Amanuensis
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Maybe we should coerce the GM by ganging up on him with votes RIP. Though I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Karn thing I pointed out, I'm a big advocate of slep. Maybe plug your phone in the wall away from your bed and force yourself to lie in the dark?
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1. It's simply more fun this way 2. Yeah, LAFO is where I'm at rn. I've no clue how to read Devo without the knowledge of her deliberately obscuring meta, and by this point I think if she was Village, even while obscuring it, something would have pinged me in that direction. Yay PoE. I guess I'm also not a fan of the questions she's been asking me either; like it's all speculation based around alignments we don't know (which I generally find distracting rather than productive), and supports my Mat/Stick V/V feelz.
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Points to V!Stick and E!Devo too for casting doubt on E!Karn, which is basically where I'm at now, regardless of that info. Conf bias weeeeeeeeeeeee
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Oh yeah, another problem I have reconciling with Karn that I dunno if it's been talked about before. @Kasimir Karn originally voted Archer for claiming Village Epic, right? But now he's claiming Village Epic? Like, what.
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TBF I suspect both Devo and Karn and think they could be teammates, but also could not be, so it's a win-win in my book if one of them is E at least the elims will surely feel compelled to do something. If both of them are E then it'll get even more interesting ED1T: Oh yeah, @Orlok Tsubodai, my buddy, my pal, my friend. I hope you're not killing yourself trying to do the spreadsheet thing because today is also up to 10 pages now and that's pretty kayana on top of D1's activity. I know it's your thing and that at the very least you want to internalize everything before you properly get into the game, but I would love your insight in the here and now, so I kinda have a suggestion (which you can say no to or not). At the start of this game I tried doing what you do (kinda), except I didn't make comments on every single post, just the ones that stood out to me. I gave up on Page 5 because that's when my tunnel on Mat formed and I couldn't do anything but want to vote him, but it might be a good call for you at this point in order to lighten the load. Hope you're doing well
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Making my last edit a post since Kas brought us to a new page right after. Devotary. Karnatheon. Might as well see if this train can take off to save Devo. ED1T: @Thaidakar the Ghostblood do you really want to vote a claimed neutral still, and not a potential elim?
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TYVM. For some reason I thought Tani had another vote, but that might've been Kas before voting Szeth. What do I wanna doooo
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@|TJ| do you have a vote count handy? Too lazy to make one myself rn
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NGL this turn has kind of been a breath of fresh air after D1? Like, it's undoubtedly been less productive since a lot of it has been centered on game mechanic speculation rather than actually trying to exe anybody, but I'm kinda glad for it. Especially since it's helping you too TBH I'm pretty invested in D1 V/V trains right now. Idk if anyone cares but the reason why I mentioned tunneling re:Mat a lot is because of my nature. I'm a Pisces Sun and Capricorn Rising, so there's always this duality with me where I'm very Feeling-based (Pisces/Water) but also Logic-based (Cap/Earth). Mat gave me so many village feelings but a lot of logical failings as well. This is a reoccurring conflict I have IRL (especially when dealing with other people), which is mafia distilled, so I'm always torn in those scenarios (especially given my past history of people deliberately using feelings to dismiss logical inconsistencies I noticed in their behavior, which turned out to be right). Alas, those experiences have left me with a lot of self-doubt, hence me overcompensating by doubling down on Mat being elim until the very end. I basically feel like, even while leaning most of the Mat voters as Village, a vast majority came in after I publicized said logical inconsistencies (hence the train meme) and given it was D1 and we almost never have good reasons to exe someone on D1, a Villager would feel more inclined to join a well-thought-out exe versus one that no one really pushed for. Which is also why I think most elims would prefer to stay away from it entirely and go for another Villager instead, to set up a future miss-exe / make themselves look better for not joining the Mat train. It's definitely a good play from either side is where I'm at. As a whole it looks like a villager thing, which an elim could replicate (I did it in the anon game) and be encouraged by more experienced elims on the team, so that's why I want to look at the individual reads within and compare it to their votes (which I'll probably do soon). This stands out to me too, mostly because he decided to claim today. Like, he went out of the way to obscure his role in the first place, only to claim today when it looked like people are receiving Epic claims well + discussing conversion mechanics over a traditional team. That and the fact that we still don't know why another vote is missing from the EoD Karn train. This reminds me of something I wanted to do earlier but forgor. Okay so, in a scenario where a Soother removed one of Araris, Tani, or my votes but wasn't there at EoD, where did we all sit originally? Araris on Mat. Myself on Mat. Tani on Stick. Karn moved a vote off of Mat and onto Stick, hence Stick gaining 1. Which means Karn/Stick can't be E/E, but Karn/Mat could be E/E, You took a vote off of Mat, which accounts for the second lost vote on him. So what's more likely? Elim!Soother trying to cancel Araris' vote/my vote on Mat, or Elim!Soother trying to cancel Tani's vote on Stick? ED1T: OR THE ALTERNATIVE, where the Soother was there at EoD and decided to remove a vote from Karn, rather than Mat or Stick. Which again brings me to thinking Karn could very well be E, since I'm V-leaning Mat and Stick. ED2T: Oh yeah, @STINK. I currently think you're a Regular too (based on your response to Mat not understanding why anyone could be certain about Regulars in the game), but you're probably smart enough to draw the conclusion independent of your own role. Not exactly asking for a claim, but I'm inviting it if you think it's worthwhile.
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Uhh, tbh I might be okay with claims in blackout games because yes it makes the elims job easier but it also makes the village's job significantly easier cause like you said, we know pretty much nothing about mechanics, and there's always room for lying anyway... BUT you shouldn't claim just because I would like you to. Players should do whatever they think is best imo. I feel you on the boring thing, which is why your blackouts are fun post stood out to me. I started only knowing that I was roleless (which is pretty much what I wanted anyway, lets me be chill and focus solely on exe discussion, which I do find fun within itself) so people with roles immediately became obvious for me (Mat, Archer, Stick, etc). Glad to know you'll be active later, happy to give you time to put in work before I determine your alignment. RP is very welcome. I should do some too.
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I'm reading their role as something that's High Risk, High Reward which idk, could be village or elim I guess? But either way unless Mat/Stick are E/E, it'd be weird to like, be okay with the Village getting it in their hands. Presumably, the item would explain why it's High Risk High Reward too, as well as the role reveal in the write-up, so /shrug TBH I don't really think I care to try figuring that out until I know their alignments? Feels like a waste of time / a distraction to me. I guess I could put in the work but, well, that's work, and after the anon game I'm strictly against doing things because I think I have to. Just following the vibes ya'know. I'm not saying every other cycle, since from every turn on from here (assuming we get an alignment flip at all), we'll always have an alignment flip to work off of, even if it's from two cycles ago. Ah, I misunderstood the context. I thought your argument was that Stick had doubted the existence of Village Epics, not that Stick believed all elims would be Epics. Which, imo, is a fair assumption for a villager to make based on the faction names alone / without knowing the elim distro. Reckoner Allies and Corrupted Epics have very different contexts, since Allies could literally mean anything while Epics is a lil more specific. Combined with my D1 views of Dannnex ("blackouts are fun" = got a role, but then completely vanishes all turn) and their posts today: Can't really see an elim being completely out of the loop and actively inviting suspicion. Almost think he's got some kind of Jester role but even then, he's not putting effort into getting exed. It's one thing to lurk and say nothing (elimmy), another thing to be completely detached. So basically the only reason I'd want to exe Dannnex is to see what his role is for greater context of the game, and even that comes with a risk so, not highest priority? But could be persuaded if people really think he could be an elim despite this? Thinking now tho, I'd maybe be down for a Karn exe too. Could see an elim epic that almost got randomly exed seeing a few v epics claim and get well-received for it, then doing the same for transparency cred. Also wouldn't doubt the elims have vote manip and the fact that his is a mirror for yours + advocating the conversion topic could also be him taking advantage of the mistaken lack of NK and my speculation to further distract us. Also JNV is a player I want to discuss more because the meme I posted after his unsolicited wall post wasn't me saying I believe he's village, which Striker immediately ran with. The source of the meme is the character saying "Is this a pigeon?" when to anyone who knows what butterflies/pigeons are, isn't. I posted it because I honestly had no dang idea how to read it at the time. Like one part of me was like, yeah okay Villager bye, while the rest was like, are you sure about that??? ED1T: Noting that my quoting Dannnex apparently summoned him to the thread. Wondering if he'll leave before posting.
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My reads from yesterday: Exes I'm cool with: Devo, Szeth, Tani, Mint, Dannex, probably in that order. ED1T: Kinda would like to give Devo more time, but also would be the most informational exe, so /shrug Dannnex is kinda a weird one for me because I'm both leaning Village for him and pretty confident he has a role, which could be good info to have from a low-active kill, but would be me exeing a villager deliberately so doesn't feel good enough
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Smaller numbers across multiple clusters like. 4/4/4/4/4 versus 10/10.
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Well not exactly, yeah? We could at least see your own vote disappear / another vote get added to your target (who I presume you'll announce at the very last minute), or see your vote stay so, we don't whollu need confirmation of its success from you. That said, I don't think you'll get NK'd today. But maybe that's just Copium.
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Remind me: do you know if your action could only be redirected to Villagers voting, or if it could be redirected to non-voting Villagers too, and thus effectively do nothing? Cause I think that's the biggest problem. We'd need most people voting and probably decently spread out to make sure elims couldn't fake it by interfering with their own manips.
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Given how much time is remaining in the turn, it's probably too late to coordinate today, and tbh I'd rather do normal exes, especially in the future (assuming we do get alignment flips and this BLACKOUT game isn't an utter troll, *cough all-black alignments cough*). Def wouldn't recommend forcing anyone to do it, but if anyone wants to volunteer (for science!) then I wouldn't say no either. RE: the RNG part, we could still make sure the person we collectively decide to exe has the most votes (4 would be safest based on the vote manip we have seen?), but again, coordination is really the biggest problem. For me I'm less interested in the pseudo-scan than I am in making sure Striker isn't lying, but I def wouldn't be upset if someone got cleared from it.
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On that note, not exactly advocating it, but it's something I've thought about since Kas' role claim. If we really wanted to test the legitimacy of Striker's passive, we could organize everyone into voting themselves today, which would have the added benefit of psuedo-scanning a villager for everyone to see.
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The contents of their 1,2,3 posts being very stream of thought and revised as new info and interactions came in were a good look. I've no doubts in her ability to fake them, but tonally they match up with the impression Emerald left on me in the anon game. That and the genuine annoyance in that one C1 post about how no matter what she does people sus her for it. She wasn't getting voted on IIRC, so it felt more like a reaction to people not taking her posts seriously, which suggests to me that she's taking them very seriously (more seriously than I'd expect an elim to, given they know it's all forced). (ED1T: I will say my read of Illwei somewhat hinges on Mat's alignment tho. If Mat is an Elim then I could see them being partners). Oh yeah @Devotary of Spontaneity, on the subject of Stick. I think you mentioned that Stick gave the impression she had thought all epics were elims around the time of Archer's claim, right? How do you feel about that now that she's claiming Village Epic?
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Tbh forgot Illwei existed for a moment. She hasn't been very active today She would be the one exception, but I feel kinda similar to her as I do Stick. A few things that make me lean village but nothing that outright confirms it for me.
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Don't really have any other leads or the desire to find one, my brain has kinda turned off since Mat's death (probably somewhat impacted by the lack of an alignment flip, but mostly because I didn't want to be writing walls and leading the village in the first place; I just had to with Mat because it was literally all I could think about). I'm not exactly sold on Stick being a Villager. But I really did like their post where they said they had a role they looked forward to using, but if Mat lived then an item could be made out of it, so at least it could still be used. Since then they've been relatively open about clarifying it, and the nonchalance I felt during that exchange was pretty reassurring. So like, yes, I think it's silly to kill the counter wagon when we don't even know the other's alignment, but there are few smol things that make me lean village. That and like, I seriously haven't found a reason to village read a single person that voted Stick last turn, and I've found a reason to village lean nearly everyone on the Mat wagon, so... Araris is kinda a nonstarter for me because I've never known how to read him and it seems a lot of the arguments against him are rep paranoia which by association annoys me and I'm wholly against. I'm on mobile rn so cba to quote it over, but I posted a sort of readslist on page 18 or 17 of C1 in the form of a color coded vote count, which is still basically where I'm at until I know for sure Mat's V or E. I'd probably be okay with voting any black name but Araris/Orlok, but a lot of those players are also not super active so idk. Fundamentally, I agree with something Kas pointed out during C1 I think where we do have a tendency to exe active players early for "max info" and how that inevitably punishes effort and rewards inactivity. So I *think* given the nature of these delayed alignment flips stifling discussion, it might not matter too much today? So we exed a very active Mat C1 but don't get his alignment to act on until C3 right? So then today we are all kinda lost and confused (more so because of the lack of elim kill) with no certain direction to go. So why not exe a lower active? Give the active people more room to work and breathe? Then when we get the Mat alignment we can start delving into the nitty gritty of C1 and apply it to C2 reactions, and things can properly snowball from there.
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I'll save TJ the trouble Devotary. TBH this vote is basically just PoE for me. There isn't anything inherently elim about Devo that I've seen, but also nothing inherently village. I'd be open to another exe if the argument is good enough. I don't see myself voting for Stick unless it's a particularly compelling argument, so I'd maybe recommend another candidate, Devo. ED1T: Oh and if someone did get converted, my money is on STINK. Btw did anyone ask if conversions would be announced? I don't remember if so.
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You're right. This is beginning to look like an elim hammer. TJ. I'm watching you though >>
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Concern? I think you mean fun! Swore!? At you!?!? That's it! TJ. I'm calling for mutiny. Earlier today I asked TJ if regulars could do normie actions like search Mat's pockets and look through his phone for alignment clues, and he told me they disposed of Mat's body by throwing it in the ocean, and I nearly lost it right then. I didn't sign up for polluting the world! I signed up for saving it! And no one... I mean NO ONE... Swears at Kasimir and gets away with it !!!
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Oh. Huh. But he didn't clarify that for the other Epics?
