CaptainRyan

Well, I imagine it would be another post that we could just scroll past. Or, if we wanted clarification, we could ask, no? I'm sorry you felt like I was derailing your thread and insulting you. I realize now that my post was lacking in explanation and I will try to be more thorough in the future. I did feel, however, that your response was somewhat aggressive and belittling. Surely we, as a forum community, can do better than that, eh? Either way, I hope my next post clarified my position further. I was trying to highlight the idea that it is a bit of an assumption, as far as I know, to claim that Nightblood's Investiture corruption is permanent. And, if it is not permanent, then that means it probably is not disappearing to the Beyond.

No one said life was universally dull. Everyone is agreeing that life is not perfect in the Basin. The very MAG intro you quoted says there has been no war and I agree with the MAG here even if MAG is not canon. In this case the MAG is merely agreeing with other in-universe info we have been given. If there has not been war in the Basin then think about that for a second. When in the history of humans on Earth has there been a period of over 300 years (10-15 generations) when there has not been war? I will answer my own question: never. The Basin is a massive anomaly in human history. It is a special case. It is unique. There is something special about it. Clearly, Elendel is not perfect. We are all saying that. The point I am trying to make is that the Elendel Basin, with all of its flaws, is orders of magnitude more desirable then any place/period in pre-mid 20th century Earth. The Basin, despite having crime, income inequality, and other issues is clearly in a much better position in terms of safety, resources, climate, etc. then anywhere comparable on Earth or Scadrial. They, as a whole, have it relatively easy. This easiness is what causes them to be relatively lazy in pursuit of science, in exploration etc. This is what Harmony is annoyed about. Let's examine each of your examples for Harmony being completely contradicted by in-universe facts and see how they hold up. 1: Pace of technological development If we are having this debate then there is no "in-universe" definitive example to prove Harmony wrong. 2: Source of flying tech I'm not sure what this means. How can Harmony be wrong about the source of flying tech? 3: Source of radio tech Same as 2 4: Whether he's made it too easy Again, if we are having this debate, there is no "in-universe" definitive example to prove Harmony wrong. Harmony, with the ability to see the future in a limited fashion, and as someone who has watched two separate groups (Northern/Southern Scadrians) improve at different rates, seems like he would be pretty accurate in this. 5: theoretical lack of exploration Why do you call it theoretical? It is fairly straight forward in the books that the Elendel Basin humans have barely explored the beginnings of the Roughs much less their continent much less discovered the Southern Scadrians' continent or any other continent that might exist. Compare the Northern Scadrians exploration to Europeans who had much lower tech - Vikings found North America pretty early and Christopher Columbus made it popular in the late 1400s for goodness sake. What have the Northern Scadrians done? Not much. Why? Because the Basin provides literally everything they (as a population) need and they are not in a race against another country; i.e. Harmony made it too easy for them (see 4). 6: people having everything they want Neither Harmony nor anyone in this thread has said that every single person in the Elendel Basin has everything they need. Harmony, and I, were speaking in general terms: the Elendel Basin provides more than enough to sustain and grow the population and it is sheltered from outside attack. There is no need to explore or even overly exert yourself (in general and speaking of the population as a whole). 7: effects of poverty on technological development and the general lack of everything people want This is another one that I struggle to understand how you think Harmony is obviously, unarguably wrong. Harmony made no claims about the "effects of poverty on technological development" and for the second part of that sentence please refer to number 6. 8: him not being sorry for his failure to do much to counter alien gods and his degree of fault for that Harmony... failed? IIRC, Scadrial still exists and the "red haze" that Wax sees is not destroying the planet. As for Lessie and Wax, I think Brandon showed us pretty clearly that Harmony was not at fault. Furthermore, Harmony is using his allies (Kandra, Wax & Co., etc.) to investigate and defeat the plans of the "alien god". Harmony is new-ish to the Shard game and is probably easily outmaneuvered by other Shards (Lessie hiding with an unknown metal's spike for example). Would you mind expanding on what exactly you mean by Harmony's failure to counter the alien god and his degree of fault? Your initial statement was: "In universe stuff has repeatedly contradicted [Harmony]" and I feel like none of the examples you provided show a single, solid example of Harmony being "contradicted" by "in-universe stuff". As far as I am concerned, Harmony's words are fairly reliable and without strong evidence to the contrary, should be accepted at face value. That does not mean Harmony is infallible but it does mean that his words are trustworthy. Finally, the title of this thread is "Harmony is really dumb" which, in all honesty, is an inflammatory title just begging to be countered. I doubt anyone, including you, truly thinks Harmony, holder of two Shards and former Terrisman Sazed, is actually "dumb". I do want to close by saying I completely respect your opinion to think Harmony is wrong about something or that Harmony is "dumb". If anything in this post comes off as rude or harsh then please let me apologize now. I have re-read this post multiple times before hitting "Submit Reply" and tried to remove/edit anything that might be seen as insulting or rude.

Desperately infuse more Stormlight into the Captain of Bridge Four! Hurt Shallan for making fun of how Kaladin smells. Only 5 more hp needed until Kaladin becomes Honor! Come Sons/Daughters of Honor! Infuse Kaladin! 2. Kaladin 45 HP 5. Shallan 25 HP 20. Marsh 11 HP 25. Jasnah 44 HP @CalypsoDreaming, if you love Kaladin so then why not take your anger out on Marsh?

People, Kaladin is only 4HP away from becoming the Shard of Honor! Do not stop now! INFUSE HIM! Also, sorry Marsh, but I really need friends right now and people are loving on the ladies so I have to pick on you to curry favor! I'm sure you understand... right? 2. Kaladin 46 HP 5. Shallan 26 HP 20. Marsh 11 HP 25. Jasnah 42 HP

I would, personally, rate this as unlikely. We are told that Hemalurgic spikes can only hold a (relatively) small amount of Investiture and I believe Brandon was asked if you could spike an entire Shard and he very clearly said "Not a chance". In the same way I do not think a single sphere, no matter how large the gemstone nor how Shadesmar-y it is, could handle the full Shard of Odium. They are not the same. The Radiant in Dalinar's vision laughs off the suggestion that the Midnight Essence are Voidbringers. There is one other object in the Cosmere that I can think of that also has "black smoke". Any relation to what is released from a Midnight Essence I wonder? Hmm... Brandon specifically avoids naming Odium. Perhaps the Black Sphere is related to Cultivation somehow? Or perhaps Brandon was simply trying to avoid giving a direct answer? Lastly, and this is a personal thing, I generally do not upvote people who ask for it. That is not a condemnation of you doing it but rather a personal quirk of mine.

Have Lopen toss Kaladin a new spear and steal Shallan's boots! 2. Kaladin 46 HP 5. Shallan 25 HP 20. Marsh 13 HP 25. Jasnah 41 HP

From what little we know of Nalan I think he follows the letter of the law of whatever land his victim is residing in with exactness. So, the person he is hunting would have to have committed a crime that is punishable by death and then Nalan would fulfill whatever requirements the legal system in that area has. In the case of Ym I wonder how he got a warrant to kill him in the streets like that. Hm, a mystery.

While I do not know the answer to this my personal reading of the books/WoBs that we have is that Surgebinders (note: not Knights Radiant) came sometime after the Heralds; as in, there was one (or more) desolations with only Heralds before the spren began copying the Surges. Then, in my interpretation, there was one (or more) desolations with Heralds and unaffiliated Surgebinders before, finally, some order (pun intended) was imposed on the Surgebinders and they became Knights Radiant. As I said though, this is simply my interpretation of the information we have and is subject to correction with either new information or old information I have forgotten/not seen haha

Kaladin regenerates and Shallan expends her Stormlight making an illusion of happiness for Hoid. Note: I would go after Marsh but he is the last non-SA character so I thought I would let him live a little longer haha 2. Kaladin 45 HP 5. Shallan 25 HP 20. Marsh 14 HP 25. Jasnah 41 HP

Infuse Kaladin (only 5 more hp until Kaladin Ascends to become Honor!) and steal some Stormlight from Shallan 2. Kaladin 45 HP 5. Shallan 26 HP 20. Marsh 15 HP 25. Jasnah 39 HP

Add another broam's worth of Stormlight to Kaladin and remove one of Marsh's spikes! Also, I spared Kelsier, this time, because he was nice to Vin. 1. Kelsier 1 HP 2. Kaladin 44 HP 5. Shallan 26 HP 20. Marsh 15 HP 25. Jasnah 39 HP

@Pathfinder and @CarolaDavar: I updated mine so that it includes everything (I think). This is where we are at: 1. Kelsier 3 HP 2. Kaladin 43 HP 5. Shallan 25 HP 20. Marsh 16 HP 25. Jasnah 38 HP

Inch Kaladin closer to taking up Honor, Hurt Ironeyes 1. Kelsier 3 HP 2. Kaladin 43 HP 5. Shallan 25 HP 20. Marsh 16 HP 25. Jasnah 38 HP Adjusted to reflect Pathfinder's post that was not included in CarolaDavar's post.

Infuse Kaladin with even higher levels of Stormlight and throw pewter dust in Marsh's face! 1. Kelsier 5 HP 2. Kaladin 41 HP 5. Shallan 25 HP 20. Marsh 17 HP 25. Jasnah 37 HP

Kaladin achieves Sliver status! Only 10 more to become Honor! Hurting Marsh because he stole Vin's earring! 1. Kelsier 5 HP 2. Kaladin 40 HP 5. Shallan 25 HP 20. Marsh 19 HP 25. Jasnah 36 HP

Ascend Kaladin closer to 50 and steal some atium from Marsh! 1. Kelsier 5 HP 2. Kaladin 39 HP 5. Shallan 25 HP 20. Marsh 21 HP 25. Jasnah 35 HP

Words of Radiance spoilers: edit: check around page 522 in Words of Radiance for the above spoilery stuff

Great question! I do not know the answer for sure (only the Lord Ruler and Brandon know for sure haha) but a couple of thoughts came to mind. 1: Steel/Iron sight - Inquisitors would probably be superior at pushing/pulling because they have to interact with Steel/Iron sight all of the time. They would be more familiar with strong/weak anchors, detecting/deciphering moving lines etc. Also, it would make it much harder for people to hide themselves/stuff from an Inquisitor because they could see through stone/wood walls and most non-metal obstacles. 2: Intimidation - if seeing a man/woman with spikes through their eyes does not intimidate you then you are clearly insane haha 3: Weakness(?) - a possible (extra) weakness to exploit? 4: Hemalurgy - we know that bind points and such can cause various changes in the human/creature spiked; perhaps spiking the eyes produced some other, theoretically desirable, effect? That is what I thought of after reading your question. I really like the question and am looking forward to other responses!

So close to Kaladin achieving Shard status! Keep boosting! Also, out of respect for Chull, I will hurt Kel's brother instead of Kel haha 1. Kelsier 7 HP 2. Kaladin 38 HP 5. Shallan 24 HP 20. Marsh 22 HP 25. Jasnah 34 HP

Kaladin will take up Honor! He said he would "See what he could do" haha! Also, hurt Kel. 1. Kelsier 7 HP 2. Kaladin 36 HP 5. Shallan 24 HP 20. Marsh 24 HP 25. Jasnah 34 HP

If this is in reference to the stars then I would say because of the mind-boggling distance between Marsh and the star. If it is referring to something else then please disregard this comment haha

16 more HP and Kaladin Ascends! Cosmere confirmed! Also, hurt Kelsier for being so selfish! 1. Kelsier 10 HP 2. Kaladin 34 HP 5. Shallan 24 HP 20. Marsh 24 HP 25. Jasnah 33 HP

50 for Kal! Ascend! Also, hurt Kelsier for punching Leras - the guy was doing the best he could! 1. Kelsier 13 HP 2. Kaladin 32 HP 5. Shallan 24 HP 20. Marsh 24 HP 25. Jasnah 32 HP Edit: updated as Pathfinder posted before me.

Kaladin will ascend to Honor's shard when he hits 50hp! Come on team! Also, hurt Kelsier because, seriously, he is/was dead. No cheating Kel! 1. Kelsier 17 HP 2. Kaladin 30 HP 5. Shallan 23 HP 20. Marsh 24 HP 25. Jasnah 31 HP

Give Vin her "rest", Help Kaladin become Honor! 1. Kelsier 19 HP 2. Kaladin 30 HP 3. Vin 0 HP 5. Shallan 23 HP 20. Marsh 23 HP 25. Jasnah 30 HP