Magestar

Geez, y'all are going absolutely crazy.   

1 hour ago, TJ Shade said:

• Magestar: I'm unsure of him. He said it doesn't feel like I was the same as I was in LG66, but yet he claims I'm behaving odd. He had claimed the same thing in LG66 too, that my tone and my posts are odd. Why would it indicate that I'm an elim this time, Mage? 

Because you were village last time and your tone now is different from when you were village?  IIRC, I had a pretty village read on you all game LG66, except for paranoia near the end.    

1 hour ago, TJ Shade said:

Magestar: Weird to say they feel compelled to vote because of a poke. I feel like a villager shouldn't need to be poked to play. I would like him to answer the question I previously posed. Null.

Response above.    And I was saying that's how I act regardless of the game I'm in.

1 hour ago, TJ Shade said:

This! Why did everyone brush it off? Am I the only one seeing it as an attempt to bait out a claim from Elbereth? Why no worries that elims might read and attempt to block? Even if they don't, everyone would know Elbereth's role or the lack of it after his attempt to Squire as it seems he intended to reveal if it was success or not. As for him asking to be alignment scanned, someone already deduced he might be an Edgedancer, so he could make himself untargetable and waste a charge of the alignment-scanner. 

We are allowing him to Squire, but if he's an elim KR like I suspect he is, we're allowing him to Squire another elim before dying. Why aren't we considering this?  

I think the problem, in my mind, is that Ventyl's actions seem so out of the park weird that I can't see an Elim team allowing them to do them.  I guess that was the case in LG67 as well... I don't know.   I could see Ventyl being an Elim; the problem is I'd assume that a decent elim team wouldn't let Ventyl continue to act like this. 

1 hour ago, TJ Shade said:

Ventyl:  The main problem I have with Ventyl is he's so adamant to prove his role, but not his alignment. He did the exact same thing in LG66, where he swore he was a Leecher and even wanted to waste his actions to prove that he was one, but the fact that he's telling the truth about his role does not translate to his claim as a villager. Here are a few warning signs I saw from his posts:

• Makes a claim despite being warned not to. Gives no good reason as to why he claimed. 
• Main question to Ventyl supporters: Why would he intentionally put himself in harms way from the elims by claiming? What could he possibly gain?
• His willingness to Squire someone to prove his role (again, role, not alignment) is suspicious. He seems to have no qualms of Squiring an elim by chance.

Ah.  See, this isn't wrong.  This is exactly what Ventyl did in LG67.  The question for me is whether it's how they act as an Elim, or just how they act.  I'll move my vote to Ventyl for now, just to stir things up and lower the lead on TJ.  I might move it back before the end of the cycle.

4 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

I'm trying to walk the line between outright claiming and not saying at all, since people have not at all considered that I could be a KR too. 

Nooo.  No you're not.  You're claiming, or at least pretending to.  And the cycle still has over a half a day left.  This is what made me suspect you this cycle.  You just seem really frantic for some reason, and it's very different to me from how you acted in the previous game I was in with you.

I guess I'd appreciate a second opinion.  Is it just me reading TJ this way?

17 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

TJ thought me saying there were “24(ish)” players when there are, in fact, exactly 24 players was suspicious. Which I kinda understand. Everyone else... not so much.

I'm voting for TJ is because they're as good a lynch as anyone.  Their lynch will give us some information, I don't see a better one, and some of TJ's posts seem a little uncharacteristically frantic.  That seems pretty decent for D1.    

9 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

I can see TJ's point there. It makes me feel a little off about Ash. I don't support the TJ lynch here.

I still don't see TJ's point.  It just seemed like grasping at straws to me.

3 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

Another aspect to the scenario is squires: if Ventyl's lynched today, they'll not have had a chance to get a squire, and so we'll lose a valuable role. I think that delaying lynching Ventyl for just a bit, in case they are a radiant, is the best call. I doubt the elims can make squires, so the team's probably either a handful of knights or a bunch of vanillas. Maybe some people could have Honorblades? Idk. Anyways, I'm swinging towards letting Ventyl live for squiring.

Why would you doubt the Elims can make squires?  I didn't see anything in the rules that would even suggest that.  Where are you getting Honorblades from?  If Ventyl's an Elim KR, wouldn't it make sense to kill them sooner rather than later, so they don't squire?  I'm so confused.

And I've been ninja'd a half dozen times.    Whatever.

1 hour ago, TJ Shade said:

Hey, I've learnt that I should never dismiss my paranoid self.

Seriously though, why would he ask that question? Sure seems specific, doesn't it? 

I mean, it was weird.  Your response was just also weird. 

47 minutes ago, Gears said:

Also thinks role analysis is alignment indicative, which I still don't understand. Someone, please explain how that is the case. Null read.

I might have said this before, but for me it's because role analysis such as yours is a good way to look like you're contributing while also playing it extremely safe.  It's a good way for Elims to hide.  This isn't always the case, and it's not something to put all your bets on either. But last game I was in I was suspicious of Xino for doing the same thing and they flipped Elim.  And it's not necessarily bad reasoning for C1.   

Gears' posts are kind of odd to me.  Is this their first game?

The TJ lynch is certainly moving along.  @Straw, could I get a vote count?  I think TJ is as good an option as anyone at this point.  I'd also consider Matrim.  I'd rather not lynch Gears yet if this is their first game.

@StrikerEZ I keep wanting to try and extend my posts to over 200 words. 

3 minutes ago, Straw said:

If you're voting for TJ, please use "TJ Shade" or bold it since it's kind of hard to see. In general, bolding votes would be nice.

Ah, sorry about that.  

Well, this post is probably going to be a little rough.  The shard has now eaten it twice.  Third time's the charm, I suppose?

9 hours ago, Elbereth said:

It’s interesting to know that votes actually motivate you to post! I don’t think I’ve heard anyone say that yet. Is that true for poke votes before you’ve even posted at all, too? Because I can see it later in the game, certainly, but I still struggle to see someone look at the thread for the first time and then just decide not to post, whether or not they have a vote on them. 
(And I’m not going to go on more about this but I also very much think that poke votes of that kind are way less useful and give the elims the ability to hide behind not having opinions or doing anything risky like being suspicious. Will expand on that only if asked.)

So you like role analysis when it’s directed at how the village can use them, but not general role analysis. Which would you say Gears’ falls into? 

Eh, I said I wouldn't talk about this anymore.  Oh well. 

Regardless of alignment, although especially as an Elim, there's not necessarily a lot of incentive for me to post early and often.  If I see a "poke" vote on me, however, it means that I'm already on people's minds.  I tend to view the thread a lot before I post normally, so it's not unlikely that people will see me viewing the thread.  If there's a vote on me, I see it, and I don't post, it looks bad.  So it might just be a me thing, but having votes on me makes me nervous, and encourages me to post faster, rather than letting things simmer.  This is especially the case given how often people get C1 elim reads on me. 

A good example is Araris' first vote on me in LG66.  He'd probably say it was a stab vote.  But I normally wouldn't have posted yet, and instead would have taken some time to analyze things a bit more.  Instead, I decided to post dismissing his vote.

On that note; I do think poke votes are NAI.  Araris' stab vote on me in LG66 is a good example.  I think you'd say that's the more useful kind of vote, but Araris was a kandra in LG66.  There's no reason Elims can't do either kind of vote.

Anyway.  Interesting discussion, if not terribly useful.     

9 hours ago, Elbereth said:

So you like role analysis when it’s directed at how the village can use them, but not general role analysis. Which would you say Gears’ falls into? 

I feel like Gears' hasn't really said much besides extrapolating information from the roles.  There's not a lot in there that really helps the village, IMO.

4 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

This seems very odd. You would know the no. of players if you looked at the players list, and it seems that you had. You even knew the correct no. of players but suffixed it with an (ish). Why? If you had chosen 20-ish or 25-ish , but you specifically chose 24, the correct no. of players and downplayed your knowledge of that. Why? This may seem nitpicky, but well, elims can let slip the smallest of things even subconsciously, so nitpicky I shall be. Ashbringer.

4 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

This seems like an oddly specific question to ask, An elim-y question even. Is there any specific reason you asked this? 

This seems very odd.  Ash's thing isn't really suspicious at all.    You could say it seems a little like couching, but even villagers do that.  I do that.  And the second quote seems like grasping at straws.  Don't let the paranoia overtake you, TJ.   

Hmm.  What else.  Ventyl's odd behavior seems normal for what I've seen of Ventyl, although they were an Elim in the only game I've played with them, so it's hard to say.  The thing with Matrim and Striker is a little odd, but not necessarily alignment indicative.  Could be a distancing tactic if they're both Elims, but that's a stretch this early.  I'll throw a vote on TJ for now.

Good grief.  You guys are so talkative.    Shame my shift started at one today.

4 hours ago, Elbereth said:

(and also if I were a whichever-has-scans in this particular game, I would do absolutely no alignment scans because I’m village and ridiculously excited about it and I’m determined to solve this game the old fashioned way ). 

I appreciate this.  My goal for the previous game I was in, this game, and future games is to hone my analysis skills, which I feel are somewhat lacking.  It's something to do during quarantine, anyway.   

So uh.  Is this poke vote debate thing new?  I don't think I've seen it before.  I remember the "typical" poke vote being the norm.   

Anyway, I don't think it's really a big deal. It seems to be between people who vote to get people to post and people who vote to get people to post, through slightly different methodology.  I like the discussion driving votes, such as El's; they definitely have good reasoning behind them.  They stir the pot, get discussion moving.  That's good.    But I also don't really see anything wrong with the "I voted on you because you haven't posted yet" thing either.  It gives a little pressure; not much, but it's there for sure.  I'm always more likely to post if I have a vote on me, anyway.  I don't think it's necessary to differentiate those and other kinds of poke votes.  I think "poke" vote describes both fairly well, although the term stab vote amuses me.  People have different styles, and I think this is more of a stylistic thing.

And those are all my thoughts on the matter, and it's probably all I'll say.  While it's certainly an interesting topic conceptually, it's something I don't think is terribly useful to finding Elims.   

55 minutes ago, Sart said:

I fundamentally disagree with your assertion that role analysis posts are NAI. They are absolutely indicative of alignment. Yes, Gears said that he wrote his post before the game started, but if he was an elim, you can modify those posts to encourage poor strategies. By analyzing the ruleset, we analyze player's thoughts, and can detect role and alignment.

7 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

The reason I consider role analysis posts NAI is that the person posting them has nothing at stake (and thus there is no reason for an elim to give away information), and their post isn't helping solve the game (something a village would want to do). These are the main two things that make me think someone is one alignment or the other.

On a personal note, I rarely read through role analysis posts because I largely find them about as useful as poke votes. People should usually do their own thinking about how to best use their role.

I have to agree with Sart on this one.  I personally tend to think that a lot of "unkeyed" role analysis, where you just analyze the roles without giving suggestions, leans a little more Elim, especially in newer players.  It's a good way to seem like you're helping while really just hiding.  On the other hand, analysis specifically directed towards helping the village, with specific points on what certain roles mean to the village and how they should be used, leans a little more village for me.  This is mostly the case in newer players, and is sort of a general thing.  It's not always accurate, but it does influence my suspicions.

Other things... I don't have a lot of other thoughts immediately.  I like what El's doing, but I don't think it's terribly alignment indicative given that it's El doing it.  I might share some other suspicions later in the cycle, but I'll probably hold back for a bit and see where things go.

I will definitely vote by the end of the cycle.  Today's been a long and busy day for me, but tomorrow is my day off so hopefully I'll be able to post more.

5 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

I think the vests were the other big reason we lost; literally the entire village except the mislynch candidates had vests by the end.

Also, I think the Archivist could be turned down a bit. When there's only a few players left, that ability is ABSURD. Maybe have the chance to repeat bits of information? So you could end up learning someone's role twice?

I didn't really get a chance to experience the Archivist ability, really, and I don't think I'm really knowledgeable enough about balance to comment, but I am curious; what were the sort of things that were options for the Archivist to learn?  Anything that any of the other info-grabbing roles in the game could learn?  Was there also some useless info mixed in?

22 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

If it was 4 players left with the Kandra, then I would have won this game Mage  it ended with me and 4 villagers.

Frankly, I think you did well enough to have won.    Idk if in that scenario the village would have won or the Kandra, though.  I was picturing 1-2 Elims and 2-3 villagers, not the 4 villagers: there, I think I personally would give the village precedence.  It would be a close one.

And dang, I feel like nearly everyone has commented that the bulletproof vest is too powerful.    

I've seen a couple of these Twinborn name charts.  I don't really like any of the names for Augur/Brute I've seen, but Augmenter is the most amusing.    Quite punny.

4 minutes ago, Mist said:

@Magestar, I bought the Lerasium bead. I'm a Slider and a Thug now.

...

Well, I suppose Reginald is glad he ended up killing you then.   

6 hours ago, Young Bard said:

Boxings/Items - probably the majority of my job for this game was checking to see how many boxings people had earned, so that they could buy things at the Black Market. For how much the Black Market was used (4 Bulletproof Vests, 2 Steel Traps, 1 Charged Spike, 1 Uncharged Spike and 1 Lerasium Bead), I'm not really sure it was worth it. In a future edition, I'd say you have 2 options - either get rid of boxings and items entirely, or do the exact opposite and make them a more central part of the mechanics of the game. You have the Steel Trap as a one-time roleblock item - you could easily add to that and have one-time vote manipulation items, and other cheaper goods people can buy as well, for example.

Someone bought the Lerasium bead?

What.

I actually am really fond of the boxings and items mechanic.  Even if you ignore the fact that items are awesome, having a reward for posts of a certain length and quality definitely encourages activity and analysis.  Sure, it lead to a couple rather rambly posts and a couple of people splitting their posts into 200 word blocks, but overall I think that it was worth is and conceptually is a good idea.  I also sold my charged spike, so that's another time it was used.

6 hours ago, Young Bard said:

Kandra - Ash did really well here, given what a poor starting position they had. Striker and Araris already talked a little bit about changes for the next round. Striker's said if/when he runs this game again he'd like to make killing the Kandra part of the Village wincon. I... am not sure this necessarily needs to be the case. Making the Kandra's death part of the Village wincon means there's more of a target painted on their back, so you'd need to make the Kandra stronger as a result, but that paints even more of a target on their back and so on... I feel a better alternative would be like the Carved Red from MR17 - the Village doesn't have to kill them to win, but if neither the Village nor the Elims achieve their win cons first, and the game gets to 3/4 players or less plus the Kandra, the Kandra kills the remaining players and wins. So they start out not a threat, and then steadily becomes more and more of one as the game heads into the late-game. Plus, that keeps the auto-balancing feature of SK's I really like, in that they essentially end up supporting whoever the underdog happens to be at that point in the game and bringing an unbalanced game back into balance.

I sort of agree that the Kandra needs some work, but I liked the element of difficulty playing the Kandra had in this game.  I don't think the Kandra should have to die or anything  for the village to win though.  Maybe adding something like you said, where the Kandra wins at 2-4 players left besides the Kandra would work.  But the fun for me would definitely come from how difficult it is to win as the kandra.  There could definitely be changes, but I think that should be the core.  It shouldn't be too easy to win as an SK. 

Roles... I liked that there were so many possible role distributions in this game.  This game could easily be run a dozen times and be different every time, because of how many different roles there are.  With twinborn, the possibilities only increase.  Some of the Feruchemy roles could probably be re-worked; I agree that spinner is a little lackluster, and a few of the self-target scanning roles could probably be altered slightly.  There just seemed to be a lot of them. 

The bulletproof vest was probably too powerful rather than too low-priced.  I think at most it should be the thugs ability in item form.  A guaranteed night of being unkillable is super strong.  Usually two nights and the possibility of three nights is kind of ridiculous, especially for roles which already have protection, like mine.    

15 hours ago, Straw said:

The game will start a little over a week from now, on July 1st at 1:00 PM EST. 1:00 PM EST will probably be the normal rollover time. This game should not end up overlapping with QF45 or LG66.

Woah, a reasonable rollover time.    

I'll join.  Sign me up as Mantle.

4 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

@Magestar, that was a scrappy, scrappy victory for the village so I won't enjoy it much. What was with you and all the vote-hopping in the end lol ? You almost cost us the game   It was great to co-ordinate and play alongside you. Guess we did cause some confusion with you protecting Pyro or not lol .

I wanted the Lerasium.    I had just gotten enough boxings for it and I figured we could kill Mist in the night cycle and then I could have the Lerasium.  I wasn't too concerned about winning at this point anyway.    But then I figured that probably wouldn't be fair to the other villagers if we ended up losing somehow.  Oh well.

I don't know how scrappy it was.    Lucky, yes, weird, yes.  But I think after a certain point we were pretty much guaranteed a win.  When you and I both got vests and figured out Mist was an Elim it became almost impossible for the Elims to win IMO.  I at least feel I would eventually have turned on Pyro if Ash hadn't killed him.   

4 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

Pyro, I never had any intentions of giving you the vest, I just didn't know how to say "No" without being blunt, so I kept making excuses. 

Yeah I also was never going to protect Pyro.    I was kinda hoping to get to the point where there was only one player left who didn't have any form of protection so I could use my three-charge on them, and kill the final Elim.

7 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

I had figured Mist’s Village Core Elim had to be Pyro, because it couldn’t be TJ the Coinshot and Mage made no sense. I was trying to get you to confirm that by pushing his kill.

I honestly didn’t mean to kill you Pyro. That’s what I was trying to tell Mist in my overly-cryptic message about my action failing. I submitted a kill on Pyro, then went to change it to Mage at the last minute (literally), only for someone IRL to ask me something and make me put my phone down... then as soon as I get the chance to type the little popup of Striker closing the turn came...

Then I thought that would be a really wierd night with 4 attacks and survives (Pyro surviving my hit, me surviving Mage’s retribution, Mage surviving TJ’s hit, and Mist surviving the Elim hit.) But no, you died and then it was over for Mist.

The result, however, is that me and Araris killed more Elims than the village put together 

Araris hit Xino (Kandra 1, PRE 0). Village!Me started the Ventyl lynch and Kandra!Me made sure to finish it (Kandra 2, PRE 0). Both me AND TJ hit Kynedath (Kandra 2.5, PRE 0.5). TJ hit Kidpen (Kandra 2.5, PRE 1.5). I hit Pyro (Kandra 3.5, PRE 1.5). Finally Mist, for a total of:

Kandra 3.5, PRE 2.5

Well this is hilarious.    Kinda disapointed about that TBH.  I'm rather pleased that my gut reads about Xino, Kynedath, and Kidpen were all right.  My analysis kinda sucked this game, but that was pretty decent. 

Good job as Kandra.    That must have been tough.  I had fun reading through your Doc, where you basically said some variant of "It's over." almost every turn.

It was also fun reading the Spec doc lol.  It was amusing, if not entirely gratifying, seeing it parallel - or possibly preempt - my own posts about my experience and the Joe game.    

And dang Mist was active in the Elim doc.  That was surprising to me, given how quiet they were in thread.  

edit: for some reason the bottom half of my post got eaten?  Ok...

Great game everyone!  Striker, Bard, great job on this game.  All the write-ups were excellent, especially this last one.  The game felt really well balanced as well, although I admit that I don't know a lot about that.  I think my favorite part about the game was the activity incentive inherent in the boxings system.  I'm a huge fan of activity incentives, for the most part, and items are great.  I think it definitely made the game better.  I enjoyed the game from most other perspectives as well; RP was great, gameplay was great, and the mechanics were fun.  I hope I didn't bother you guys too much with my clarification questions.    

Eh.  This is probably not the best idea.  Mist.  Sorry lol

I'll throw a vote on Lahilt for a bit.   

1 minute ago, Mist said:

No. I'm just up for the lynch. Edit:

Well if Lahilt hadn't voted for you I'd have tied up the lynch for the lols.    Kinda too late now tho.

I believe the vote count is currently:

Mist (4): TJ Shade, Magestar, Ashbringer, Lahilt

Lahilt: (1): Mist

20 minutes ago, Mist said:

You don't have to lynch me.

Are you admitting to being the last Elim?   

1 hour ago, Ashbringer said:

As for anything else to say... Mage, why do you suddenly think I'm suspicious? I Pulsed last night as requested, and it appears to have worked. 

What do you mean it appears to have worked? 

And for what it's worth, I'm not suddenly suspicious of you, I've been moderately suspicious of you on and off all game.    I'm also pretty sure I haven't expressed very many new suspicions of you this cycle... do you have something specific in mind?

1 hour ago, Ashbringer said:

Also, isn't Lahilt's apparent role always self-target? Or did Pyro tell us different things?

The question is whether or not we can trust Pyro's info.

1 hour ago, TJ Shade said:

Gahh, I told you this as soon as Emi flipped village Tineye. 

I thought you were doubting the likelihood of two Tineyes existing.    My bad.  Not like it would really have changed what we'd done anyway.  It wasn't anything we could prove, and role-based alignment guessing isn't always super accurate.   I don't think being a tineye is necessarily alignment indicative.

edit: I realize that such an assumption also makes no sense, since PMs were still open.  -sigh-

7 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

@Magestar, so we only have Pyro's word to believe about Lahilt's role. He could easily have been lying about following Lahilt to cover the fact the Lahilt is a Slider. I really do not know. Also, do you want to get rid of the kandra first? To prevent the kandra from siding with the elim during voting? 

I actually think we should just lynch Mist.  I don't know if Mist is an Elim, but unless there were seven Elims, as long as you and I are both alive they can't win, right?  So we should be pretty good.  I just need you to not Lander the last player you mention on the seventh page of our PM with Pyro before Pyro says LOL.    You can pick another player you think it might be useful to Lander, just not that one.

I don't know what's up with this whole slider thing.  Didn't we have info that Lahilt self-targeted, making their role claim pretty likely?

What I don't understand is Mist's claim.  Why would you even use an RB on Lahilt?  It doesn't make a lot of sense.  Especially since the trap was used during the day cycle.  It makes me even more suspicious of Mist.

I'm kind of in a weird place though because if we kill Mist today and they're the last Elim, the game ends.    And I'm kinda enjoying it too much to want it to end.

8 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

As for why I started suspecting Pyro so late, I didn’t get info until “so late”. Emi had PM’d me her role easily, which made our last lynch not make sense, and I had been thinking for a while there could be an Elim Tineye. I didn’t put it together what that meant until the leak suggested an Elim in our Village Core.

That makes sense.  Looking back, an Elim Tineye makes a lot of sense.  Too bad I didn't see it sooner.

31 minutes ago, Mist said:

I think there may be an elim!Slider. I targeted someone to roleblock with a steel trap. It ended up on Magestar.

Well.

Now would be a good time to say who you targeted.  Really no reason not to.

Yeah.  It’s a little odd.  I guess in my case they could have thought I was bluffing about the vest.  For kidpen, maybe they just missed it?  That could be the case for either, really.

Idk.

2 hours ago, Lahilt said:

Magestar what I wanted to ask was did you roleclaim to Pyro in PM giving the Elims a reason to use a steel trap on you.

Pyro knew I was an Augur if that's what you're asking.

27 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

If you need someone to post so you can post

Thanks TJ.    

So, here are a couple of odd things. The Elims have done a lot of things that seem a little random, or a little odd.  First, it looks like they go after inactives.  Then their MO changes, and they hit a few active players.  They attack me twice, for some reason.  The weirdest thing to me is the Ventyl lynch.  Pyro pushes a lynch on Ventyl, bringing up the fact that the whole "they lied about their role" thing, despite being their teammate.

There's a couple possible explanations here.  First off, Pyro could have revealed early Ash's suspicions in order to weaken them, knowing that Ventyl was in fact a Leecher.  Kind of odd given that Pyro continued to push that lynch.  A possibility, though.

The second possible explanation is that the whole thing was a ploy by Ash and Pyro and Ventyl, all being Elims, to bus Ventyl and clear themselves.  This would be a little odd given how vehemently Ventyl defended themselves, and subsequently attacked Ash.

The whole situation was odd.  I don't really know what's more likely.  Given that Pyro bused, I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if Ash was part of it.  But I'm unsure.  It could have been a botched attempt at a bus or a sort of gambit. 

Pyro also put "the deciding vote" on Ventyl.  I think this was likely a ploy, given the canceled vote that cycle was likely from Pyro storing.  But the problem with that is that if Pyro hadn't stored, and had put their vote on Mist, they could have tied the lynch.  I guess that Pyro could have been worried about being implicated if they voted for Mist but Ventyl got lynched.  It just seems odd to me.  Ventyl was active, and many Elims were not; why bus them?

Finally, I’m going to note that if I’m assuming the Elims may have bused Ventyl, my reasons for having a village read on Lahilt basically go out the window.  All I'm really left with is a village gut read.

Here's another thing; I feel we've been ignoring the possibility that the last Elim and the Kandra are the same individual.  It's a definite possibility.

Jeez I’m feeling paranoid.  I'm going to put a vote on Mist for the moment.  If these past couple posts look a little odd, it's probably because I wrote them all as one giant post over the course of several hours and then segmented them, posted parts of them, and edited the later parts as I went.   

39 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Well, yeah you were right to be paranoid about Pyro. I'm upset, Mage. I got pocketed in my very first (complete) game despite me convincing myself that I've taken all measures to prevent the very thing. Right now, if we win I don't feel like we deserve it. Feel like this trusting Pyro thing is my fault, since I told him I had role-claimed to you, and you were roped in as well. 

That's fair, I suppose.  I'm not really suspicious of you.  The tone of some of your posts is just a little odd.    

So, I'm going to do what everyone else has probably already done and go over the list of remaining players and do some quick analysis.  Nothing too in-depth because going through all the posts at this point would take an eternity.

4 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

.....this was a mistake. I didn’t notice it in my blind panic about the fact that the shard kept crashing while I was trying to do rollover.

Yeah I noticed that.  It took me like three tries to get one post out; I can't imagine what it was like trying to do rollover.    Fantastic writeup, by the way.  I love what you did with Pyria.  I do want to kill Darson though.    

Alright.  I'm going to use this post to clear the air around this cycles stuff, and get some info out there to work with.

5 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

Noooo Mage, we had a good thing going. You were right though, to be paranoid. I could say I saw it coming but I'd be lying out of my teeth if I said that. I did notice something was off though - like him asking me to buy the bead and pass it on to him or him asking me to buy the vest and pass it on to him but I brushed it off, and I'm an idiot for that.

Pyro, you storming Sadeas. I have another level of respect for you after this game. Very well played. Elims really deserve to win here, if only because of your effort. You're very unlucky that in your appeal to be a villager, you also convinced the kandra that you are the villager, and they took you out trying to balance. You actually ended up helping us xD This betrayal will definitely help me improve as a player.

You're never keeping group PMs again when you GM, right?

24 Hour Day Turn? I don't mind, I'm just asking for confirmation.

@Magestar, I've tried to be completely honest with you in PMs. If you find any discrepancy, please feel free to ask me. You were the one who initiated a PM with me, and I've been truthful to the best of my knowledge. It is paramount that we understand the importance of each others' survival. We do not have to trust each other, just understand that in case we both are villagers, we need to survive till the end. To further reiterate my point, I'm willing to claim I'm the Coinshot. Almost everyone knows at this point. You, Ash, the remaining teammate of Pyro. The only person who doesn't know is a villager and it only hurts if village does not know I'm the Coinshot. If there is a counter-claim, only then will I state my targets and I have enough proof to discredit the counter-claimer. Hope this is a step in the right direction. 
@Ashbringer, it's highly likely that you're the kandra, so I ask the villager not to trust Ash. If you're not, I ask you to use your spike ability on me to clear you, but I don't think you'll do that. 

Mage, we need to be unified in our votes, if not (kandra+elim) could lynch one of us. Villager, please please do not vote for one of us as (kandra+elim) could easily jump on us and we'd get lynched. 

For now, Mist. Could you possibly give out any information that would help us prove you're village? (Ash, the reason I'm asking you to spike me is because, in case Mist flips village, I'd have to go for Lahilt in the night, I'm scared they have some sort of protection. So I'd like to double-tap them.)

I'm extremely angry at myself and it's frustrating, but it is what it is.

...TJ I trust you more than anyone else, but the tone of this post is really odd.    I was right to be paranoid?  The Elims deserve to win?  You're freaking me out mate.

Anyway, I can at least confirm that the people TJ has told me he'd target have been dying, starting with Kidpen and going up to Mist.  Assuming that there's no shenanigans going on - which is a terrible thing to assume, really - it's impossible for TJ to have attacked both the people he said he would and the other's who have died.  There's no way TJ could have attacked me this cycle or the previous cycle, and I don't think the Elims would have a coinshot on their side, so I'm fairly confident that TJ is village.

The odd thing is that there's no reason Pyro would have attacked me.  They knew I had a vest.  At least, I mentioned it several times in group PMs with Pyro, so I'd expect Pyro to have known.  Very odd.

Ash and TJ also knew that I had a vest.  The four of us had a group PM.

@Ashbringer, you PMed me last cycle saying that Pyro might be an Elim.  You've explained why you sent the info so late, but I'd love to know where you got that information.  I'm a little confused by your explanation as well.  I think at this point it's best to be fairly open with information.

@Mist. I know you targeted me last day cycle.  That was also the cycle I was roleblocked out of my Augury.  Why did you target me?

I'm fairly certain there aren't seven Elims.  That seems a little much.  So, I guess what I'm saying is I hope there aren't seven  Elims.    So there's probably only one left.  Given that, the Elims can't win until, on the outside, there are three players left.  There are currently six players left.  With one lynch this cycle, and one kill next cycle (kind of unlikely given how many people have protection). We're down to four.  If there are seven elims, we lose instantly.    If there aren't, we still have a chance.

8 hours ago, Lahilt said:

 @Magestar did you roleclaim to anybody before last round?

Lahilt, I roleclaimed to the rusting thread.    Everyone knows my role.

I'll do some RP next, followed by some analysis and a vote when I have time.