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  1. little wilson
    It was said in a moment of anger, and they apologized shortly after it. Not that that changed my belief, but I went on to spend most of my teenage years throwing it back in their face in every argument so.....yeah. By "throwing it back in their face" I mean that if they got upset with me about something, I'd be like "Well, I'm a waste of human flesh, remember? Why you should you expect anything different?!" and the like. It was my ultimate trump card. (Though it did sting a lot and I didn't stop really believing it until my early 20's) Also, I just want to say that I get along with my parents quite well today, including the parent who said that so while it led to some interesting formative years, my adult-life is just fine. Admittedly, I also went through a year of counseling, but that was only minorly related to this incident.
  2. little wilson
    ....Anchorage is farther away from Spokane than Minnesota. By, like, 1000 miles. And while Idaho is closer, Spokane isn't exactly near the center of the state. A city like Idaho Falls or Twin Falls are both over 500 miles away from Spokane, so....her rationale concerns me. And yes, The Plan is good. Those are entirely unhealthy patterns, though I can't really fault you for having them, since I'm pretty sure I had them in part growing up as well. For instance, when one of my parents called me a waste of human flesh when I was 10, I instantly believed it, because a parent would know that, right? .....older me facepalms at younger me's naivety. Breaking those patterns is most definitely the best plan and really the only way you'll start actually feeling better about yourself and what you can accomplish.
  3. little wilson
    Oh, you have no idea how up for a song battle I am.
  4. little wilson
    Wilson wasn't supposed to be here. She'd sworn off meddling in these types of affairs after the last time when it had, quite literally, blown up in her face. She still woke up some nights, with the vivid images of fire consuming the court and the pain of poison scorching through her veins. She hadn't figured out how she had survived that night back on Sel, but that was irrelevant to her now. All that mattered was that now, now, a Heatherlocke had turned against her. She hadn't believed it at first. When Wilkin had told her, she assumed he must be mistaken. A Heatherlocke would never turn against her. They were as loyal as a clan could ever be. Or so she thought. That song.....that song said otherwise. She felt betrayed. Horribly, terribly betrayed. How dare he do this?! She stepped forward, out of the darkness and into the light, staring at the Heatherlocke. She snapped her fingers and her own song began. There was a time when friends were true When their voices were staunch And their words unfailing There was a time when you were new And you gave me a name And the name was enlight’ning There was a time Then it all went wrong I dreamed a dream in games gone by When fear was high And life just killed me. I dreamed that I would soon survive I dreamed that Hael would be more friendly Then I was young and so naive And dreams were made and used and wasted There was no hatred in his soul No cruel thoughts, no adversaries. But Odium came along With his spite strong as a stormwall And he tore my hope apart As he turned my Rep to Hate He stayed an era by my side He gave a name of such Bright recall He took my repute in his stride But he was gone when hatred came And still I dream he'll come to me That our clans’ bond would soon recover But there are dreams that cannot be And there are scorns we will discover I had a dream that Hael would be So different from this hate I’m seeing So different now from what it seemed Now Hael has killed the dream I dreamed.
  5. little wilson
    I think he means secondary win condition.
  6. little wilson
    There isn't anything in the writeup. No hints. No nothing. Joe PMed me right after posting it because he is a kind person who knew that I would analyze every detail to discover what happened. Your tomfoolery won't get me scouring it. Sorry. Also, you made me cry from laughter again. Thanks...
  7. little wilson
    He's not unlynchable. I'm investing in him as we speak since I suspect that he's Ruin. It appears that Alv redirected Ruin from Hoid since Endowment never got Ruin back (to be honest, I was hoping Alv would do this since I felt bad about taking Dominion away but if we hadn't, Alv would've forced Survival and Hoid to change alignments and I really didn't want to have to deal with that mess). This is part of why there was no kill last night. If my investment fails, I'll know that I'm right and then we can lynch him.
  8. little wilson
    Well, I did my part, and I think I had every reason not to do anything. I majorly overdosed on caffeine Saturday night/Sunday morning (I ingested somewhere between 400-500 mg because I am an idiot) and spent most of yesterday in bed wanting to die and having absolutely no motivation to do anything at all except drink water and curse my idiocy (quite literally). It was fun. C'mon, people! If I can force myself to write something in the haze of dizziness and nausea, you sure can too! ....Okay, not really, but we do need some discussion. Even just a little bit. Please?
  9. little wilson
    Ah, yes. What was I thinking? I think I was still broken up about having my PR agent turn on me so horrendously. *sigh* Lord Odium, would you enlighten me as to your purpose for questioning me about my methods in creating PM groups? Also, might you free the rest of your followers so we can show them the light? The darkness and hate they live in must be stifling, and I'm sure they'd like to see some sun. I can't imagine that being constantly consumed with odious thoughts makes their existence worthwhile, and if you were truly seeking pure hatred of everyone, what better way to obtain it than by rejecting those who only seek to follow you? By maintaining your hold on them, it shows your hand--that being that you care about them. But the Lord of Hate can't care, can he? Right, right. I assume there are at least two more, then? I hear you need at least three to successfully blow up a world. Does the Osterhagen Key have a teleportation ability that lets them flit between stations to arm them?
  10. little wilson
    Over the last couple days, I've been looking over the players who haven't been scanned and aren't Shards, trying to find potential OC's. I've also been looking for connections players might have to Alv/Hael. Right now, my eye is mostly directed on Eol. I believe he is an OC for a couple of different reasons. 1. On Day 1, I was rather careless with my identity, and it wasn't long before multiple rumors were abound that I was Cultivation. Kipper and Seonid both helped spread some misinformation and circulate other rumors about Cultivation's identity, with some rumors stating it was Orlok, some saying it was Dow, and others saying it was Eol. After Eol requested his PM with me, a couple people guessed, purely by luck, that I was Cultivation due to a misread of the rules. After I asked for protection in the thread, Eol asked me in our PM if there was a reason for that, maybe because I had an important role? I hedged a bit, and then I confessed that since his request, people thought I was Cultivation, so I talked to the real Cultivation and we decided that it would be good for me to cover for her, in hopes that the OC's would think that I was Cultivation and they'd hit me expecting to kill Cultivation but instead, they would fail because I am not. Now, when I told Eol this, I didn't know that he was an OC. Not by any means. I sort of hoped he would be, because I really wanted this story to get back to them so they'd see all this evidence that seems to indicate that I'm Cultivation and they'd think that it was just part of the cover. And they wouldn't attack me. If you recall, in Alv's defense of himself, he said that he knew on the first cycle that I was Cultivation. Well, if he knew that, why didn't I die? Why did Orlok die? I already said before that I think Orlok was attacked because the OC's thought he was Cultivation and not because they knew he was Devotion. I'm even more certain about this now, because the only people who knew Orlok's true role are good. I know they are. So therefore, Orlok's attack was either planned or a random hit, but a random hit is incredibly unlikely since there is literally no reason why Orlok would've been attacked over someone like me, Kipper, Maill, or a number of other players. Yes, Orlok is a threat, but there are bigger threats. There had to've been a reason for them to attack him, and I'm convinced that that reason was because they thought he was Cultivation. But Alv was convinced that I was Cultivation. I think Eol relayed my story to them, and when they heard it, it worked exactly as I'd intended, at least in reference to me. They saw the evidence and figured it was just me working with Cultivation to make it look like I was Cultivation to draw fire. So they started looked at who I might be covering for and they landed on Orlok, unfortunately. This is the only explanation that really makes sense about why Orlok was attacked and I wasn't, considering that Alv was an OC and he knew my role (and he had every reason to know my role considering how many PMs I'd put him in). 2. In the first 2 hours of the game, I ordered 5 mini PMs and 1 Mass PM. One of those mini, 3-person PMs contained Hael, Alv, and Eol. My reason for this PM was due to timezones since Eol and Hael are Aussies and Alv is a New Zealander. I figured it would be good to put those three together rather than throw them into different PMs with a bunch of Americans. A couple cycles later, when I made the rest of the one-on-one PMs with the remainder of the players, the only thing Hael wanted to talk about was my method and reasoning in creating the PMs. This is actually what struck me as suspicious with him. It seemed to me like he was just wanting to talk about something that was entirely irrelevant rather than talking about actually relevant topics. But what if he wasn't? What if he was genuinely curious because somehow, in the first 2 hours of the game, I created a PM with three eliminators in it. And they were the only people in this PM. The odds of that happening are insane, particularly since I only requested 5 mini PMs that night. If all three of them are actually OC's, it's no wonder Hael was curious about my reasoning. I'd be asking the same thing in his position. Obviously, both of these are just circumstantial evidence, but I feel they point rather heavily toward Eol being an OC. If he is, I'm betting he's an Unmade, though that's just a guess. I also have some other players that I'm watching, though I'm still collecting evidence on them, so I'll refrain from mentioning them for now. A few people know in case something happens to me. But anyway, yeah. I'm rather convinced that Eol is an OC.
  11. little wilson
    I won't be able to make it this Tuesday. My roommate's birthday was this last week and a bunch of us are going out to eat that night. If we end early enough, I might come over late.
  12. little wilson
    Not a cycle. If a Shard is killed but not Shattered, the Shard is broken and the Shardic ability is no longer usable. Cultivation's PM's are a passive aspect of the Shardic ability. If I die, we permanently lose PM's except for the world ones and the one of a maximum 3 players that the new Cultivation would be able to make.
  13. little wilson
    I'm aware of what happened in the first game. I never expected the lockdown of Odium to last very long in this one either, not because Hael would have to kill himself, but because we'd eventually kill him or the OC's would gain access to an ability that would make it far more complicated for us to roleblock him. I want to quote this though: I can see why Joe expanded that to living Shards in general, but it started out as a way to cope with inactives, and I wasn't actually aware until the game started that active Shards could decide to give up their Shard. Maybe that's because I wasn't paying attention to all of the clarifications; I don't know. Personally, I think this is perfectly good as an inactive filter, but the only living Shard it should apply to is Odium. Or maybe Odium should have something else specific for that role that allows him to escape a lockdown. But it's not something that should apply to any other Shard, except for him. My current beef with that is that with the way it currently is, it feels like an escape for anyone. Not just Odium. It's any Shard. And I don't think it's right to allow active, good Shards the ability to give up their Shard if the OC's get a little too close to them and they don't want to be Shattered. That's one of the risks of being a Shard. That's one of the risks of being any role. That you could die. We weren't really aware that that was a loophole per se when we asked. We were looking at the rules for Hoid since we knew Endowment was going to pass Ruin to Hoid to invest him and we were going to have Hoid pass Ruin on, but we were curious and asked Joe if Endowment would be able to make an additional kill if he ended up with Ruin again, and then the natural question after that was what would happen if Hoid passed Ruin back to him. I didn't really expect Joe to approve that, and it took him a long time to decide the answer to it. From what I've heard it was only because the spec doc noticed a major imbalance in the game, so Joe allowed it to offset that imbalance. I don't know anything more about it than that though. So, yes, we ran with it. It wasn't something we had to convince Joe to let us do, though, which is usually how loopholes work. We asked and he answered (albeit over a day later). That was it. --- And Hael, I'll respond later, after the rollover. I've got to go to a party right now and hope that I don't fall asleep while driving* thanks to my stupidity this morning. I just had to write that response at 3:30 AM and it just had to take me 2 hours to write so I couldn't go back to sleep..... *sigh* >> *I'm not actually going to fall asleep while driving. That's not a sincere worry, since blasting music always keeps me awake, but I am rather tired and truly regretting my choices this morning.
  14. little wilson
    To Hal Heatherlocke, I admit, I’m not surprised to hear that your abilities don’t encompass that of protecting or healing, since from what I experienced of them last night, I’d say it was quite the opposite. Pain and suffering. Nearly death. I agree that it hurts to be called a liar when one is telling the truth, but you say that you’ve not spoken an untruth to me, and yet I seem to recall you saying that carried the Shard of Survival. Survival doesn’t kill. Survival…..well….Survives. My godmother is truly grateful to your family for that title. This is why it will pain her so much to learn that a Heatherlocke has played so false with one of her own kin. This is why I warned you. I, too, wish that we could’ve been friends, but the Fates have chosen otherwise. I shall send her your words, though I think I shall say they are from you as opposed to the rest of your clan so she won’t mistake your own kin as straying so far from the Bright Path. I’m sorry it had to be this way but we all must do what we all must do. Stay Odious, Wilkin Making another request for your back-order?
  15. little wilson
    I'm confused. Yes, we've been saying it's not a Coalition. But I don't see how we've been acting like a Coalition. Maybe it's that we're defining these things differently. When I think of a Coalition, I think of a sort of "dictatorship," where there's one leader (or a small group of leaders) and what they say is law. No one has any chance of saying anything else, they don't consult anyone else, and that's just the way things are. No one can speak out against them, lest they anger the law, and fear punishment (typically death or threat of death). Yes, there have been dictatorships in these games. I've disliked them every time, and every time I've been put in a position of leadership, I actively try not to act like that. I trust Seonid and Kipper and Endowment. we've got a good thing going right now and we're figuring things out, but it's not just us working on things. We've got a Normal Worldhopper or two helping out, 3 different Awakeners, a Lifeless Operator, and a Bloodsealer, plus a couple Shards and Hoid. And everyone's opinion bears weight. No one is more important than anyone else because we all need each other to figure out what's going. To me, that's not a Coalition. That's the village working together, and yes, there's a leader, but they're not a dictator. But maybe I'm only saying that because I can't see my dictatorial ways.
  16. little wilson
    Not exactly. See, it was like this: Day 3: I invest in Hael, and try to secret vote on Alvom. My investment fails and my vote does not succeed. Maill, Kipper, Seonid, and Endowment are the only ones who knew that I was investing in someone hoping to find a Shard. Night 3: I tell Maill that my investment did faill (I'd told Maill in the last hour of the day cycle), and ask him for the names of the two who claimed Dominion and Survival. He refuses, saying he swore an oath, and if I want his help, I need to give him the name otherwise I can go search out Dominion and Survival myself. I tell him it was Hael. Maill responds immediately saying that Hael is not one of them and to kill him. However, I don't want to kill Odium; I want to lock him down. While responding to a PM from Alv, I mention that one of the Awakeners is being paranoid toward me, but I don't mind because I have a tasty development of my own to keep me busy: my investment failed during the day. Alv asks who the Shard is and if I sent a message. I ignore these questions and say that I'll tell him the story after the game or after we're both dead. Seonid, Kipper, and I discuss how to lock Hael down. I contemplated briefly having Endowment kill him, but ultimately decided against it. We decide to have Hoid roleblock Hael. Honour was supposed to invest in a Worldhopper. While talking to this Worldhopper, he tells me that he was not invested in and he says Honour must be lying. He asks if Honour has actually done anything to prove that they are Honour, and it occurs to me that they haven't. And if Honour is evil, Honour and Odium could've switched places, with Odium claiming to be Honour hoping that we will then protect Odium, thinking that he's Honour (A risky gambit, for sure, but if it paid off, that would be brilliant). We decide to put the Bloodsealer on Honour, since I'm more certain that Hael is Odium, and less certain that Honour is, and I still don't want to kill Odium. I talk to Maill, and he says he'll try to get in touch with the person who claimed Dominion to change the investment of Odium to someone of our own choosing. The point of this is because if we kill Odium after we've had him invest in someone of our own choosing, we get Odium, and the OC's lose both their kills. Personally, I'm a fan of this plan. It's since become clear that this is what happened on the OC's end of things: Hael tells the doc that he was invested in, but the investment had no message. He has no idea who invested in him. Alv hears from me that I invested in a Shard. He, being the deducing person that he is, knows that I invested in Hael. Alv knows who Hoid is. They figured that I'm probably going to try to roleblock Hael to make sure he actually is Odium. He redirects Hoid's roleblock. Hael tries to kill me, since they have to get rid of me before I can figure out that I actually invested in Odium. I survive, thanks to a lashing. The Champion tries to kill Maill, and I suspect this was because of Maill's knowledge and they were hoping to take him out with me and set the village back a lot in terms of information and knowledge. So basically, they had to react since I'd caught Odium. There was no other option. Sure, Honour would've been on the hook too, and that would've sucked to kill Honour, but it's arguably worse for them to have Odium locked down. EDIT: to clarify, the issue with Honour and Honour's investee has since been revealed to have been a mistake. Honour did invest in this person, but Joe forgot to let them know. He told us shortly after the night results since we were scrambling and he knew that his mistake had messed with our plans (I do not fault Joe for this mistake one bit. Mistakes happen)
  17. little wilson
    Done. But it's not going to happen anyway, because he's totally evil. You can sense the evil incarnate coming from him. Check his sig. He even admits that he's evil incarnate! Edit: See?
  18. little wilson
    If Alv is innocent, I'll eat my hat. That's a promise.
  19. little wilson
    I knew I was going to bed right before things got fun. But that's what middle-of-the-night insomnia is for! Now, I want to preface this post with something. I've been taking notes slightly differently this game. Most games, I track the post count of players, but this game, I've scrapped that and I've just been tracking online frequency. It's arguably the aspect of my notes that I've kept most up-to-date with. The way I've been doing it is I refresh the home page, see who's online, and put a tally next to their name. If, after I go to bed, I get a PM from someone, or they post in the thread or any number of other things, they get a tally, because they were online even if I was not. Admittedly, this system is not precise, because at times when I'm very active on the site, I forget to track it (plus I don't want to do it every time I refresh, but at most every 15 minutes) but I typically get it about every hour, and see if anyone who hadn't been online at all that day has gotten online since the last time checked. Since Night 1, Alv has not hit under 3 tallies. Bear in mind that he is 6 hours behind me, and I'm usually about to go to bed when he starts becoming active (This isn't always the case, but it often is). When I went bed tonight at just before 10 PM (MDT), Alv had 1 tally, because he had sent me a PM at 1:44 AM. He then got offline at 1:53 AM and had not gotten back online since. I know because every time I went through to check online times, I checked to see if he'd gotten online. He never had. And right before I shut my laptop down, I checked him again, and it remained unchanged. This is abnormal. And before anyone suggests that he checked the site incognito, Alv isn't really one to do that, and how would he even know he needed to? He hadn't been online since 7 hours before my accusation. He's smart, but he's not psychic. He does, however, have access to a doc, and his docmates would be copy-pasting all the posts related to him, keeping him up-to-date on how many votes he had on him and everything. While I've never been evil with Alv (sadly), I do know that he stays connected to the evil doc well. That he accesses it via multiple devices (the eliminators in LG5 called it the menagerie since at one point, he had accessed the doc with a bunch of different devices, or maybe Google was just being funky, or both). I guarantee that he knew exactly what was going in the thread so he didn't have to check the thread himself. I guarantee that he was composing that post long before he checked the thread and read it himself. And it's a very good defense, but it's not infallible, and there are quite a number of holes in it. What proof would you like? Awakeners can't scan for alignment, and I've already given my analysis on the other Shards and why I concluded that Dominion is the OC Shard. I didn't even make that analysis knowing that you were Dominion (though I had expressed at one point to Seonid that I hoped you were, but we were both thinking about that in terms of you being a good Dominion rather than an evil one). My analysis is solid. And I'm working on getting proof of Hael being Odium. You weren't certain I was Cultivation. Not 100%. Yes, you heavily suspected, but you didn't know for sure. Not on the first cycle. And yes, I know that you'd be advocating for my death above all others. So do over half of the rest of the players. Killing me right off the bat would reflect as either a fearkill or directly on you. At first, people would think it was a fearkill, until more and more people started to suspect you, and then the pieces would fall into place and they realized that you would absolutely advocate my death. To cover your tracks, you had to wait a cycle or two. You couldn't kill me immediately. Joe was already leaning toward the Lifeless saving from poison anyway, he just didn't know how. Your quote only solidified that and as for why you would do it: you'd do it if you were good too. Plus, doing it gives you something to back yourself up--a bit of evidence to give your defense a bit of credence right now. There's no harm to it and a lot of potential good. And actually, since you mention Phatt's lynch, I just want to point out that you were one of the votes on him and while you gave the defense of "I only voted on him because he wouldn't answer my question" I'd like to remind you that you don't normally vote. And you have a trademark of not joining bandwagons. You could've just as easily removed your vote from PK and not voted on Phatt to put the pressure on him than join the bandwagon and vote for him. But you didn't, and I rather think that was because you wanted to take a hand in possibly causing my death by poison. Your defense there was rather flimsy considering you were doing something you tend to stand against. Not really, actually. A number of people thought Orlok was Cultivation, and it's not a stretch to guess that he might still be a Shard even if he's not Cultivation. So that attack made sense. Kipper had protection, but it's also not a stretch for eliminators to guess that he is also a Shard. Maill had protection as well, and it's actually unclear on whether he's a Thug (Devotion invested in him so that won't be clear until his pewter would run out) or a Shard. However, I want to note here that Maill wasn't attacked by Odium. He was attacked by the Champ. I was attacked by Odium, and it's well known that I am a Shard. So "astronomical"? Not really, no. They're logical guesses and the only one who died was Orlok. Whether or not Kipper and Maill are Shards is still unknown. All that's known is that they had protection, and I guarantee that we've been protecting non-Shards as well as Shards. Eh, I don't really have anything to say to this except that it's false. Well, the comment about Endowment is totally true, but everything else is false. As for why I didn't have Endowment attack Odium, I don't want to kill him. I want to lock him down. Killing him simply puts him into a different OC and we lose track. Though I guess with investments, we'd be able to find him pretty easily and we'd have another OC caught. You know full-well that was a cover, since at that point in time I was convinced Honour was the OC Shard. Few people knew my investment had failed and only those I could count on as being good if Honour was evil. Or at least neutral, since I'd thought you were Survival at that point in time. I didn't want them to know that it was me, and I didn't realize that I'd freely given an OC that information. If I hadn't told you, while you guys might've worried that it was me, you wouldn't have known for certain, and my claim about forgetting to invest that cycle could've been true since I had a horrible headache that night and it's believable that I could've forgotten to invest due to it. That comment was made to throw off the person I'd invested in. Simple as that. But I'm sure you already know that. I already explained exactly what was going on. The Bloodsealer was on Honour. Should we have put the Bloodsealer on Odium. In retrospect, yes, we should've, but that would've meant roleblocking Honour, and I didn't really feel comfortable doing that since I was not 100% certain that Honour was evil. I was only 95% certain, and I knew that if I was wrong, Honour had a high chance of being targeted and I was asking him to lash himself. If I was wrong, and Honour had been attacked while we were roleblocking him, Honour would've died and I wasn't willing to make that sacrifice. I would hope that the eliminators wouldn't advocate for Odium just giving the Shard up if he gets locked down. That mechanic is in there to cope with inactive Shards, not to be abused by Shards that just don't want to play the game. If we want to do things that way, why don't I just give up Cultivation right now before Odium can Shatter me? Then we don't lose PMs, Endowment can give it to someone unknown and the OC's are back to square one. That's no fun. In fact, I'd kind of view it as cheating, even if it's really just exploiting a loophole. It's still not within the spirit of the game. Fun fact: When I got my role PM and I saw I was Cultivation, I told Joe that this was a death sentence. He asked if I wanted to give it up, and I said no. My reasons for that were because the RNG gave it to me, and I was going to run with it even though I knew it would kill me. And it will. I have no doubt about that. Moving on, yes, I contacted Maill. I didn't initially give him any names though. I was actually trying to get the names out of him, but he gave an oath that he wouldn't give them up, and he made it clear that if I wanted to know anything, I'd have to give him the name and he'd tell me if it was one of the two. So I gave him the name. And he said it was not. I knew if Maill was lying, I'd find out in due time. And if he was telling the truth, I'd just found Odium. I know without a doubt now that Maill wasn't lying to me. Yep. Which is exactly why I decided to use my investiture for that. Mine is the least harmful in the hands of an eliminator, and if I can find a Shard with it, why not? Disclaimer: I was not expecting to find a Shard my very first time investing to find a Shard. Yes, Hael was my highest suspect, but that doesn't mean a darn thing. I was shocked when my investiture failed. To be completely honest, I'm also slightly disappointed, because while the luck is absurd (I've had copious amounts of luck this game and I've no idea where it's come from), it also affects the game and I think a team evil of Alvron and Hael and who knows who else is one of the best things ever (second only to a team evil of Alvron and Wilson ), and if my luck hadn't been so good, I can only imagine what that team could get up to. So I'm disappointed that I couldn't see it. Especially since I've been waiting since Hael's first game for him to be evil because I knew it was going to be good. Look, Stink, I'm sorry that you don't have much info, but I've been keeping you in the loop as much as I've been able to. I'm not "controlling" anything. Have I been suggesting stuff? Yes, and while my suggestions have been worded in a "Can you do this?" type of fashion, I guarantee that if anyone said "I'd prefer not; can I do something else?" I would bend over backwards to provide them with more options that they're more amenable to. I'd also watch them a little closer, but I wouldn't threaten them with death or anything of the like. I'm not controlling this game. Yes, I had a lot of information, but the reason why I'm only now starting to put things together is because it's only now that I have all of the relevant pieces to do so. Until you are in a similar position of information and direction, don't make it seem like it would be so much easier for you. I guarantee it's not as easy as it looks and I'm doing the best I can. And I don't have it all sorted out. You can't even imagine how incorrect that is and how many other people I have to consult and get help from. I can't do this all by myself. Not even remotely. Nor would I ever want to, not just because of the pressure and responsibility of that but because that's not fun for anyone, and I play these games to have fun. And I try to play them in a way that keeps other people having fun too. I promise that I'm not trying to keep you out of things. I'm including you as much as I can. I know you want all the information and everything because you want all the pieces that everyone knows, but I can't do that, because I don't even know all pieces. That's quite frankly an absolutely terrible idea because if we lynch me and I am innocent, while yes, we can go and lynch Dominion later, that's also giving Dominion and Odium an extra cycle to redirect protection and Shatter a Shard. If we don't lynch Dominion this turn, a Shard will be Shattered tonight. Protection can only spread so far. And you make it seem like Endowment's had so many options of giving out Shards. She's had one Shard come to her, and yes, it's being passed back to her every turn so she can kill with it, but there are reasons for that, and I promise that the next Shard she gets (Dominion) will be going to a player. She will not be keeping it. And the thing with Ruin isn't because I said so. It's because it's the only kill we have outside of the lynch and I'm trying to direct it to kill those I suspect are OC's. (Sorry, Araris and Ostrich. My bad, though in my defense, Ostrich's PM was distinctly unhelpful, on par with Hael's, so I'd make that call again. Araris was just bad luck) The list of who get Shards is only provided by me because I'm the one in contact with the Awakeners and I know who they've scanned. Would you rather I let Endowment fly blind?
  20. little wilson
    To Hal Heatherlocke, aka Odium My body is still recovering from the wounds you inflicted upon it. Indeed, I thought I might not survive. It's one thing to slay a God King, but facing the Lord of Hate? I'm ashamed I let you deceive me into believing you could be anything but hate, even if you were simply claiming neutrality. One such as you doesn't know neutrality. Yet, I still find myself surprised about you. See, when I found myself wrapped up in this, I wrote to my godmother. I think you might know her: Lady Kiireon. She's also known by the name Wilson. Sometimes Original Wilson. Sometimes the Brightness Ascendant. I think your family is familiar with her, for when I told her those who were involved, she swore to me that I could trust a Heatherlocke. I hate to bear the bad news to her that not all in that clan are as she thinks. However, I will have to carry the news to her. She may already know it. She has ears all over the Cosmere. I know she won't be pleased to learn a Heatherlocke has turned against one of her own. I wish to advise you to run. Her wrath can be grand and fearsome, I hear. I've never been on the receiving end of it myself, since I'm her loyal Godson. Even killing MiriKas only earned me a pursing of the lips and disapproving stare. But I hear that she's protective of her family, and I'd hate to see you not get a chance at survival. Please, take my advice. Your friendly foe, Wilkin, aka Cultivation, aka Godson of Lady Kiireon, the Brightness Ascendant
  21. little wilson
    Maill, given this new information, I think it's best if we keep Hael locked down and kill Dominion, rather than killing Odium himself. And to enlighten everyone else: Hael was "Odium". Last cycle, I'd decided to use my investment to discover Shards, and during the day, I invested in Hael, since Hael was my biggest suspect due to his responses to my PM with him. My investment failed. Stupidly, I told Alv about this, without using names, so they knew that I was onto them. I didn't tell Alv any of the plan, but as he knew that Hoid was invested with Ruin, it wouldn't take much to guess that we were planning on locking Hael down so of course Alv redirected that roleblock. Then when I approached Hael to ask what Shard he was, he claimed Survival knowing that it would get me to back off. Long story short: Hael is Odium and Alv is Dominion. And they are both definitely evil.
  22. little wilson
    True. Maill's an interesting case. I want to say that Alv's guilt does not necessitate Maill's guilt. Maill is currently the person that makes the most sense to be Odium, according to the knowledge I have right now. Even if Maill is not Odium, that does not mean that Alv is not an OC. To explain, I've had a vibe since the beginning of the game that Alv was evil. However, I had no proof to back it up. When Orlok died, I had a bit of proof and voted for him. He had an explanation for that, though and it assuaged my suspicions enough that my proof was gone. But the vibe was still there. My instincts told me he was evil. I've got a PM with him, and we've been talking a fair bit. At one point, he heavily implied that he was a Normal Worldhopper, and it was shortly after that that I started getting this feeling that he was playing with me. It reminded me of the way a cat plays with a mouse before he eats it. I've told multiple people about my concerns with that, since that happened at least a cycle and a half ago. I grew a little concerned he was Odium himself, messing with me right before he Shattered me. Separately from this, I'd been trying to find out which other Shard was an OC, since I was positive they had one. The easiest option was Dominion, but I could've also seen Honour/Preservation being on the team. Depending on which Shard it was, the distribution of the minor roles would vary. Yesterday, I became convinced that Honour was the OC, since counting Alvom, I knew of 3 LO's and I believed all 3 were good. I knew there was no way we'd have 3 LO's and both protective Shards. However, thanks to the night's results, I'm able to clear Honour with quite a lot of certainty. Preservation has proven themselves. Which leaves Dominion, since Ruin is dead, Endowment is safe, and I know it's not me (though I understand that others don't have the same certainty). I asked an Awakener to scan Alv. The scan came back as a Sel Shard. Devotion is dead. He must be Dominion. As for why I think Maill is Odium. I've already partially explained this, but he had no protection on himself last night. Now, we had a roleblock on the person we thought was Odium and a Skeletal on Honour, just in case Honour and Odium had pulled a double blind and Odium was posing as Honour. Since "Odium" was roleblocked, his kill wouldn't get through, but Maill said he would contact the person who had claimed Dominion to get them to redirect the investment to someone of our choosing (I was pretty sure Odium had invested during the day, but this was just a precaution). After the rollover, I contacted "Odium" to ask which Shard they were, since clearly they weren't Odium. Survival. Okay. Well, Maill had said he was in contact with Survival too, and it wasn't this person. I told Maill that whomever had claimed Survival was a liar, and Maill basically said that it was Alv who'd claimed it. Now, you might be wondering if Maill was Odium and Alv is Dominion, why is Maill giving up Alv? I don't really have an explanation for that, but what I do know is that the night results as they pertain to Maill come down to this: Maill knew Alv was Dominion Maill is an OC Maill is Odium and the OC's were using him to figure out who the protective roles are. This would explain why we haven't had any Champion kills, since the Champions have been targeting an unprotected Odium, who they cannot kill, while Dominion redirects actions from other players to Odium, until an attack hits Odium and is revealed in the writeup. When this happens, the OC's know they've found a protective role and they know who to kill. Maill is not an OC Maill asks Alv to redirect the action from "Odium" to our chosen player but Alv doesn't listen, instead redirecting a protection ability he knows to Maill, to set Maill up. Maill did not know Alv was Dominion Maill is not an OC Maill tried to contact the person he thought was Dominion, and he ended up being used as an unknowing pawn in the OC's game. Or, Maill is a Thug and will soon die when he runs out of pewter. I'm pretty sure that's all the scenarios, since the only options for Maill's survival are that he is a Thug or Dominion redirected a protection role to him, and either he knew about Dominion's identity or he did not. Regardless, of those scenarios, the first makes the most sense to me at this point in time. Given a team with no protective Shards, it makes sense that the OC's would want to find the protective Shards and what better way to do that than use the Champion kill on Odium and Dominion's redirect on players suspected of having a protective role? The Champ kill won't show up in the write up since Odium is unprotected and when it does, they've found a protective role that they can then double tap and remove from the game. Or at least, that's what I'd probably do in their position, with a redirect Shard and no protective Shards, but up against two protective Shards. Whether or not they actually did it is unclear. EDIT: I'm not sure what's going on with those bullet points, but pretend that the bullet points under 2 are tabbed over so they're on par with the bullet points under 1.
  23. little wilson
    Oh, trust me, Alv will defend himself. I'd be truly surprised if he rolled over and took this without complaint. Surprised and disappointed. I'm nearly certain the only reason he hasn't yet is because he's in NZ and it's only barely a reasonable hour in the morning there. Give it a few hours more.
  24. little wilson
    The Champ can't kill Odium. The investee cannot kill a Shard. The best they can do is remove protection/extra life from a Shard. I think the reason we haven't seen a second attack until last night is because the Champ has been attacking Odium while Dominion has been testing players, redirecting actions, waiting until they find a protection role, since if Dominion redirects protection onto Odium, the Champ will hit that protection and it will show up in the writeup. Hence, the second attack.
  25. little wilson
    Well, my vote this turn is going on Second of the Sky, who I believe is the OC Shard of Dominion. See, Maill had no protection last night. So how did he survive? Obviously, it must've been because Dominion pulled a protection ability off of someone, and I actually think I know exactly who they pulled from. I also suspect that Maill is Odium himself, and has been using this aggressive playstyle in hopes that he would attract just enough suspicion for people to lynch him or someone to set a skeletal on him and kill him so the Shard would go elsewhere. Why am I announcing this in the thread? Well, that's because there's no reason to keep it hidden. Maill and Alv are both in the loop enough to know that the plan I'd had of locking down who I thought was Odium and the OC Shard failed and that we'd be madly scrambling. So why should we kill Dominion and not Odium? We need to remove their manipulation abilities first and foremost. Only then will we be able to accurately roleblock Odium. We do not want to kill Odium. If we kill him, we lose track of him. So long as he is alive and locked down, he cannot kill a Shard.
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