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  1. Zas678
    Yeah, if only he ever posted here. (Secret History Spoilers behind link!)
  2. Zas678
    Here's my reactions, as I was posting them to a friend as I read: Oh Kelsier. You die, and OF COURSE the first thing you do is punch the God that greets you. Then try to recruit him to your crew. Oh how I've missed you. And Leras! I always knew he admired TLR. The twit. Huh. TLR passed on, without waiting. I saw Hoid (angled face anyone?) and wondered if it was him, until he began the insult game. Than I knew! Although I was surprised that Hoid could hurt him, even just cognitively. Maybe it has to do with him being so near Ruin? Although I guess Hoid has hurt plenty of people's sanity before as well. Finally! Khriss! Nazh! We finally get to meet you! And Kelsier tries to be an allomancer. Sorry bud, not going to work for you. (BRANDON AVALANCHE!) Vin should be called a MistBURN for what she dealt out to Kelsier. Oh SNAP! Overall, I really enjoyed it! I felt like this Kelsier isn't the same Kelsier from FE though. He feels.... different. Granted, it's been 10 years since Brandon's last wrote him, but I still found the story immensly entertaining and rich in realmantic explanations. We also finally know why Vin avoided Hoid. Also, I've heard a theory going around that after Spooks century of rule, he spiked himself allowing Kelsier to take control, and that's how we get the one-spiked Survivor in charge of the Southerners. What do you guys think? And do you think Harmony approved? Or supported it?
  3. Zas678
    No, she's taking the bus because she's coming to Brandon's class with me. Thanks for the offer though!
  4. Zas678
    Me too! And my sister. I'm also going to tell Brandon's writing class, so we may get a few of them as well. We'll see.
  5. Zas678
    Aaaand, it's tomorrow! I hope to see you all there! What did we decide in for pizza?
  6. Zas678
    I finally figured it out! Creccio’s a Lightweaver! (Or has a Lightweaver protecting her). The attacks aren’t being blocked- they’re being redirected. So it seams that it was me that unintentionally killed Orlok. So I target Creccio, Illumination is used, redirecting my poison to someone else randomly, and Orlok is killed. Sorry Orlok. I didn’t mean for you to die!
  7. Zas678
    Sooooo. I have something that I have to say. I clarified with the GMs, and according to them, if it was an Elsecaller or an Explorer, I would be told that I couldn't find my target. If they were protected, whether by Regrowth by an Edgedancer or by a Surgeon, I wouldn't be told anything. I was under the impression that we would be told that they were saved, but apparently not. I wasn't told that I couldn't find my target; I wasn't told anything. So that means it's because of protection that I couldn't find Creccio, not because of an Elsecaller transportation. So Creccio is either an Edgedancer, or has an Edgedancer protecting them, or has a Surgeon protecting them. This makes me much less wary of Creccio, but my vote is still on them for now.
  8. Zas678
    It is slightly faction based- as a cook, I'm going to target a potential Son of Honor before a Ghostblood. But that's not why I'm voting for her. I'm voting because she's an Elsecaller, (which gives us a 50-50 shot if we assume that the Diagramists had one, which I'm pretty sure they did), and because there's small signs that she's had group help. I'm going to look back through Adavantos's posts to see what he had to say about Creecio. And I think Mail would be a good option. EDIT- This are both from when Creccio was under attack in Cycle 1. Adavantos: See, here's the thing. While it's harder to manage in this game given the fact that we have to scan our corpses and find a way to release the subsequent information, I generally prefer letting eliminators live for the first few cycles of the game, whether or not I am convinced of their alignment, because that gives them more opportunities to implicate one of their teammates. Obviously at a certain point in the game letting them live does more harm then good, but from my experience killing one D1, let alone expressing that you're onto them, is bad as well because either you have no other leads to go off after then or you give them enough warning to start casting doubt on players they know are innocent. So while I don't think killing Creccio is something I can get behind, I'll just say you do you boo boo. Adavantos: Okay so, I get the whole idea of being afraid of killing a critical role for your faction. However this is not a successful way to go about the game. If you are not willing to lynch a player because they just might be tied to your win condition then how do you expect us to get any where? Now, personally I am not against lynching nobody until we have more information for this reason given the fact that this is D1 and we have little else to go on but gut. However I just want to point out that if you honestly think a player is suspicious, don't let it slide; there is likely a good reason why you think they are evil, and unless you put pressure on them you probably won't learn anything more. That being said, I personally do not support the killing of Creccio this early, for two reasons. First, the typical one where I always advocate that we avoid having the same players die early on every game because it ends up being super unfair for them. In Creccio's case he died D2 of LG15 and early on in QF11 as well, so for that reason I would like to let him slide for five cycles at least. Barring that, I don't think an actual eliminator would behave the way he has for obvious reasons. Apart from the BB situation it is extremely rare for an eliminator to get enough attention for a lynch D1. Also note that for this same reason I am not to serious about having Mail killed, I just want to understand where he is coming from. EDIT: Ninja'd. @Creccio, I think claiming Son of Honor was a poor idea... I stick by my previous statement that it's best to keep factions a secret for the long term. While I don't think posturing among ourselves in private is a bad idea to prepare for the end, it's best that at least publicly we disregard our factions entirely in search of the Diagrammists. Once we kill them all we can focus on one another. So we see Adavantos defending Creccio , not necessarily because of posts, but because he believes that it's a bad idea to lynch Cycle 1. But he doesn't make that argument much after- only when Creccio's name is on the chopping block. If anyone finds anything else out, or want to point out other observations, let me know. Double Edit- Formatting.
  9. Zas678
    I also have something to reveal! So I've targeted Creccio the past 2 days, and my attack didn't register either day. This means that she has to be an Elsecaller. I've been keeping my eyes on her for a while now, ever since I noticed that when she originally posted the list of Son Of Honor Roles, she missed a name, but had it edited without a comment a few moments later- to me it seems like she deliberated with her team that she was going to do it, put it up, then her team noticed she was missing a name and asked her to fix it. Or it could've been just her re-going over it. But either way. When I originally attacked her cycle 4, she was still "away". She only said she was back on cycle 5, but her ability was engaged. I know that I lurked a lot more, consulting on the dead doc and PMing the GMs more when I'm an eliminator than when I'm a citizen. Also, we're pretty sure that the Diagramists have an Elsecaller, and so we've got a 50-50 shot of Creccio being the Elsecaller that (at least) made Sart the Diagramist Bondsmith on Cycle 2. As for Adavantos, good for you. Thanks for trying to help out. Although out of all the players, I had you pegged as a non-Diagramist. That's what I get for assuming. But since you seem to be cooperating, and since I'm suspicious of Creccio, I'm voting Creccio.
  10. Zas678
    So I have some information to add. I think this name needs a kickstart, and I think the way to do it will be by adding some little known information. Since no one knows any roles, I'm going to put mine out there if for nothing else than so that people can start working with information. First off, I'm a Ghostblood Cook. I'm one of those pesky cooks that has been doing so much killing. At the beginning of the game I was doing faction kills, now I'm trying (kind of) to do suspicion kills, but that's hard with so little information. First round, thanks to Mail's list that was given, I knew Arraenae was a Son of Honor, and possibly a captain or commander, so I took her out. Second round, I ended up going for Mace Windu, since 1. He was being almost entirely inactive, and 2. He told Mail "You know, you've completely ruined the game." with his list, which led me to believe that his position on Mail's list (Son of Honor) was correct. Then, after his death, I learned that it was both his first game, and second, he was Wilson's close relative. (Sorry Wilson!). Because of some degree of guilt I felt, as well as realizing that the true threat was going to come from the Diagramists, I didn't kill anyone the past two cycles. Lastly, there's 4 cooks, or at least there were last night. I'm also going to give the information I have with Stink- because of his unique play style, I was always slightly suspicious of him, but we messaged back and forth a bit. He contacted me Cycle 2, and he asked for my role (which I declined), and he eventually told me that he was suspicious of Aonar's claim that he was in contact with a Scholar (from mostly gut). I tried asking him about his accusations last cycle, but he never responded to my PMs. Feel free to ask me questions!
  11. Zas678
    I think the bandwagon is occurring because we don't know who to vote for. It's hard with so little information to make good judgements. Anyways, I've got a question. Do scholars receive leadership roles? If so, that is information that is knowable and is verifiable so that we can tell if a scholar's scan is somewhat accurate. Aonar or PK, want to confirm that?
  12. Zas678
    To reiterate, DON'T place spoilers here. This is just the announcement saying that there's only one place for spoilers on 17th shard, and it's HERE. Please don't post spoilers here.
  13. Zas678
    I don't think it's a WGG. It's certainly possible, but I was guessing myself that Adavantos would be likely to be hit, if for no other reason than he's been very active and has been trying to use logic. That often proves more deadly than any particular role, as it can bring with it the possibility of lynching others and influencing others actions.
  14. Zas678
    I think so. Do you also get the position that he had (regular, captain, etc)? That might be one of the easiest ways to double check since that information is accurate, since that's something that is knowable definitely by a few, but not completely known by everyone.
  15. Zas678
    I'm currently the only (I think) person in the running to get a free copy from BYU Bookstore! Whoo-hoo!
  16. Zas678
    But what do we gain if he waits? A Diagramist can still lie to support him, just doing it before hand instead of afterwards.
  17. Zas678
    But the fact that you were an Explorer/Elsecaller was unknown on Day 1. It wasn't till Stink informed us that an attempt was made that you roleclaimed. Yes, you had a chance at being a KR, but from what I saw, you had the same chance as everyone else.
  18. Zas678
    I think that Hellscythe and Stink are acting more suspicious than PK currently. His claim that Venture seems like a WGG seems reasonable, and like something that he would do. I don't see a major difference between his usual play style and how he is currently playing. That being said, I don't see Hellscythe as a legitimate target for a cook, besides Elminators choosing someone vague, and Hellscythe's claim that she was #2 in obviousness is questionable to me. For now, Hellscythe.
  19. Zas678
    Ah, I see. 4 cooks for the issue of balance, 2 for each team. I understand.
  20. Zas678
    Wait, I missed something I think. There was a cook that killed Arraenae, there was a cook that tried to kill Mail but Mail was saved, there was a cook that tried to kill Hellscythe but Hellscythe transported/disapearred... Where's the fourth one? The Eliminators tried to take out Venture with their team kill. I'm with Adavantos. I think that something fishy is going on with Hellscythe and Stink. It seems too fabricated.
  21. Zas678
    You're right, I had misread. I knew that Regular's couldn't approach superiors, but I thought captains and commanders could.
  22. Zas678
    I think that there are three strategies would serve well. One would be a web around regulars. Another would be a top to bottom approach. So the Leader contacts a commander, the commanders contact a captain, and a captain contacts one of their regulars. Although it will be nearly incomplete (the commander and one leader will be stuck without communication), that's one gap that is bridgeable by runners or the bondsmith. Then again, then we have a number of captains who are stuck in little one on one conversations with their regulars. I mean, conversation with two is better than communication with one, but that limits order organizing. Another would be a bottom to top approach- the captains (except possibly one) choose their commanders, the commanders their leader, and the leader chooses a special captain (or regular) to report directly to him a la Dalinar and Kaladin. This makes for a tight group, but leaves out about half of the order, all of the regulars. What will likely end up happening is a smorgasboard of different connections as some go high, some go low, and some go for experience, making for a very interesting web of communication. Though I would recommend not PMing a lurker. If they're only signing on once a cycle, you won't be able to have a very good talk with them.
  23. Zas678
    So to be clear, to start these PMs, do we just choose and start PMing? Or should we PM you/Kas and let you two set it up so you can know for eavesdropping purposes? Also, the question becomes if our Illustrious Leaders should distribute the lists or not. I would either reccommend doing so completely, or not at all (or very very little). All it takes is one Diagramist to intercept in order for them to know everything while we know very little. So if one team does do it, let the other team know so that the Diagramists don't have more informations than the Sons of Honor and Ghostbloods.
  24. Zas678
    I doubt it. Venture might be, but I think Mail had enough arrows pointed at him that his being targeted and protected is reasonable. Venture was a pretty big target too, but just by the Diagramists- they had roleclaimed as a communication position that would make things more difficult for the Diagramists while not having nearly enough votes to have them waste a kill on someone being lynched (like the possible lynch of Stink, who has also roleclaimed as a runner). I don't see it outlandish that they were attacked and protected as well. It's still possible that it was all a set up- the Diagramists tell Venture to post as bait, then fake kill/protect him. That might explain why Venture avoided saying which side they were on- Venture didn't want a cook going after them. However, I would like to hear Venture and see what they have to say about it.
  25. Zas678
    Odds are, if we're assuming 1 in 4 people is a diagramist (since it's a difficult game), 2 of the KR are Diagramists.
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