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In the book we get very little information about how the ecosystem works on the planet. All that we know is that the Plants grow rapidly in the time between darkness and just before the sunrise and use the light reflected by the rings. Theres everything from Grasses to small trees. And the crops the people plant ahead of the growing wave. All the fauna we know of are “Gazelle like creatures”. These don’t seem to be livestock since they are hunted. But I want to know how this works. Where do the organisms come from? Do the plants drop seeds that endure the sunrise? That seems unlikely since the sun also completely annihilates entire mountains. And this doesn’t explain the existence of animals either. Humans cannot really outrun the sunrise. So I guess the animals can’t either. They also need to stop feed. (I love how this book is so cosmere there are literally no unpinned threads in the non-spoiler section )

I know there is a WOB that states that Singers/Parshmen were created as a part of the Rosharan Ecosystem. But I'm wondering if there is a chance that they have been created from humans not from scratch. Because even though they fit the world well they don't blend in completely. Simply because Singers seem like the human version of a Ryshadium. They are clearly not crustacean like most rosharan lifeforms, even though they have carapace that seems to be mostly granted by their forms. Ryshadium have stone hooves like the shells of chulls now, and are capable of bonding spren. Singers also seem to be mammals by the precence of hair and breasts. And they are capable of interbreeding with humans. If that WOB didn't exist. I would have guessed that the singers were the first humans to ever reach roshar a very long time ago and completely adapted to the ecosystem over time while still having an overtly human origin. If they have been made from scratch instead, why aren't they more like the rest of the native fauna of roshar? I feel like this could also be an interesting point in the narrative if the two fractions find out they are actually related. And that the Ashynite Rosharans would in the long run become more and more singer like. What is your opinion on this?

Era two of the mistborn novels has now come to it's conclusion. And something that really bugs me is how little we learn about the modern koloss ( including allomancer Jaks story) I was surprised to learn that the kolos had survived the catacendre in AoL. I feel like we learn the new place of many of the old things of era 1. The Kandra, Marsh, Kelsier the Terris etc. But the koloss(blooded) are only represented by background characters. And the biggest of them, Tarson, is a bulky brutal man. He'd seem like a offensive caricature tbh. if the kolos were real. I find it sad because their culture and PoV sounds like it would make for interesting worldbuilding and interesting themes for characters to explore. How would it feel to grow up among people who look like monsters? What would it be like to leave them? In general the roughs, are are falling short in general. The books kind of support the notion that everything important happens in Elendel and nobody really cares about the roughs and it's people. I really hope we see more of both in future books.

These portraits are supposed to be in world art. And while the heralds are an important part of Vorinism they are worshipped all across Roshar. Meaning this painting maybe isn't according to Vorin tradition because it might not be Vorin at all. I don't think it has anything to do with her abilities. The ordinary people of roshar have no clue of her surgebinding abilities. She is depited as hovering as well even though she doesen't have access to gravitation. in RoW we get Adolins Reaktion to Kelek being able to write. Since Kelek is basically a demigod to him and a religious figure he doesen't feel weird about his literacy because he views him more like an ardent. So, the heralds might be seen above the masculine/feminine devison and only depicted to cover their hand when they are doing womanly things. As others have pointed out, it might be part of her Mythology since we don't actually know a lot of in world lore about the Heralds especially the female ones. So she might have a Jehanne d'Arc thing going on. In that sense she and Ishar could be the counterpoint to custom. The female warrior and the male sholar.

I think it is related. Elantris is such an early book that i don't know if this specifically was intended that way. But I think it fits well. when vin burns bronze and Duralumin she can tell what emotions Breeze is soothing from the allomantic pulses. Also the Well of Ascencion pulses in her ears. Rhythms and pulses seem to be a feature of investiture in general

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Thanks! I would have included them if it was important for symbolism that every herald had a shardblade. But I like it much more if i don't have to. It makes sense for Jezrien Chana or Taln. But I don't really want to fit them in somehow with Pailiah, Ash or Ishar

For context: I really love the depictions of the heralds in the end of the books. And while all of the artworks are amazing, I absolutely adore Howard Lyons interpretations of Vedeledev and Jezerezeh and i low key wish he'd done all of them. It just really looks like a renaissance painting of a religious figure and seeing them all in the same style would have been so satisfying. Inspired by this and to pratice my skills in general I am currently working on my own watercolor painting of every herald to see them all in the same style. So right now im considering if I should include the Honorblades. Do the common Vorin people know they existed? Not if they know the mechanics and history but in general do they know that every herald had a special one? Are they important in symbolism? I'd also appreciate input on how you all Imagine what Battar looks like. I always Imagined her as an older upper class woman. thanks in advance for any input.

So on Roshar, people like Renarin, Adolin and Laral have multicolored hair. Hair-color doesent work like that for humans in real life. And I wan't to suggest that it actually doesen't work like that for humans in the cosmere or Roshar as well. The singers on the other hand naturally have multicolored hair. With strands representing the skinpatterns underneath. Like fur color with a cow or a dog. I think the unusual way haircolor works for those people could be related to most people on Roshar having Singer ancestry. It shows up more in Herdazians and Unkalaki but basically everyone has singerblood in them by now. And maybe the reverse could be said for the Singers as well. I wish we could see how the mixed ancestry of those groups came to be. If it was peacefull intermingeling or due to the more sinister aspects of war.... This would fit the story as well. The war must end. And why erradicate one or the other spieces when herritage clearly shows that unity is possible. What do you think?

A lot of people don't like Jasnah because she just seems to perfect. And I think that’s intentional by Brandon. Up until now she is dealing pretty well with all that happens in the books compared to all the other main characters. I expect her book or the SA in general to push her to her limits more than anyone else. Something is going to break through the phasade of perfect composure and capability. I can totally see her kind of going down a similar dark path as Taravangian. Or at least being tempted to. Since he is Odium now he might know how to pull the strings on someone who thinks in similar ruthless ways as he does. She’s going to have a major breakdown. The groundwork and foreshadowing is there. The paranoia you mentioned. Her feelings of betrayal/trust issues relating to her childhood illness. Her issues with her father whom (according to Navanis flashback) she loved and respected deeply but who didn’t seem to see her in quite the same way. ( That might support your Hypothesis, since she might want to prove herself to him.) But I can't really get with the idea that she was a traitor all along. While it would definitely be a good twist it doesn’t really fit the story in my opinion. Maybe I’m biased because she is one of my favorite characters. What I like about her is that she is a good person while not necessarily being likable. She genuinely tries to be a good person just like the others. It’s just that her flaws are different ones. If she’d been a traitor all along It would take away a lot of the meaning of what we’ve seen so far. And the storyarc of “I betrayed my people and now I’ll have to make up for it” is already filled by Venli.

It mostly reminded me of outlands from world of Warcraft XD. It's also bacially a planet stuck in another dimension.

We know that after SH Kelsier tried to aquire a new body. A physical link. And we know that by the time of BoM he managed to do so. But I wanted to ask the question on what would have happend to kelsier if he hadn't managed to do so. What if he had stayed a cognitive shadow. How would the time spent as purely a cognitve entety have affected him. I find this to be extremely interesting in this specific case because he is not just some random person whos family and freinds will remember, but who will be forgotten a few generations down the line. Upon his death Kelsier made himself into a figure of mythology. People follow religions that worship him and legends constantly talk about him. I feel like over time, without a body Kelsier would have basically become the "survivor" spren. Loosing most of his deepest inner personal thoughts and core personality and conflicts and becoming an embpdyment of the peoples perception of the survivor deity. The only thing we have that is comparable are the heralds. They are also relvent cultural figures and cognitive shadows. But after Aharietiam they all seem to have phisical bodies. Even Kalak despite him chilling in the cogitive realm. In general what do you think happens to people that just stay cognitve shadows in the cognitve realm. Do they basically stay the same developing like a funktionally immortal person in the phisical realm would? Or do you think they are subjects to the thoughts and perceptions of other people like spren and other cognitve enteties are? Do you think it makes a diffrence if nobody else remembers the shadow after some time, or if they have a "following" of people who still think about them?

No I did notice it. Lightweavers can soulcast and one of the cryptics main features is humming. So I figured people heard the spren humming when a radiant soulcast and associated the two.

Also in the german Harmony is "Der Einträchtige". I don't think this has been mentioned

Eshnai returning after having taken Stormform. And her final Moment in RoW.

Okay, so we see Ishar trying to manifest the bodies of spren into physical bodies. This seems to work best for honorspren. Because they are basically blue humans. You know who else is basically a blue human? The Natans. And they have this legend that somebody concieved a child with the moon. maybe it wasn't the moon itself. But a person that looked like the representation of the moon to the people. Maybe somebody successfully has manifested a honorspren before. Or they are Koloss-blooded who knows

Most of mine have already been mentioned. So I'm going to add Evi breakting into tears while she fights with dalinar. The last scene with Raboniel and Essu

For the Orders it's pretty much just a litteral translation when Possible. Lightweaver = Lichtweber. Elsecallers are made to be "Aufscheiner". Because it doesent translate well. Odium is just Odium. For the Shards they Use the translation of the shards intent and make it so it could be a Name based on that word not the complete translation itself. So Preservation is "Bewahr". Not "Bewahrung". Honor is "Ehr" not "Ehre". I find it to be a poor choice and they should have just used the noun of the intent. and it's the reason I switched to english eventually.

Ah but that's the point. There would be a better translation if you just want to express the religious devotion of the monks: "Eiferer". And I always wondered why they aren't called that in german, since "Eiferer" is already used to describe a very devoted almost fanaticly religious person. The surname "Feuerer" comes from the person that was assigned the tast of starting the fire. And since we have lightswitches today it's no longer used. Just like "Köhler" or "Wagner" the proffession it refers to is largely outdated. So the choice of the translation to use a word that also alludes to fire seems intentional to me. Yesterday it struck me that Vorin-prayers litteraly include fire. Maybe the tradition of burning prayers started because somebody wanted to express the "inner religious fire" they are named after. Falls es absicht war, gefällt mir die Übersetzung eigentlich ganz gut. Ich bin da oft hin und hergerissen. Wenn es darum geht das Cosmere zu verstehen ist die englische Originalversion immer besser. Sonst werden worte wie Cultivation-Bebauerin oft unterschiedlich übersetzt und versteckte Zusammenhänge gehen verloren. Aber gerade bei einem Wort wie feuerer trägt es eher dazu bei dass sich alles zusammengehörig anfühlt. Klingen die worte zu anders zur gelesenen Sprache vermittelt dass den Eindruck dass es nicht wirklich hingehört. Feuerei klingt für mich wie eine Einheimische, alltägliche instituion. Ardentia klingt wenn der rest deutsch ist einfach zu abgehoben.

Eh... Yes, yes sombody would say that. The german Translations use exactly that word for the ardents. I was introduced to stormlight in german. It's my motherlanguage. I think they made it up to be the best translation. It's also a surname. "anfeuern" can also be used in "Den Kamin anfeuern", that's the origin of the saying and litterally means "to start a fire in the chimney."

Do you think that's true? Is that obvious? "In the English language, the word "ardent" is an adjective meaning eager, zealous or passionate." That's what the coppermind has to say on the topic. But ardent is also related to the word "arson", and it means glowing. In german they translate it to "Feuerer". "Feuer" meaning "fire" . I'm curious if the alethi word for the ardents is also related to the alethi word for fire.

Okay. I was really confused for a second. I'm almost fluent in womens script and when i tried finding the englisch words i failed miserably. But then I saw this is actual alethi. I looked it over and i think it's correct.

Wait, do we know any oaths of the truthwatchers? In this post I'm trying to figure it out by the arc the character seems to have. I didn't consider the quiz. It might shake my hypothesis. I don't think their oaths are going to be that literally connected to truth. Willshapers are all about freedom but they are described as providing infrastructure. Related but not exactly the same. If we look at Ym and Arshtram, the truthwatchers (except for corrupted Renarin) seem to be involved in charity. Gathering attention towards and helping the most disadvantaged. in both examples orphans. For them i propose : II "I will give what I can spare" or "I will help those who have the least"

So, I think I can make an educated guess on what the oaths of the Elscallsers might be based on the characterization of Jasnah. When we look at the other Radiants in the story, their oaths always seem to incorporate a virtue the character expresses, the devine attributes of the Herald of their order and sometimes a flaw they have to overcome. Kaladin is a guy who instinctively wants to help protect people, and he’s also a natural leader. But he takes too much responsibility and stretches himself to thin to be effective. So his last oath is him confronting that he cannot save everyone. Shallan is a very creative person, who tries to inspire other people by believing in better versions of themselves. But she has constructed many lies around herself for protection and isn’t honest with others. So her oaths have her admitting truths to herself and others. Lift treats everyone she meets with the same level of respect ( or disrespect) and doesn’t seem to discriminate against people. She even doesn’t thik that badly about the people she fights. But she is pretty selfish in the beginning and very used to only looking out for herself. Her orders oaths teach her to remember other people and to listen to them instead of just moving on without a care. You get the Idea. Lets get to Jasnah. The attributes of her herald are wise and careful. And I think her order also values truth and knowledge. We know that over the course of the books Jasnah has progressed significantly in her oaths. I tried to think about what her naturally good attributes are and what flaws she has actively worked on as she seeks her oaths Jasnah is a very intelligent person and excels at the things she starts. She is able to reflect on her own actions and question established viewpoints. But, her general competence has boosted her confidence to a point where she can be dismissive, cruel and stubborn. I always come back to the scene in the hospital where she apologizes to Shallan saying that apologies are something more people should practice. And I think she did just that. Admitting shes wrong doesn’t come naturally to her but she made an effort to learn and I believe this is connected to her oaths. Something else we see her do is to question the established teachings about her culture and society. She is an open heretic. She questions and actively defies the male and female arts although she would be able to embody the feminine ideals perfectly. And in the fourth book she has openly demanded to end slavery despite being among the most privileged people in Vorin society. Something that other radiants like Dalinar or Navani seem to not understand at first. This kind of thinking, in my opinion ,is required of an Elsecaller. she is also actively researching the end of the world against all odds, instead of ignoring the signs. So lets get to my guesses for the oaths. I :”Live before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination" II :”I will seek uncomfortable truth over blissful ignorance” III: “I accept that I can be mistaken. And I will admit when I am wrong" IV: “ I will strive to be objective in my views; But will accept that my own viewpoint is narrow and limited” I’m not saying this will be the exact words. Or even that it’s correct when paraphrased. But I’m quite confident that this will be the theme for the Elsecallers. what do you think?

So, Shai teaches us that in forgery realmantics is very important. You can't just forge one stone out of the wall. The wall wants to be seen as a whole because people view it as a complete construct not as single bricks. Ithink that concept is awesome and always assumed that soulcasting worked in the same way. As far as we know from Kazas interlude or from Shallans adeventures soulcasting works by conversing with the objects cognitve representation and bribing it with stormlight to change. When Shallan tries to soulcast Stick, it is insistant it is a Stick. Because people view it as one. in general we see people transform complete objects not just parts trough soulcasting. But When Jasnah fixes the wall in Oathbringer or when the ardents create Buildings they soulcast them from air. But don't people view the air as one object? What seperates the air in the shape of a house that will transform from the air around it? Does it just take more stormlight or practice to do such things? I found the foundations of realmantics to be pretty cool limitations to magic because it feels both mystical and scientific. Do you have an explaination for this?