Arraenae
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Well storms. I was wrong. Let me find a nice desk to bash my head against for the next ten minutes...
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@TheMightyLopen, I know that referring to someone as the wrong gender does not an eliminator make. It's just something that I thought worth noting. @Aonar Faileas, for Etch/Con's killer, what are Elbereth, Elodin, Araris, and I top four suspects for?
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Is this a claim of some sort? This post jumped out at me. Did we ever decide that the discussion over Len happened because he didn't know the meta of SE? This is a rather strong defense of Len and accusation of Sart. I don't think a lot of discussion usually happens during Nights. Some people (especially big talkers who are good analysts) shut up during the Night so they don't draw attention to themselves and get killed. Noticed that Lopen referred to Emerald as female here on Monday. Lopen visited Emerald's profile on Sunday, which includes Emerald's gender. Maybe this doesn't mean anything, but this reminds me of MR11, when Clanky referred to Kynedath as female to distance them. Both were eliminators. Could this be the same thing?
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I'm phishing for information because I decided to switch things up and this was Maill's last game. He asked for no PM safety. I agreed. I'm pretty sure I said this before, but I'll say it again. I can't throw away PM safety for Maill and nobody else. And I won't throw away PM safety and ask for nothing in return. I like equivalent exchanges. Sure, you can get my info, but I want some of your info too. I decided to try out roleswapping before the game started, so unless I can see into the future and know what alignment Joe will give me, phishing is non-alignment indicative. EDIT: Araris, I'd prefer for Silverblade to be lynched instead of me. If he is an eliminator, he'd likely have protection during the Night. (If I'm an eliminator, I'm also likely to have protection during the Night, but... oh well. I can't prove my alignment to you without dying, which kind of goes against my win con. Besides, what eliminator would go around aggressively accusing other people of being eliminators five or six times in a row in order to maybe force a frustration claim?)
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I'm back, so that means I can post. I believe that Silverblade is an eliminator. Let's start from the beginning, so you can see why. Part One: Some Context to This All Our story starts not in LG24, but in LG21, where I was Hoid, the most powerful eliminator on an eliminator team. Joe, our wonderful GM, was Preservation, powerful villager in that game. A PM opened between us, and the first thing that Joe said was this: Here was my response: Notice what's happening here. Joe asked me a simple question -- am I Hoid? -- and I dodged the question. Joe repeatedly accused me of being Hoid, and each time, I didn't respond to his accusations. He told me that I'd just confirmed myself as Hoid or on their team at least three times. At that point, I snapped and claimed Hoid to Joe. You can see the rest of the PM (and many rants about Joe) in the LG21 eliminator doc. Part Two: Rae and Silverblade's PM Fast forwards to LG24. At one point, Wilson said that she was suspicious of Silverblade because he was much more active than usual -- he was actually checking on the game and posting in it! She suspected that Silverblade was more active than usual because he was an eliminator, and much more invested in the game than usual. I PMed Silverblade. We exchanged pleasantries and roleswapped. I told him I was a Beggar, he told me he was a Noble. I asked him to tell me who he was going to put his Noble vote on, to make sure that he was a Noble. He agreed to tell me, and said he wasn't voting on anybody yet. Silverblade didn't say anything else for the rest of that Cycle. The next Day, I asked him if he was a non-citizen. He claimed one of the most vanilla roles, he was much more active than usual despite being on vacation, and he'd never responded to confirm that he was voting on this or that person. Silverblade dodged the subject, the same way I did when Joe asked me if I was Hoid. He said that he didn't say anything because he was passing through a place with no wifi, and was more active now because he was burning through data. He voted on Burnt because someone asked him too and had planned to switch to Aman, but hadn't watched the clock. Naturally, I was confused. He had enough time before rollover to presumably read a PM and vote on Burnt, but not enough time to tell me that his vote was on Burnt? Silverblade said that he'd thought the Noble vote was enough. I told him that he had to tell me who he was voting on before rollover, because anybody could claim anything after rollover. He told me that he trusted me, and asked me who I thought was most suspicious. Then he asked me if I had any Noble claims, because he wanted to coordinate the Noble vote. He also mentioned that he'd vote on Silver Dragon. He said he thought that there were no other Nobles, because why else would the Noble vote end up on someone random like Burnt? The Noble vote ended up on Maill. Now, either Silverblade had voted on Silver Dragon and was overpowered by other Noble votes (Noble votes that he didn't think existed based on the way they landed on Burnt), he had switched his vote to Maill without telling me (possible, but it seems unlikely that he'd forget two times in a row), or he wasn't a Noble and had no control over the Noble vote at all (in which case he was lying about his role. Not a bad thing by itself, but noteworthy). I decided to do what Joe had done to me. I asked Silverblade if he was an eliminator, and said that I would be willing to work with him to survive, since the eliminator team was the biggest threat to my survival. I also said that if he wasn't an eliminator, that was also cool. Silverblade dodged the question. Again. This was the second time that he had dodged the question, something that I had done myself as an eliminator. After about four hours, I asked again: did he want to work with me? I had some nice information for him, He said that he would listen and then decide. Again, he made no mention of the fact that I had called him an eliminator. This, as Joe said, was not something a villager would do. I told Silverblade that I knew the identity of a village Bodyguard, Legionnaire, and Dula. He asked me who the Dula was and what my win con was. I told him that I needed to survive until the end of a game, but as a neutral beggar, I could take the win con of one of his teammates, once they died. I also told him that I would swap his role for the Dula's name and asked if his team had a PM spy. He said no, but otherwise made no response to my insinuation that he had teammates. This dodging-the-question thing was really suspicious now. Then he roleclaimed as Noble. I told him that I meant alignment and win con. He claimed village. Again, I told him that he didn't need to lie. Silverblade claimed that the lynch would tell. His game goal was to kill the eliminators, but his personal goal was to survive. However, he'd rather survive than kill the eliminators, which doesn't sound like the normal villager's goal. Again, I accused him of lying. Silverblade claimed neutral noble. I pretended to give him the Dula's name, but backed out at the last second and asked for his true win condition, flavor name, and number of teammates. Silverblade said that his win con was to survive, he was a true neutral, and he didn't know how many teammates he had. Then he changed that number to 2+ teammates. I said he was lying (surprise, anybody?). Neutrals who wanted to survive (like me) had no need of teammates. They didn't care about Dulas either, since they'd be scanned as not-eliminators. Silverblade had jumped through a lot of hoops in order to get the Dula's name, claiming multiple alignments and win cons over and over and over again. By this point, a normal villager ought to have called out these neverending hoops and/or given up. Silverblade never did that. He said that he considered all neutrals a team, and wasn't a neutral -- he was actually a village Noble. I told him that if that was true, he didn't need the Dula's name after all, and could contact Wilson if he wanted to be scanned. I also told him that his village win con was boring and I didn't need to work with him, but left room for him to claim something other than village, if he still wanted. He said farewell and called me a troll (thanks Silverblade). Part Three: Conclusion and TL;DR I find Silverblade's evasion and multiple contradictory claims suspicious. Why would a villager go back and forth between claiming village and neutral? Why wouldn't a villager respond outright with "no, stop pestering me, I am not an eliminator, leave me alone"? I think it is because Silverblade actually is an eliminator, and avoided outright denying he was an eliminator, like I did in LG21 and all the other eliminators that Joe noticed did.
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Ah, that's your spin, huh? What happened was quite different than how you describe it. @little wilson, @OrlokTsubodai, here's your key: lookraesdeadbutsheencodedsomeinfoforyouallpleasemakegooduseofit. @Amanuensis, you can also describe what happened. My family is demanding that I eat dinner, so I can't post for the next fourty-five minutes to hour. Aman, Wilson, and Orlok should be able to explain what happened.
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Ah, this. Araris. Do you want to explain what happened, or should I, Silverblade? Pushing my lynch would most assuredly end with your death. Your teammates wouldn't like that, huh?
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Interesting that Araris's defense is refers to specific scenarios. Couldn't he have clarified these scenarios in his original post, the way he did today? This feels like he's trying to back out of what he said in that first post.
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Hey, I am thinking. Aman posted stuff I thought about but was too lazy to formalize into words.
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Well, regardless of who suggests it, I think that lynching a player to prove that they have an extra life is a terrible idea. If they lied -- and you don't have to be an eliminator to do that, you could be a player who fears being killed early because of your reputation -- then they're dead. If they didn't lie, they're missing and extra life. Now we know that they are a Pirate or Pirate equivalent. So what? I agree with Amanuensis. That vote on Elbereth was pretty weird -- players set the agendas for discussion all the time by discussing how roles should be used, or who they're suspicious of. That's not an eliminator-only thing. Araris.
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Emerald, I don't think this will turn into a Follow the Cop game. Dulas aren't very effective. They can only find eliminators, so they'll completely miss any neutral-evils that we might want to get rid of. We have to be careful not to trust people just because they are not-eliminators. Plus, the village has no role scanners, so anybody can claim a Dula and get away with it, especially an eliminator. Right, Burnt?
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If anyone had outside protection, I think Alvron is more likely to have had it, since he's a player with a pretty high reputation. I don't think eliminators would necessarily go for people who have claimed extra lives -- I think they usually avoid them, since they take more hits to die. Why kill Player A over two Nights when you can kill the equally annoying Player B over one Night? Lopen, can you explain what has happened in your PM with Orlok that makes you suspicious of him? I have a weak gut trust of him, but it's very unsubstantiated.
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That's the second time some philosophical -type figure has attacked someone. A serial killer? Like last Night, we had two attacks, and I feel like at least one of them isn't village based.
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Three minutes later, Anelin walked out the door to eat buscuits with Naara. Anelin moved through the house, half wary, half nervous. She didn't want to make Naara blow up again, the way the pancake suggestion had made her cousin run around in circles screaming her lungs off. I shouldn't have to be afraid of setting Naara off, Anelin thought in frustration. If I was at home, nobody could scream at me and get away with it. But Anelin wasn't at home and she was dependent on Naara's charity to be able to stay in Kae. The revenge gift of pancakes after ten would have to wait until Anelin was back on her home turf. Finally, Anelin reached the dining table. She opened her clenched hands and plastered a smile on her face. "Here I am, cousin," she said.
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I don't think we should kill Stink until he does something suspicious. If he's neutral, he's not doing anything to help us, sure, but he's not doing anything to hurt us either. Besides, I think he's taking the game more seriously than usual, if STINK's guide to fun is any indication. Let's encourage that by keeping him alive until he does something that hurts the village.
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YIA A MBIWAKRV AHUW TJ Q FEOM EZMZ IBX MNI TWKWDSG NX RGO WJ KJBXUKR I agree with what Emerald said. Villagers can and will be wrong. Plus, there is no guarantee that Maill even tried to make his list accurate. Several of the people on the list said to me that they hadn't roleclaimed to him. Plus, Maill has a reputation for mixing truths and lies regardless of his alignment. There's no reason to believe that the list is the epitome of accuracy.
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That lizard is way too adorable to sit on Voldemort's shoulder.
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A really cool (and obvious) end-of-credits scene could be a Kelsier voiceover of "There's always another secret".
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Alright. Elenion. Maill.
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I'll make good use of it. Make sure you remember us when you're on your mission.
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Does anyone have a vote tally?
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Two people died this Night. That means that there are at least two kill roles. I can't shake the feeling that there's a serial killer somewhere in this game. I heard from someone that there would be an extra vote on Straw and that I should talk to Maill and Len to find more about it. That lends more credence to Len's claim of being a Duke, but doesn't mean he's necessarily a Citizen. I like what Sart did, actually. If it worked to draw out teammates, it's commendable. I think lynching Elenion will give us good information about what happened D1.
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@The Only Joe, are there hints in the writeup?
