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Yeah, I do agree that the "or more accurately, density" line that's currently in the article isn't, in fact, accurate; I'll try to at least clear that up some. ...and, done: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Iron?&diff=146410&oldid=137252

Yeah, Feruchemical iron is... complicated. I can't find a mention of density in the AoL Ars Arcanum, but Sazed does mention density in HoA chapter 78: "Tapping weight increased the density of his body and of his bones, keeping him from damaging himself as he collapsed on top of the soldier." Since Sazed (WoA chapter 12) and Wax (BoM chapter 12) both make a point that just storing in their ironminds doesn't change how fast they fall, as well as Khriss' comments about conservation of momentum in that chapter of BoM (which there's also a WoB about), I think iron has to store mass, not weight, and that density increases some as you tap your ironmind (as part of the whole, "you also get some side effects so that you don't accidentally kill yourself"), but not as much as it should based on your increase in mass, probably because of Higgs field and other particle physics shenanigans (i.e. at the end of the day, at a certain point, Brandon's telling a story, not trying to find a scientific theory that perfectly describes his fictional world, and if you look too closely there's going to be some handwaving).

Hey! Sorry, we were slow about responding to this; I suspect everyone's probably a little busy in their offline lives right now and we needed some time to make sure we didn't make mistakes in responding. @Chaos left a reply on the category talk page; the short of it is that we agree the steel alphabet page is more accurate and are thinking of just removing the table on the category page since it doesn't have sources, isn't as accurate, and it's also just kind of a weird thing for a category page to have. And yeah, the table on the category page is being brought in from a template elsewhere, which we should probably just delete when we get rid of the table. Anyways, thanks for pointing this out (you did exactly right!) and feel free to respond here or on that category talk page if you have any other comments. Edit: Since King of Herdaz responded while I was typing, yeah, our Discord (or the #coppermind channel on the 17th Shard Discord) is also a great place for checking in on things and asking questions

Yeah, I would agree that WoB doesn't establish that color is involved in the Metallic Arts and have removed that section. Thanks for pointing this out!

Did some digging on Arcanum and found this WoB, saying that Preservation's original intent was that someone would take up the power every time the Well filled, and this one, which says there weren't a lot of Heroes (but implying at least a few) other than the ones we saw in the books; I've added those two WoBs to the page. I feel like there's something that states it more explicitly than that, but I'm not coming up with a good Arcanum search that will get WoBs about the in-world Well of Ascension and Hero of Ages but not include a bunch of information about the books. My general sense of the timeline was also that Ruin was imprisoned for more than two cycles and I thought there was a WoB saying that the Well generated a bead of lerasium ever time it refilled, but I'm not finding anything that actually pins those down

Yeah, there's definitely plenty to do! We don't have a list quite like we did with Dawnshard mostly because there's a lot more this time around and there's more variability in how long it takes to finish, but if you want a long list, anything from the Demoted section on down on this page needs to be worked on. There's also a list of pages that probably need to be made (there are some on that list that may just be redirects to other pages). If you want, you can hop on our Coppermind Editors Discord and there will be plenty of people who can answer further questions or point you to something specific if the lists are overwhelming.

MediaWiki does allow a plug-ins known as extensions; if that's something you're interested in looking into. There is already a spoilers one, but it looks like it just chucks things into a collapsible element, which I don't think would work for us structurally and also sounds like a lot of upkeep If you're interested in writing Javascript for this, you can make a user subpage (User:YourUserName/common.js) that will run that Javascript for you. Not sure what the other Keepers would think but, if it's something that they're comfortable making available sitewide, it could maybe be converted to a gadget, which is basically CSS and/or JS that users can enable in their preferences. Not sure if these are the "annotations" you were thinking of using, but, in case it helps with your process any, Argent suggested earlier that, if someone were to look at doing this dynamically, doing the spoilers by paragraph and using the books referenced in each paragraph to tell whether information from a book is in that paragraph might be a workable method

My thoughts are pretty similar to Argent's; something like this would be nice for readers, but MediaWiki if often... difficult to deal with and I don't think we're in a position on the technical side to implement something like this. On top of that, we already have a small group of editors and lots of content work to do, so any theoretical solution that would require lots of upkeep (plus the work to apply to all the current articles!) is basically a nonstarter. If you are aware of a wiki that has something like this, I'd certainly be interesting in hearing about how they make it work. The one other thing I would note is that there is, in fact, a way to see what the Voidbringer page (or any page) looked like before Oathbringer (or any other book). If you click the "History" tab at the top right of a Coppermind page, it will show you every edit ever made to that page. From there, you can click on the timestamp of any given edit to see what it looked like immediately after that edit. So, if, for example, you pick the last edit to the Voidbringer page before Oathbringer was released on November 14, 2017, you would get this: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Voidbringer?&oldid=66869. Of course, I know that's probably not practical all the time, especially if there are a lot of books you haven't read or if you want to read an article primarily about something from Secret History that touches on content from earlier books like Elantris, but it is an option that exists.

Thanks for letting us know about this! I'm pretty sure I have this page open in a tab somewhere and just haven't gotten around to actually updating it. I'll try to get to it soon, but if you or someone else wants to do this, you're more than welcome!

Thanks for noticing and mentioning this! I see you tweaked a few other things in the Coppermind translation; I assume those are all the other errors you noticed? I think the original image is here; it doesn't look like the person who made it is still around. We never made translated copies of the images from Oathbringer either, and at this point we're thinking about redoing all of them to make the fonts consistent and easy to read; we would certainly fix any translation errors then. So, if anyone notices anymore, please let us know!

To expand on that, the discussion in here is mostly about any sort of changes to the Coppermind itself, and it doesn't tend to get that much activity (there's a Coppermind editor's Discord where most stuff gets hashed out these days). You'll probably get more engagement in the Mistborn subforum that Karger suggested; there's a lot more people who pay attention to that forum compared to this one. But yes, you theoretically could spike physical strength into a chicken, though I don't think they would end up looking much like koloss made from humans. Anyway, welcome to the 17th Shard and the Coppermind, and thanks for fixing those typos on the Spook article yesterday!

In the original edition of Elantris, the demonym and toponym for Teod was "Teoish." This was then later used in The Emperor's Soul (very beginning of Day 98, when Shai thinks her guards will likely be assigned somewhere far away, perhaps to the "Teoish Peninsula"). Then, in the tenth anniversary edition of Elantris, "Teoish" was changed to "Teo." In the copy of The Emperor's Soul in Arcanum Unbounded, however, the original "Teoish" is still used. Edit: Same case with "Jindoeese," which was used in the original edition of Elantris but changed to "JinDo" in the tenth anniversary edition. On Day 76 of The Emperor's Soul, Gaotona says "The artist was Jindoeese," and Shai replies with "The Jindoeese and my people are not the same." Second edit: Not sure about this one, but in the Arcanum Unbounded Taldain essay, Khriss uses the phrase "Realmic transition" as part of her description of how Sand Mastery is powered. In contrast, when describing the Surge of Transportation in the Words of Radiance and Oathbringer Ars Arcana, she appears to use "Realmatic" as the adjective for something related to the three Realms.

Oops, sorry @Karger, I didn't see that question. The "Keepers" member title refers to the group of editors who are basically the Coppermind staff. We mostly work together to iron out structural decisions and to stay on top of article quality. As Experience mentioned, the name is taken from the Keepers of Mistborn Era 1.

Thanks for raising this! I believe the citation is pointing to this exchange in that chapter: Indicating that the Southern Scadrians are aware the Shards used to be part of a larger whole. I agree, however, that it isn't anywhere near as conclusive as the Coppermind currently makes it seem. It should probably say something like "Kelsier taught them about the Shards Ruin and Preservation, and may have given them some information about how the Shards are pieces of Adonalsium."

So, it's been a long time since I was active (honestly, I'm not sure you could really say I was ever active) here, but I started editing the Coppermind nearly a year ago and Chaos recently helped me get my account back up and running (thanks again!). I don't anticipate being that active here, because what little free time I do have for Brandon-related activities usually goes to the Coppermind, but I was procrastinating on work bored a few weeks ago and wrote up that introduction, at which point I figured I had to post it at some point. I just posted to request Aether of Night, so now seemed as good a time as any. I named my Coppermind account Stargazer without checking the forums; when we reactivated my account, we discovered that someone else has that username here, which is why I'm Starwatcher instead here. And no, I would not like a cookie. As much as I'd love to be able to have Sazed explain things to me, that's not a citable source for the Coppermind. Also, all of you, stay safe and healthy!

Thank you. And I picked Ati because it means hope, not for any connection to Ruin.

I'm doing a clay project in art and I really want to carve an Aon Ati into it. Unfortunately, I don't actually have a copy of Elantris and an image of Aon Ati isn't on the Coppermind. So, could someone please post an image or at least a description of Aon Ati? Thanks.

Oh for Harmony's sake, you guys never stop! Mistborn Hero of Ages Spoiler Just don't take the cookie.

Welcome. And that is some very nice art you have.

Twinborn is the name used for someone who has both an Allomantic and Feruchemical power from the Wax and Wayne series. Edit: Sorry, I misread that as you saying you didn't know what a Twinborn was. Nevermind.

Congratulations to both of you. Syl, I'm assuming from what you've probably heard, you now that you probably don't want to take the cookie. I hope you both enjoy it here.

Welcome. Don't worry, I used a very similar line in my introduction thread too. I hope you that you enjoy the community here. Elantris is cool. And AonDor is arguably one of the most flexible magic systems we've seen so far so that's cool too. The Dark Alley: Mixing Ruin and Preservation since... whenever they started doing that.

It's close, by I think Vin would win.

I'll jump in here. Kelsier. Both do very well in combat, but currently Dalinar is just beginning to learn Surgebinding and is without Shards. Kelsier has a couple years' experience as well as innate skill as a Mistborn. Beyond combat, I've always kind of liked Kelsier more as a character. Mistborn being the first Sanderson book I read may have something to do with that.

NO! I've already learned about what your "cookies" actually are. On second thought though... I would like several "cookies" so as to give me every possible ability currently known to the cosmere. What I will do with that power is none of your concern. Good. Making people happy is a good thing to do.