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One thing I haven't heard about discussed is how the loss of mythology and major cultural differences as we veer into Shardic/Cosmere focus can affect the feeling of 'realness' in Roshar. Of the top of my head things like: Elithanathile, the tenth name of the Almighty The 10 Fools The Silver Cities The Lifebrother mentioned by Szeth The mystery of Dawnsingers/Voidbringers Things like that added to the mystery and feeling of Roshar as a world feeling more lived in in tWoK and WoR. As we get some of the answers, it does demystify past events, but I feel these anachronisms are discussed fewer and fewer. I think a lot of these could be mentioned more and highlight cultural differences in order to give characters/places a feeling of their own, whereas it seemed a lot of characters spoke with the same/similar voice. As an aside, it felt like a lot of characters who reveal ways of the past, like the Heralds and Fused seem to have no mythology or cultural traditions of their own - it felt very much like "this is how it was, this is what we did" and I'd expect the Singers and Ashynites to have cultural norms and discrepancies of their own. Sorry it might have been rambling, but I do think losing out on a lot of this in favour of reveals/big changes might be one reason Roshar feels more modern and characters feel less distinct than they did once upon a time.
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A few points from reading: I think we have little to no idea who wrote the Epigraphs, as most of the candidates would 'know' about their mission (unless they meant their true mission with the Wind) It's interesting that the Oathgate spren specifically mentioned freedom from Honor and Odium and NOT Cultivation On that - Taravangian knows Sja-Anat was seeking freedom from Odium, so I don't know if she factors into things a different way than before. Then again the change in Vessel likely caused Wind to be more active so maybe he's stepped back from things on Roshar a bit - I'm sure we'll find out soon Did I read right that Shallan used 'dead' Testament to open an Oathgate? I wonder what implications this has for her rebonding Testament or for Maya on that matter Intrigued to see where Sigzil's story goes - WoB is that most of what happens to turn him into Nomad will be this book, so within 9 more days he will have to break with the Windrunners, become a Skybreaker AND claim a Dawnshard which seems like a big ask. I can see Kaladin's story going pretty much any way (death, ascension, something new) EXCEPT him just settling down to be a therapist.
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Following Tress, we have established terminology for two types of bond in the Cosmere: Nahel Bond: Where there is an exchange in the Cognitive Realm Luhel Bond: Where there is an exchange in the Physical Realm Following Realmatic Theory, it would be likely that there is a third bond formed across the Spiritual Realm, though we have yet to get the terminology for that or see what that looks like...or have we? I suspect the Aviar bond is a type of Spiritual Bond as: There is no Physical exchange between the Aviar and their partner The Aviar and partner both exist in the Physical Realm entirely (although one could argue that the bond increases the intelligence of the Aviar) Hence we know there is some kind of bond between the Aviar and their partner, yet not one that seems to fit within the structure we have seen so far. I suspect it may be an example of a Spiritual Connection causing the yet unseen third type of bond, but I am willing to hear any arguments against this theory!
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Yep, he confirmed it here https://wob.coppermind.net/events/460/#e14625
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Agreed with all your points about how capable Moash is as an assassin. But near the end it was mentioned that some Heavenly Ones found Moash and took him away, presumably safely back into Odium's territory.
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Just want to weigh in on this. Being an assassin isn't about quantity, but quality of the kill. Moash has been shown to be entrusted towards important targets: Elhokar Jezrien Navani (With a Kaladin side-mission) Sure, Jasnah has killed more random mooks, but Moash is the one that Rayse sent to do these high priority missions.
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I think the Unmade are related to why the Spren betrayed the Singers. Given also that we know Ba-Ado-Mishram was heavily Connected to all of Roshar and her sealing was a big issue for spren and singers alike, my pet theory is she was the spren of Roshar (the continent or the planet). Given that Bondsmith Spren seem to represent big features of the world, I initially thought the Sibling would end up being the Roshar-spren, but if BAM is that deeply Connected, it makes sense why her sealing had so much influence on things.
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Dangling Plot Threads - What Will We Find In Book 5
DracostarA replied to Crylorenzo's topic in Stormlight Archive
I think one thing that's likely to progress is finding out how Cognitive Shadows get offworld. Thaidakar and Kalak are both after that secret and Odium plans on armies of the fused travelling the stars and since we have Zahel present on Roshar who is proof that this is possible, that could be a way to uncover this. -
I'm pretty sure the words were said by Dalinar given the quote above.
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So WoB has mentioned that Microkinesis (the movement of small objects) was a form of magic present on Yolen. Khriss refers to it in the same Ars Arcanum: She said this regarding Stoneshaping, so I assume she means that this is more dangerous than Stoneshaping, which I can see for obvious reasons.
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One thing to mention against the case of 'He Who Quiets' This quote from Oathbringer indicates that Vyre MEANS 'He Who Quiets' and it does not behave as a title. So I doubt this is the correct option for El.
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Could it be this from the Part 3 Epigraphs from Raboniel? EDIT: Oops wait I just saw it's been mentioned above, never mind.
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Right at the start of Part 4 you can find a piece of art with three glyphs. One translates to 'Tanavast', one to 'Rayse' and one to 'Koravellium Avast'
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Regarding this, one of the pieces of art in RoW heavily implied that her name is actually Koravellium Avast
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Which was "the scene" Brandon mentioned
DracostarA replied to Czernobog's topic in Stormlight Archive
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theory Voidbinding is of both Odium and Honor (Discuss)
DracostarA replied to KandraAllomancer's topic in Cosmere Discussion
If we compare to Scadrial, where there were 2 shards causing 3 separate magic systems, I think realistically there will be 3 different sets of magic ; Honor + Cultivation = Surgebinding, Honor + Odium = Voidbinding and Cultivation + Odium = Something. We haven't seen any individual magic systems yet so I assume that each Shard lacks an inidividual magic system, although I think a magic system comprised of all 3 is possible. In addition, I think the Old Magic is something very different and is done by work of the Nightwatcher only (this may relate to Ashyn) and not a standardised magic system.- 12 replies
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I do think Taravangian says that because he doesn't want to tell Wit. We're not sure about the rules of being a Shard but I think Taravangian considering himself Odium is far more likely for him to do than deny that he was Rayse or something. Personally though, I do think Odium's intent has changed somewhat to get closer to Passion but we'll have to wait till Book 5 for any confirmation on that.
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I think they specified it was to do with Navani and her Light. I'm pretty sure this is why Vyre was blinded.
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I had an interesting thought. When Odium was negotiating with Taravangian at the end of Oathbringer he says However the first thing Taravangian thinks about is finding loopholes in the contract with Dalinar. Maybe this was a quirk of Rayse's own character as opposed to the nature of Shardic contracts or the Shard's Intent.
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I think it's far more likely that the title was Voice of Lights. It's a gender neutral title and Raboniel thinks El would be interested in some of Navani's work. In addition it is made clear he is a scholar, rather than an assassin like the title 'He who Quiets' implies.
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Speculation: Taravangian's curse still applies
DracostarA replied to The Kings Raven's topic in Stormlight Archive
I don't think the curse applies simply because he appeared incredibly stupid and Passionate on the day he Ascended, but immediately after Ascension he seemed competent if not even smart. I think as a Shard he overrides any previous changes and perhaps this TaravOdium has the true intelligence and Passion of the original, and Cultivation's curse just amplified his Passion enough that he could gain connection to the Shard only. -
We have a tonne of Death Rattles from the Epigraphs of Way of Kings, and a lot of them have come to pass already. Some of them however, have not, and I suspect most of them will occur in Book 5, while maybe one or two are saved for Book 10. I think these two relate to the contest of champions proposed. My theory is that Taravangian forces a child to 'willingly' be his champion and forces a forfeit or draw from Dalinar, as it is not honourable to murder a child no matter the circumstance. I think this is the loophole that Taravangian has seen. I think this Death Rattle links to that as well. We also have a few Death Rattles we still haven't seen yet. The second one here I had assumed before to be Taravangian watching Kharbranth fall, but now it's unlikely, or alternatively it could still be him depending on how Book 5 goes. It could also be someone else but I have no idea whom, I personally feel this could be one reserved for the second half of the series. There are a few Death Rattles related to the Unmade which we haven't seen yet. I don't know what part these play, but I do think at least one of the Unmade has some influence on Ishar's madness, as it seems very different from Nale, Jezrien, Kalak, Shallash and Taln and how their madness has been expressed so far.
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I disagree with Kelsier only because of Hemalurgy. He has a spike through one eye and I think by the nature of Hemalurgy it needs something to be spiked to. I doubt it would be anything to do with Investiture because that would suggest some link with Harmony, which is unlikely since Harmony doesn't seem to have much idea what he's up to now.
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I think he's actually different. The Heralds and Returned are Cognitive Shadows attached back to their original bodies, much like Szeth but I guess they need more Investiture. Unlike them, we know Kelsier can't be in his original body, he might be in a mistwraith/kandra or someone else's body but he can't be attached back to his original body since that's no longer in tact.
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I don't think it's remotely Kaladin, as Harmony explicitly told Wax that he needed him to be his agent since he couldn't do much himself, as per BoM, which matches the Epigraphs. I can't see why Kaladin would go to Scadrial and serve Harmony.
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