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I've been wanting to post it to Facebook as an inspirational quote, but some of my friends read too and would pick up on it (i.e. they're not done with Oathbringer yet).

She is totally suppressing knowledge of Shardplate right there. The issue with this passage is that shortly before it Shallan starts thinking about how she killed her parents. Adolin is oblivious to this, and grabs Shallan's shoulders making her start. Then we have the passage you quoted. Then a bit later it says So I don't think the heart beating quickly has to do with surpressing Shardplate. It just has to do with remembering killing her parents and not being able to shove it away.

Not that I know of, and in fact we have a WoB that they *don't* get their blades and plates at the same ideals (i.e. it was order dependent). Unfortunately, I have failed to find the WoB... EDIT: This may be the one I was thinking of: WoB

Most of the Bridge Four chapters got me, but specifically I know I teared up the first time through when Hobber's legs healed and when Skar semi gave up being able to draw in Stormlight.

Fair, but we've only seen Skybreakers who have gone through this path. I think it's presented in such a way as to imply all Skybreakers will do this. I see them as not only law abiding, but process abiding as well. No idea what you'd do to attract a Highspren "naturally."

I honestly thought she was going to do this before Amaram was brought into the picture. Take up the Shardplate and the Shardblade (once it was found). But of course she wouldn't as she's not a Fighter fighter, she's a schemer even more so than Torol.

This bothered me for a bit too, until I realized it's just that they are Squires. The Skybreaker's Oaths definitely seem different than the others. It is very structured. Ideal 1 - No powers granted, basically a recruit. Ideal 2 - Mentored by a higher Skybreaker, becoming their Squire (which allows access to Gravitation) Ideal 3 - Attract a spren and swear to a "cause" (Szeth is here, and swore to Dalinar). Allows access to Division. Ideal 4 - Personal Crusade (probably literally in Szeth's case. Shinovar will burn) Ideal 5 - I am the Law! Coppermind.net's explanation of Skybreaker Oaths

While this wasn't the original intention of the OP, I did kind of assume Amaram was wearing Sadeas' Plate when he died. But you're right, why would he be when he has his own? That begs the question of what did happen to Sadeas' Plate after Sadeas' death?

I completely agree. I actually understand Moash's motivations the second time through, and it didn't seem so out of left field. (I still dislike the event, but I understand why he did it). As to the topic at hand, Evi's death was perfect for the character that was built up. She was an optimist to her core, and that got her killed. @maxal had good points, but I don't agree with all of them (specifically the ones about how Dalinar and Evi viewed each other).

Are you perhaps thinking of the balcony from The Way of Kings prologue, which Szeth lashes downward many times and eventually collapses due to that?

While the re-introduction of Szeth to the other main cast was a bit awkward, I think having him be alive is the best way to tell us about the Skybreakers and what they're up to. Also, I just did a reread and Szeth's meeting with the main cast wasn't as bad as the first read. He first approaches Lift, who he's already interacted with on "friendly" (read not deadly murder intent) terms. He flies around helping to retrieve the Ruby (King's Drop, I think?), but is still only interacting with Lift. After that is delivered, he's at the meeting with the other Knight Radiants, but is not outwardly hostile. Jasnah comments that the "storming Assassin in White" is here, and Szeth responds that Dalinar is now his master.

I disagree that "I killed my father" was one of her Truths. At no point do I get the impression that Shallan doesn't acknowledge she killed her father. *We* don't know it right away, but Shallan does. I personally believe we've only seen her say one Truth, "I killed my mother." which elevated her to the 4th Ideal (1. Life before Death; 2. Something; 3. Something; 4. I killed my mother.) Prior to that in the books, she was always at the 3rd ideal. It's not that she couldn't do a lot of things, it's that she *chose* not to, e.g. deep down she knew she could summon Pattern in less than 10 heartbeats, but she deluded herself into applying the restriction so she could lie to herself that it was just a normal Shardblade (because doing otherwise would make her face the fact that she killed her mother). I believe this caused a regression of her ideals (much like when Kaladin had his issue with Syl) but near the end of WoR, she admitted that her blade was not like others, thus fully unlocking her 3rd Ideal powers. Then, later in WoR, Pattern forces her to admit she killed her mother, progressing to the 4th Ideal. A note on her Shardplate: It's possible that a Lightweaver's Shardplate *is* a Lightweaving, given substance via Soulcasting. Similar to how Shallan is learning to give her other illusions substance. Mastering this trick may be what unlocks Shardplate for her.

I never pay attention either. I used the Coppermind Oathbringer Summary to quickly search for flashback chapters.

On topic about the courting period, from the flashbacks we know that Dalinar met Evi 31 years ago (Chapter 19). This is when he agreed to marry her (at least to the Alethi). The next flashback (Chapter 26) takes place 29 years ago (so could be between 1-2 years depending on when during the year it happened), and it is stated that they are still betrothed (due to Evi's culture with long betrothals). The next flashback (Chapter 36) takes place 24 years ago (so another 5ish years), and at this point they are married and Evi is pregnant. So nothing concrete in saying that they were courting for 3 years, but nothing that contradicts it either. I think Dalinar is remembering correctly that from point of meeting to actual marriage was three years.

Is this referring to the fact that the eye color was given as one thing, then changed later (not because of a Shardblade)? And then the second part... ...is just a general statement that the order of the blade does matter for when Darkeyes bond a Shardblade?

I can't find the quote, but I believe it was mentioned that Moash's eye color in the first book was incorrectly listed as dark green. He has dark tan eyes. The common Shardblade (i.e. dead spren Shardblade) only lightens the eyes, so his eyes should be a light tan in color from the bonding (also unknown if they reverted after he broke the bond). EDIT: Found the quote. It's on Moash's Coppermind page, with a separate source of WoR Typos thread. A live Shardblade seems to lighten and change the color of the eye to match the order (maybe, as Kaladin's are the only ones I can think of that are even mentioned), similar to how the shardplate will eventually glow with that same color.

I'm pretty sure there was a statement (even before Oathbringer) of who the first five were. I can't find it specifically but here's a few relevant WoBs. Source - This one is from before Oathbringer and implies that Dalinar, Szeth, and Eshonai are contenders, implying they are the 3 remaining of the first 5. Source - This one is from after Oathbringer, and Brandon does not correct the assumption by the Questioner that Szeth and Eshonai are the last two.

Afaik, Glys is a Truthwatcher spren that has been corrupted by Sja-anat. He is providing the normal Truthwatcher surges (or at least Regrowth, since Renarian has yet to do any Lightweaving even when specifically trying). He also has the fits, which seem to be his moments of seeing possible futures and seems to comes from the Sja-anat corruption. But I agree with this statement, because so far as we can tell, despite the corruption Glys is fighting on the side of the humans and not for Odium.

To this point, he *kind of* did this with the Wheel of Time books, and it didn't work well there. Uh, slight WoT spoilers if you're sensitive to them.

Syl and Pattern are the obvious choices since we've seen them the most (and both have their moments of being awesome), but my gut tells me to pick someone else. I'm going to go with Glys, in the hopes that even though he's been "corrupted", he's still fighting the good fight.

I have a pet theory that Radiants (or Surgebinders in general) linger in Shadesmar after death like the ancient Parshendi do. This is based on the fact that holding Investiture lengthens how long you can hold on. My thought it that either Radiants of a certain oath level will become Cognitive Shadows, or Radiants that hold too much Stormlight will. Therefore I think the people this interlude is talking about are these Radiant Cognitive Shadows. I'm not sure how they'll manifest in the Physical Realm, but that's my theory for now.

I don't think he does though*. Vo was the first Returned on Nalthis, living only a week. But in that week he impregnated his wife who eventually became ruler and is the beginning of the Royal Locks (the Coppermind article does a better job explaining). Since Denth is a Returned, and Vo was the first Returned, then Denth must have come after Vo and therefore after the Royal Locks. Therefore he could have the Royal Locks (which WoB says he does). *It's possible he predates the Idrian royal family depending on how things played out, but he doesn't predate the Royal Locks.

afaik, Jasnah proclaimed she was a heretic on the night of Gavilar's assassination (prior to the assassination, obviously). I believe she mentions it in the prologue of WoR, but I'd have to check my book to be sure. Edit: Page 17 of WoR (seems to be the literal first page)

I don't think he'll write book 4 and 5 at the same time if only because they are so much bigger than the Mistborn books. Shadows of Self and Bands of Mourning are 1000 pages combined. Oathbringer is 1248 pages. (Both stats according to Amazon). If he were to write anything along side Book 4, I think it would be a novella at most (I was really hoping for a Secret History: Stormlight Archive, chronicling Jasnah's trip in Shadesmar for Oathbringer). I think he's drafted the epilogue of Book 5 because he knows that's where he wants to cut it, and so he made the edge that he's working towards. I will concede that he might write *parts* of Book 5 while writing Book 4 (i.e. first drafts of stuff), since part of the reason he wrote Bands of Mourning was to get a clearer picture of later events (i.e. I remember Sanderson saying something about having trouble pinning down some scenes in SoS, so he skipped ahead and started working on BoM).

Gavinor is only 3 years old (I just heard that in my audiobook reread, and searching on Kindle shows it's on page 734). But I also agree that Oroden is at most 1-2 years old (he isn't walking). Excerpt from page 734, Elhokar talking to Shallan: