Pechvarry

Those of you who prefer the first picture need only read the original thread to see the proof that there's no pleasing the internet. Personally, I only saw 2 differences: Kaladin is under 40, and his headband is under the hair instead of on top. And that's 2 changes I approve of. @UK cover: that picture was drawn by someone who hasn't read the book, probably knows nothing about the story. So it isn't a shining example of what "should" be.

These back covers are too dramatic and pessimistic to be written by Hoid. Not his personality at all. Plus, tWoK makes references to "we" I believe.

We really need to ask Brandon that non-native Breath question again. His response is so oddly ambiguous. In a grammar way, not Aes Sedai. Seriously, I think this is the 3rd time we've discussed how to read the sentence.

No evidence, but I feel like that whole "capacity to hold power thing" is part of what you store away, in regards to that certain power. In other words, no amount of tapped weight can affect your spiritweb, if all the energy came from you. Of course, Compounding breaks that.... by a lot.

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I reread the passage. By context, I think gibletish is the real target. I wouldn't be surprised if the other word is a red herring. Plots behind plots...

Looks Svordish. I know Shardlet already mentioned phonetics, but to reiterate: try a c in place of the k.

Ah. Thanks for that.

I hope Sebruki grows up to be a super awesome worldhopper.

I had to skim much of your post because I haven't read Sixth, but I think a lot of it has merit. I don't think Brandon will "waste" 1/8th of the shards on this unimportant planet, but it's possible his count of 16 relies on some already dead off screen. However, I seem to be reacting against the idea that both stories share a world. Like I said, I haven't read 6th. But I can't imagine it's doomed the way ssfh feels. I really like the idea of the shades as some sort of twisted enforcement. Completely autonomous but flawed in what they enforce. This would sidestep issues of Intent. If anyone were to hold all of adonalsium, my vote would be Sazed. But I hope Hoid has a better plan than a single conciousness. That would just start the cycle over again. Though I just imagined that maybe adonalsium does regularly shatter and reassemble, that seems like a topic for another time.

I still think the name almost sounds like a joke. granted, all components of the name are explained, but I was hoping for a really good in-story explanation to give meaning to the mouthful.

Good point. Like drinking liquid charcoal to absorb poison, the silver seems to suck in their essence and be ruined in the process. But why silver? The metals of Scadrial are forms, filtering and shaping power towards a task. But silver isn't a focus, or a fuel, or any of those "normal" Cosmeric things. It doesn't do anything magical. It's just kind of a kryptonite foil. Somehow, I feel like whatever defines silver as the anti-shade is also what arbitrarily defined the Simple Rules.

Doesn't seem right for a general reaction thread and such. WARNING: There be spoilers ahead! This thread not for those who haven't read. (hah that rhymed) The first thing that really stuck out to me was the black veins. This seems very much like what Nightblood does, which itself feeds on (at least one form of) Investiture. I'm guessing shades' touch uses the target's physical aspect as fuel and draws out whatever innate Investiture this planet's humans have. Since a spark of investiture is required for true sentience, this would explain why there aren't any animal shades, despite them triggering the shade murder response. The Simple Rules themselves are bewildering, but I'm thinking it has something to do with the cognitive existence of a concept like violence. I.e. in shadesmar, violence is as tangible a thing (like a shard?) as a chair. It can't be intent, as the story shows multiple times. I suppose we shouldn't dally on simple rules, as there's a thread for that. Any realmatic gleanings from the rest of 17th shard?

Actually... I don't think we have any evidence that Soulforging is at all affected by distance. Only AonDor has been shown to exhibit that issue.

My understanding is that they were going for the horse. But with all the shades dazed and all of the group fighting (and causing motion), it simply didn't matter. I'm mostly with kurk on the story: good, intense, but not grabbing me and making me seriously interested like most Sanderson does. I don't know if he felt he had to make it bleak because it was a GRRM anthology or what. The only reason I think I'll read it twice is because it's only 50 pages long.

and why the heck am I the only not-Ookla on these forums? I disappear for like 3 days...

Responding to OP; not timeline discussion.

The author post script... Thing mentions that Brandon was already working on a magic "system" for Sel when inspiration hit for TES, and that forging was a great compliment to it. Or something. I don't want to put words in his mouth (or his book), but I definitely remember thinking he was insinuating there was another new magic system, ostensibly for Elantris 2. This could be bloodsealing, or it could be something else. I mention this because, if it's something else and it somehow fits really well on the same planet as forgery, there's a decent chance forgery would return or at least get mentioned in relation to this other system.

I'm with Shardlet on this. We're the 17th shard; our direct link is right on the front page of Brandon's site. And yet we have to go elsewhere, to a site that only helps if you have an idea what you're searching for, and with a great deal of information you're not looking for. Also, I was here for at least a year before someone explained that I have to hit search twice. As for medium: you guys are seriously overlooking the obvious answer: YES. Start a big, comment-free thread (btw, consider making a second thread for comments and concerns and link to it in the OP very clearly and... Boldly). We will post new info to it just fine. WoB doesn't retroactively stop existing. If people don't like the format, they can take info from the thread and devote a wiki page to it, complete with links. I understand multiple copies of the same info runs the risk of not being concurrent, but both, thread and wiki, can easily be caught up.

Mmm. I don't know how this would work without Feruchemic Iron somewhere in the equation. Whoever's heavier moves more. If they're near the same weight, they would just repeatedly crash into each other and get flung away. EDIT: I'm dumb. You're saying they still have horseshoes or whatever. They just happen to be taped together (Ripley flamethrower/machine gun logic). I was thinking some sort of harness that keeps them loosely attached to push and pull on each other.

We have WoB stating you can get magics to work off their planet. I believe he expressly states "Sel would take some work." My break just ended so someone else will have to find the quote. I think there's a lot of weirdness with AonDor. And the other systems of Sel just make AonDor more odd, since the others don't have a singular event occur that enables you. There's something of a chicken/egg conundrum with Elantris, being a giant Aon, controlling who can and can't make Aons.

Darnam, thanks for reviving this topic. It fell off my "new content" page and we're so bad at staying strictly on topic around here, I can never tell which thread I said what in. You asked a few weeks ago about what I meant. Basically, my last sentence was a more clearly stated version of my first sentence: seems like Scadrian Investiture should've been detected in the manner you describe first. But there are some good points to be made. Even if you can't see spiritweb bindpoints (which I would envision as points where innate Investiture is "closer to the surface"), having the regular Noble population learning how to detect power inside of a hemalurgic spike definitely seems like the sort of thing TLR would suppress. Can't have them figuring out the source of his and his inquisitors' power. For your fanfic, you made several mentions to importing Scadrian metal. Is that still a thing? I thought we finally got WoB that metal anywhere in the Cosmere is potential allomantic fuel. The one thing I think I should mention: malleable copperclouds and many of your proposed bronzedar (thanks for that, btw) ideas really feel like they should be savant-level skills. Maybe this was your intention, though. Just make sure there aren't any Catquisitors in your story. Anything but that. Tangent: Iron/Steel don't necessarily need you to "see" either. Afterall, Inquisitors have no eyes, and Brandon has said a blind mistborn could learn the same trick. Among other things, this makes me think one could learn to detect metal coming at you from behind while keeping your eyes on your opponent. Likewise, Bronze is interpreted as a sound or vibration, but is clearly more than that. I like this parallel a lot.

Awesome because name.

@Darnam: I have no proof. I put this forth as a theory. And not even one I'm completely sold on. But I find it a very compelling line of thought. As for "I'm a god because people worship me" -- this is more a notion on cognitive aspects in the Cosmere. A chair thinks it's a chair. It could even be called a throne, but would it see itself as a throne without an empire acknowledging the power of the person sitting upon it? If enough people believe The Survivor continues to watch over them, would this be enduring enough to keep his mind from fading away? But I don't think the Church of the Survivor gives him power. I don't think it makes him capable of traversing the Cosmere. I just think it's something of a foundation for his mind. And I think the power of Preservation expanded that mind. I think I did a pretty good job of giving reasons why I DO think Kel could be the founder.

Yes, the recipient is a dragon. As I said earlier in this thread: I know The Recipient isn't Kelsier. I also know The Seventeenth Shard is an organization. But It seems entirely possible this organization is named for a ghost sliver Kelsier at its head. Or, as I suggested at the end of the OP, a group of similar cognitive Slivers. Not "your minions." Your friends. While it's obvious this dragon has a great deal of pull in what the Seventeenth Shard does, this implies he is not part of the Seventeenth Shard. I regret even mentioning the letter in my OP, as this is entire string of conversation is starting to feel entirely nonsequitor. The fact is: Demoux worshiped Kelsier and not Sazed. It makes more sense to me for him to be Kell's champion; not Harmony's.