player talking to someone they know is village. Would v!Mat say this to Kas? v!Mat doesn't know Kas' alignment and should want to know Kas' reasons for voting a player, no? Would e!Mat, knowing Kas' alignment, say this? Maybe? I think so? I see the same thing in our PM where I feel a distinct lack of paranoia/suspicion directed towards myself - At the start of D1 I said I suspected Silvereye cuz of their reactionary vote and Mat pointed out that other players had done that too. Instead of singling this out as a reason to squint at me and my motivations and question why I hadn't considered the other players who had the same reactionary votes as equally suspicious, he seemed to accept my partly laid out reasons fairly quickly despite not sharing the view. I probably should not be hyper-focusing on this but I expect v!Mat to be more paranoid and more on-the-lookout for potential red flags. Shining: Their entire demeanour here seems less stressed than their previous village games so I wonder if its because this is e!Shining and they're relaxed cuz there's no solving to be done? Null- actually. If e!xino then v!Shining. Conq: This one's more of a null- as well for me but I think Conq just seems different to his previous games here. The fact that he's been less active is probably a factor, but I think he mentioned being busy irl so...yeah.

I think Matrim

Wasn't trying to pull a Baker, but it's a shame they killed Kas despite me and Dannex seeding some paranoia in-thread. Nice graphs, tineye . Thoughts on xino are that I'm leaning slight village. I'll be rereading the last cycle anyway and will come back with a more concise view.

^ This is what I was getting at, more-or-less.

Sucks that Ash was Mistborn RIP Ash @Kasimir to answer your question from last turn (and this turn) - I left my vote on Silvereye because I knew I wouldn't be on till after rollover and my vote seemed most productive on Silvereye cuz that created an 11-way tie close to rollover and I thought that'd make for some interesting EoD vote switches. And it did. My vote on TUN had nothing to do with whether I suspected TUN and I didn't want to have that be the leading train in any case. I don't think xino is elim and their posts near EoD read village enough to me. I agree with people saying Shining seemed indifferent to which one of Ash/xino died so side-eyeing Shining. Also suspecting Bookwyrm a little bit despite me reading them village last turn - I'll go ahead and say that Kas/Bookwyrm are not e/e. I don't know how I feel about Kas just yet but the vibes in my gut are slightly off. Don't want him out just yet, but I'll be keeping a close eye (geddit?? eyes haha) on him. He's been putting a lot of effort into his analysis which is good (still marvelling at that xino break-down) but I wonder if it has a deeper implication.

TUN Silvereye

Not gonna lie Shining's reads post is looking a whole lot like AG8 Hyena's D1 reads post just thought I'd point that out. edit: Meta question. Interesting, coming from a new player.

By the way, feeling good about this post. +1 Village point to you. @Matrim's Dice did you get the chance to check JNV's consistency regarding poke votes in previous games? edit: I'm assuming it's a pressure test

TUN

That is correct - I haven't been village for my last four games. So now are the chances of me being evil this game higher? Or lower? I have not forgotten </3 Thanks!

Happy birthday to Alv @Alvron

Signing up ;eyes;

Good work village Kinda ran out of options there

Really not a decision for me - it can only be xino

Someone pls say something isn’t the cycle ending in possibly four hours Xino double posting since it’s been ELEVEN hours Goodnight

Archer I love these write-ups xD It seems like a lot happened at EoD huh xD I thought my country's timezone was bad but this is worse. Good job guys. Illwei's protect was odd-cycled which means she could have used it last cycle so if anybody roleblocked illwei it might be a good idea to claim not absolutely not in-thread (maybe claim to someone you trust in PMs so that you don't get RB'd/NK'd by elims). Guess I'll ISO illwei: C1 C2 C3 Looking at last cycle I feel good about Conq as he pretty much led the exe on illwei. Before the shift to illwei, the VC was: Mat (3): Stick, Conq, Devotary Conq (3): Mat, Shining, Mark After Conq suggested everyone move to illwei and Mat joined (2 mins after), the VC was: Mat (2): Stick, Devotary Conq (2): Shining, Mark Illwei(2): Conq, Mat This was a critical moment, and Shining's vote on illwei broke the tie. Ordinarily I would take this to mean Shining conf vil but illwei's role (and the fact that it was an Odd-numbered cycle too), makes me hesitate. If illwei was indeed RB'd, I could see bus potential here. That aside, I don't see any reasons to not vote xino or mark this cycle. I could maybe consider Devo, but illwei's abstinence to voting for wiz when Devo was pretty close to leading the exe gives me pause.

Gah not yet Gimme literally just ten mins and ill be back with thoughts on C1 My role? Why do you need to know? What do we know about other people's roles? All I will say about Tani's is that she hadn't sent in any action orders. Might be roleless who knows edit: C1 thoughts - Conq voted on Mat put Mat in the lead with 2 votes so I'm gonna say Conq/Mat not e/e as that is risky play, especially for C1 Mat/Shining not e/e due to Mat being extremely unsubtle about defending them. Although, it's interesting that I come to this conclusion considering I've never played against e!Mat (or e!Shining for that matter) so I really should not be projecting my own elim meta onto them. Retracting this statement - Mat/Shining could indeed be e/e Devo's vote on JNV tied the votes 2-2 between Mat and JNV, and Mark's vote was, notably, the tiebreaker there so Mat/Mark possibly e/e, and Devo/Mat possibly e/e to a lesser extent Shining then joins the bandwagon but appears torn. Also puts out statements a little contradictory. hmmmm I'm tempted to read the hesitancy as village but?? Yeah. Question mark. edit2: Ended up taking 30 mins kek but in my defence I also had to read the rules first I really like the coin thing edit3: Okay sorry I reaaaally do not have time to go through C2 at the moment and it's 2 am so I'll throw my vote on Mat since he's the common denominator in all my c1 pairing reads and also I do not understand how the rollover time thing works but it is stressing me out so if people think there's good reasons I should not be voting Mat please tell me and I might switch over to another target if I see it in time. @Archer since I've edited a vote in

Hi guys!! I need to go read the rules plus read the first two cycles to see what’s up but be warned - I have exams and am also currently in Singapore sooo Will try not to replace inactivity with inactivity

Ohh cool that’s interesting didn’t know that I should probably be able to pinch hit, yeah