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Welcome to 17th Shard Senior Tangleton! Or if you prefer it, 2^(4)+1th Shard. Whatever floats your boat. You like Math eh? Have you read the Redshift and Iron Metalmind discussions over in the Mistborn thread? You're sure to like those.... http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/233-redshift/ And http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/888-effects-of-iron-feruchemy/ They've got a lot of really interesting things in them. Though, truth be told, they're a little more physics than math, but meh.

Eh, that's fine that you didn't notice it. I don't think anyone noticed Hoid until after FE, WoA, HoA, Elantris, and Warbreaker. Welcome Braddy Nine! I hope you enjoy it here!

That one is almost certainly a RAFO. We haven't seen any use of their powers, so it may just be belief based on magic of the past, or it may in fact be some form of magic we haven't seen before.

Peter has said that 5 is the wrong number. It may be high, and it may be low, but it is definitely not 5.

I think anyone can Fabrial soulcast- it's just taboo to have a non-priest doing it. There are, however, very very few people who can naturally Soulcast (like Jasnah or Shallan) And the reason why they don't have any Soulcasters in Kharbranth (sp?) is because they don't have the resources (the proper jewels/spren) to make Soulcasters. Anyone can use them. They are just rare, and it's culturally bad to have a non-priest doing it.

Meh, Tomato potato.

Let me try again, but Realmantically this time. So when people die, they sometimes (or maybe even always) see bits of the future and past. Pieces that they can change. So, Endowment offers to let them return. However, their Physical Realm selves are dead. (obviously). So, Endowment gives them a piece of himself- A Divine Breath, a Splinter of Endowment. Oh! Idea! What if the people's original Breath is the breath that keeps them alive for the first week? That would provide the energy needed to survive for a week. So, their own Breath, which is Spiritual Energy, propels them back to life. Now, this energy sustains them through the week. However when the week ends, their "resivoir" of Spiritual Energy that is keeping them alive dwindles, and if it gets too low, the body does what it needs to to survive: it eats the Breath. However, doing this breaks the connection keeping this soul in this dead body. So they die. Imagine it like eating. Imagine that a breath fills your Spiritual stomach for a week. But when that week draws to an end, you can feel yourself getting hungrier and hungrier. When your body gets hungry enough, it starts to eat the fat that's nearby. Little does your body know that that fat is what's keeping your Cognitive self with your Physical self. Does that make any sense at all? EDIT- I wrote month when I meant week.

I bet Peter could answer it, but I bet he won't. No, we'll have to reason it out for ourselves than ask Brandon for more information.

If you've read them all, read the Cosmere 101 topic in General Theories for basics. It'll give you the background information that you need to get started!

about the lightweaving i just meant that it seemed rather easy to learn if it took him a week to master it and can use it all over the worlds, i figured that magic would work other places if you had a part of the shard in you/with you but surely ppl in world would have figured out this lightweaving at some point? it has been thousands and thousands of years and hoid goes all over the place and never shares not even with sigzil who seems to like stories but never makes them shiney? seems selfish! lol but ye i realise it was sample chapters so cant really be relied upon as truth! Just because Hoid is able to learn doesn't mean that others can. For example, I eat metals all the time, and I'm not an Allomancer. I can't burn them. Why? Because I don't have enough Preservation in me. In order to be a magic user, you need to have some of a Shard inside of you. That's what Lerasium does. It increases your connection to Preservation, which makes you a mistborn. So Hoid isn't teaching others not because he doesn't want to, but because others aren't able. They just don't have enough (if any) of Hoid's shard in them.

Oh. That's all? But I have a perfectly logical explanation! The nutrinos just went through a cerrobend bubble at some point!

He's Ookla. What do you expect?

Brandon has said (recently) that the Name of a shard shows their "outview" on the world. That is to say that Preservation wants to preserve other people, not himself. Ruin wants to destroy other people, not himself. I think Odium is the same way.

1. is cultivations pool in or near the purelake? Maybe. I doubt it though. The pools that we've seen so far have been very limited in size. Preservation's wasn't very big, and neither was Aona's in Elantris. 2.what kinda crazy oathpact is honour got himself into where his 10 favorite guys get tortured for thousands of years? and how come taln still came back even after honour has been dead for so long? I think the Oathpact was, basically speaking, that the Heralds would be able to be tortured for time and all eternity IF they were allowed to come back and help the earth through the Desolations. Taln still comes back because he died during the last desolation, unlike the other Heralds who went into hiding. So, he was still connected to the Oathpact, and so he came back for the Final Desolation 3. thunderclasts come from stone, is this why shins dont like stone? i mean i wouldnt wanna walk on stone if a thunderclast might happen to pull itself free right under me. I agree with what has been said above. Shin just find it sacred, because you have to work to find it. It may have orginally had something to do with the thunderclasts though. 4.are dustbringers like anti knights radiant? just destorying stuff? No, my impression was that Dustbringers were Knights Radiant. But that's my gut speaking, and I don't want to find a quote. 5. what happened to all those swords? where they left there just somewhere? can ppl pull them out? surely this woulda been noticed... We haven't been told that all of them are swords. I'd imagine some were pilfered, but a better guess would be that they were made into a memorial that eventually eroded, and they are lost somewhere now. Or perhaps, since they're made of eternal material, they are at the bottom of the Chasms, and are what actually caused the chasms. But that's a random idea. 6. how come the shardplate the kalak was looking at didnt glow? My theory on this is that Shardplate only glows when the person in the armor has made certain connections/committments with the armor. Perhaps they haven't made the right bonds yet? Or maybe it doesn't come till later. This may very well be related to the Nahel Bond that Nohaden talks about. 7.odium is clearly bound as well by the oathpact but when it was broken hasnt done anything, is it like limiting the number of forces he can use in their little fight or something? bit of a random guess there. I think the fact that only one Herald came back has something to do with the long time since the last desolation, but I'm not sure. 8. kalak uses the term east not stormward, and no spren are mentioned, is this important or is it just to ease the reader into it kinda thing? I think that Kalak uses the term East and not Stormward just to make more sense to the reader. Also, I don't think that there are any spren yet either (besides Nahel Bond Spren). If you notice, you see that in the Knight Radiant Abandonment vision, you see that the men complain about it being winter for a "whole 8 weeks", but you don't see any spren. I think that the normal spren are a result of Honor dying, as he died after the Knights Radiant were no more, and we don't see any spren until after the Knight Radiants are gone. 9. same for spren none are mentioned and its a battle See above. 10. why couldnt other honourable ppl just get told to come along grab the sword run off to get tortured and save the world? dalinars visions suggest the almighty was alive for some of them and most are a fair bit after the heralds so surely he was still around then? Because there's some power with the Heralds. I don't know if it was given to them, or if it is inherent, but these people are extremely powerful people, who are able to turn back the tides of Darkness back, and end the Desolations, time after time after time. I also think that Odium (if it is him) is not in the mood to make another Oathpack. 11. is endowments focus colour? Hmm.. Maybe. There's different theories on Focus, Fuel, and Power. Some people think so. Some people think that there is something special about the Tears of Edgli, the flowers that provide most of the color for Hallandren. 12. szeth also names it east it could again be cos the reader doesnt know about storms and how important they are to the ppl of roshar but if its not for that (sometimes reading this makes me look too deeply into things because im sure he has a load of secrets i wont guess!) is it because shin dont really suffer from storms and the term east is perhaps a remnant of their cultural heritage? I bet that Szeth would see it more as east because he doesn't deal with storms as much as those of not-shin would. I think east is the official term, but stormward is more common, just because that's what that is- the way that the storm will be coming. 13.i forget what jasnah is doing when gavilar is assassinated and cant remember if it is mentioned but why isnt she studying the parshendi? (i think it probably is but its alot of book to look thru and someone might remember!) I don't know what she's doing. I'd assume that she probably isn't studying the Parshendi, as it seems to be a fairly recent thing for her interests. She's probably studying some other historical record. 14.szeth thinks elhokars companions at this feast are unimportant, does this mean that really they are very important to any1 reading but not szeth? an azish with a pale patch of skin on his cheek is pretty distinctive, altho a nervous alethi isnt so much does any1 remember them showing up anywhere else in the book? Nope. I don't remember them anywhere else. I personally think that they may be Selians, but that's just me... 15. why is it profane to use stormlight for illumination but not for lashing stuff randomly? I think it might be profane for him to lash things- but he's truthless. He has no honor, and so must do what his masters say. Or it may just be that they are using this incredible, powerful force as a light. I suppose it might be like creating cold fusion, and using it to power your house. Just a total waste, and a disrespect to the power of cold fusion. 16. parshendi have a tradition of a killer wearing white, This post has been reported for attempting to skirt the rules? they have traditions of sending killers? and are seriously honourable about it? judging from what we have seen about how they act they all seem to act in pretty much unison so what requires one to send a killer so often that they have a tradition about it? They seem to be in union now- maybe that wasn't always the case though. 17. why are there torches in the passageway to the kings chamber? there are stormlight lights all over the place but torches there? torches arent particularly pleasant anyway they give off less consistent light and smell bad! Chance. Probably. 18.i kinda think stormlight is a little like the dor, i mean come on, both are white. the dor seems to be a shards power trapped (in shadesmar?) trying to get into the physical realm thru bridges and the like, whereas stormlight seems to be able to do similar things but isnt a huge force trying to push thru and is instead spread thinly accross the land with the storms every now and then, dunno just kinda rambling now ignore that bit! Ignored. 19. are seons like nightblood? the whole type 4 thing? something that wasnt living given life and sentience? just made differently obviously, with aons not commands and are spren? the conscious sentient ones? they seem to have been around before the normal mindless bunch. Perhaps. The only difference seems to be that Nightblood was an object that was added sentinence, and Seons seem to be naturally sentinent (although it may require a connection with a human), and Old Spren seem to be naturally sentinent, when it makes a Nahel Bond. However, I think Nightblood is very different because he was hand-made rather than shard-made. 20. szeth claims stormlight can only be held for a few minutes yet when kaladin is climbing up the chasm wall (if i remember correctly) he goes 15 minutes holding his breathe with it, using the most stormlight consuming lashes, whereas szeth is surrounded by brightly glowing lamps and needs to refuel on a permanent basis. Can kaladin hold more because of his bond which has started with syl? or does he just have more? i would assume the lamps give more then his limited supply that is always being talked about? he appears to do ever better with it after saying the words, if he gets to full knight radiant will he be able to hold it in perfectly like said voidbringers? I've always thought that Kaladin is more efficient at using his stormlight than Szeth, and that's due to the Words that he's said. 21. This post has been reported for attempting to skirt the rules are voidbringers doing holding stormlight, just a myth gone wrong or do they really also hold stormlight? if they do is it just honours power or is it more then that? One theory that has been said that Parshendi are like the Kandra- they are technically "Of Odium" but live a "Honorable" life. Or maybe Odium changed the prophecies so that the Parshendi are the Voidbringers. I don't know. 25.things frost up when he uses stormlight, is this any relationship to the frostlands that used to be natanatan? it didnt seem like a cold place when dalinar went there (i think he went there :/) was that some massive use of power? I doubt it. I bet that climates have changed dramatically in the past thousand years or so. 26. why do shardblades kill so weirdly? i mean the eyes appear to be important on roshar, seems that the power given by a shard shone thru their eyes so is there something significant about the fact the smoke burn then blacken? thats abit creepy. Perhaps what Shardblades do is that they cut through the Spiritual Aspect of objects. For non-sentient beings, that means that they sever the spiritual bond (the electromagnetic force. It says in the back of the book that gravity is a spiritual bond, so the theory holds) that holds objects together. However, when it meets a sentient being (even if it is only barely sentient like a Great Shell), it cuts through the soul instead. This separation of the soul makes the eyes (window to the soul) burn. 28. szeth seems to know what voidbringers look like...isnt this important? jasnah rly wants to know and szeth a truthless could just tell her :/ does that mean all the shin know? or just the religious parts, perhaps maybe jsut a myth i dunno. Where does it say this in the text? I don't remember this. 29. ok this one is abit of a random one you may wanna just skip. I dont understand szeths comment, his lashings interfered with the gems that power the shardplate. I could understand if wearing shardplate would be annoying cos he couldnt lash himself (if that applies to oneself as it does to lashing other ppl in shardplate) but how do his lashing specifically interfere with the gems? I dont know if i look too much into BWS wording but i assume that if it was drawing in stormlight that drew in the gems in the shardplates and made it unusable he would have worded it differently, but i dont see how his lashings could interfere specifically with the gems :/ the windrunners knight radiants wear shardplate that glows and i would assume they wouldnt bother if it cancelled out their abilities, altho it stops glowing as soon as they take it off so perhaps the glow is from them and now the plate itself, but then where do they have the power to do that? they dont glow with stormlight as they walk off and dalinar doesnt seem to suck in stormlight to increase his plates function, is there other ways to power them? Perhaps at the Highest Levels of the Knights Radiant, you yourself become a conduit for the power of Honor, and that power flows through you into the Shard Plate, and yet you can still use it to fight. 30. dalinar glows when he goes to protect elhokar from the chasmfiend, he also moves faster then a man in shardplate should and stops a chasmfiend which has been noted for its size and ability to crush a man even in shardplate, it seems the shardplate gives dalinar extra strength and speed (when he was on his way to protect his brothers son and kingdom which he may or may not have sworn an vow to do, i cant remember, if he did then is it just because he wanted to protect or because he swore he would protect them and needed it to keep up his vow?) does any1 know anything more about what order he is aiming towards? and how come he gets visions now and not before, is it because he went abit honour crazy after gavilars death and only now is at the point where he is truly honourable enough to get these visions? why doesnt kaladin? whats special about dalinar how does it know he leads? Dalinar is more of a Leader than Kaladin is I feel. Kaladin's more of a protector, but Dalinar really wants those who are following him to do the right thing. I have no clue what order he's headed toward (especially since we only have one Order name right now). 31. fabrials use stormlight and spren to work...do spren consume stormlight? In a way. I believe that Spren are a "gate" to the power. (Sort of like how metal is the gate in Mistborn). You give the spren power, and then they transfer it into what you want. But then again, in Shin, where there are no Storms, there aren't any spren. 32. gavilar is useless, he gives away nothing baout anythingl....why did he have that sphere and how did he get it? why is it too late? obviously thats nothing to do with the sphere cos he is still worried about them getting it any1 know what plans he has set in motion whilst preparing for assassins for months? why are ghostbloods called ghostbloods, is there a reason for the name? RAFO 33. who got his shardblade, how come elhokar didnt? I'm not sure. I think Adolin might have, since Elhokar already had his own Shardplate. 35. axies(?) the collector has some weird magic, that doesnt seem related to the knights radiant or heralds in any way...whats he got? Perhaps he has what the Returned had, but in an easier way to mess around. 36. ok this is alot on spren i dont rly get them My guess? Spren can't read minds. They may be able to sense emotions, but that's a whole different ball game than reading. I think one of the Great Shard Laws is that Shards can't read minds. I don't know why, but they can't. They can change and push people's minds, but they can't actually read them. Nightblood can read minds because that's what he essentially is- pieces of humans. 37.if the purelaker religion has any basis on roshar in the shards it suggests that shards cant read minds here. which one do they now pretend to worship? I bet that they pretend to worship Odium instead of his brother Honor. Or that's what it originally was. one last thing, hoid or midius learnt lightweaving in a week to a skill level that he could converse with it? was i reading that wrong or has no1 else apparently ever figured out this lightweaving that seems to work in all worlds? Brandon has said that all magics should be able to work on other planets. However since we haven't had a good description of Lightweaving yet (and what we do have isn't cannon), we'll have to go with what we got. Hope that helps! EDIT- Formatting

My guess would be that it's all used up in one blast. Every "birthday" of the week, they need to have a new breath, or their old one will get consumed in an attempt to keep the Cognitive and Spiritual connection linked to the Physical body.

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If I remember right, Brandon originally wasn't going to write the Way of Kings until much later, because he felt like he wasn't ready to take on such a monstrous work. He didn't think he was ready for a 10 book series. After working on WoT, he felt much more qualified to work on the SA, so that's what he did next, instead of White Sand, Scribbler, or a sequel.

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Where was this (just generally)? That's totally awesome!

I don't know, but I know that it seems like it may have happened before... From BS store (Aon Ehe) Now this may just be a normal migration, or it could be a similar transportation as seems to be described with the Rosharian people.

Here's the best pitch I've seen Brandon give for the series (from the Brandonothology)

Death by clicking over and over and over again.

Umm... actually Scholastic won't be publishing the (still unwritten) fifth book. Brandon says he still plans on writing it, and that he'll find another publisher (which will likely be Tor). But it won't be Scholastic (which isn't the worst thing in the world....)

Except that it says "Aona and Skaze are dead, and what they held has been Splintered." This seems to say a major Shard power loss, not to mention a passing of two ancients.

Yeah, but while sitting there, he gets to see the person about to assassinate the king. Who says that he stayed there?