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Very good point. Connection is a heightening of what is there, not an imposition of affection.

Hemalurgic antimony? Steals sin?

Give this one a cookie. That's what I was searching for. That's the analogy that works best. All the math checks out and there is some initial supporting practical evidence, but it certainly isn't being used in any kind of widespread application yet.

Held things can be pushed. The line seems to be that some part of the metal is fully enclosed within the body. For instance, if his mouth were open, I believe that coin could have been pushed/pulled.

The anti-matter doesn't work. It's not that Chromium is rare and expensive to produce, or even impractical. It's physically impossible unless you accept that they have Thermite. Otherwise they simply cannot reach the temperatures needed to refine pure Chromium that is needed for Allomancy. The String Theory analogy works because they understand how Chromium SHOULD work, but simply can't physically prove it yet.

I'm not sure I buy it being Dalinar's horse Gallant. He goes on a bunch about the odd things about his horse being standard to all Roshadian steeds, not something unique to Gallant. Cool idea, and I'd love it if it were, true, but I doubt it.

It's like I said, each God Metal has its truly divine effect within its own Arcana.

I just recently got Wrought of Copper and it is excellent. I'm not a big fan of the MAG system, but the books are very well written and a great resource for organized information in world. Well worth the money as a background resource (and of course help in writing my own systems) even though I'm not going to actually run games with their system.

Getting into worldhopping with a campaign is going to be very difficult. As of now we KNOW very little (though there are many theories). At this point you'd be pretty much free to come up with the theory you think best fits your campaign without much fear of getting it "wrong". Out of curiosity, what system do you plan on using? I've been working on some system ideas for various forms of investiture in several established systems and am curious what you think would work well.

Ooh. I like that. Lerasium basically entered the world with 2 charges in it: one Feruchemical, one Allomantic able to grant both powers. The first Terris Worldbringers discovered the Lerasium and in examining it learned to tap metalminds. However the idea of eating the metal is far less intuitive and no one understood that this was even possible until Rashek took the power of Preservation and understood what the Lerasium was.

I suppose it's about time I chime in with an initial rp post. Koll walked calmly down the alley. His quarry had nowhere to run, so there was no need to hurry. Stupid foreigner, he thought, shaking his head. Everyone knows the alleys off of Demoux Promenade are dead ends. He came upon the man cowering against the back wall, whimpering. The scrapes on the man's hands and scuffs on his suit showed where he had tried to climb the sheer brick wall. Stupid foreigner. He turned to face Koll, eyes wide with panic. "Please," he blabbered, "please I'll get the money! There's no need to do anything rash. I'm good for it, really. Your boss knows me. I just need one more week please don't..." His voice cut off in a muffled cry of pain as Koll backhanded him across the mouth. Whimpering targets always made him angry. Why was it that no one understood the rules? You borrow money, you pay it back with interest. You don't pay it back, you get hurt. You still don't pay it back, well then an example needs to be made to ensure others remember the rules. Really this isn't that complicated. "Jessel Drax," Koll said in a flat, almost bored tone while Jessel spit out the teeth Koll had just knocked out. "You are in no position for an extension. You're three weeks late and haven't made a single payment. My boss has already written off your debt as a loss. Now are we going to do this easy or hard? If you make it easy, I'll make it quick. Make me fight for it, and things might have to get messy." With a light of desperate fear in his eyes Jessel snarled and charged Koll. Stupid man. Why do they never make it easy? Koll pulled out his dueling club and went to work. I hate the messy ones. I'm going to need a new suit again.

I think that we're really splitting hairs here, differentiating between "intermingled" and "combined". Neither of these are canonical terms. I think that when Brandon said that they had intermingled he meant they had become one shard. Otherwise Sazed would drop two separate shards.

So it's been well established that two Shards can combine into a new one (Ruin and Preservation became Harmony). I wonder if the reverse is possible. Could an existing shard split into component parts? I don't mean Splintering like what Odium is doing, which seems to basically be destroying them. I'm wondering if with the right stimulus one Shard could become multiple Shards. For example, could Honour split into components, something like Duty, Defence, and Etiquette? Has there been any evidence to either support or contradict this?

That was noted. It would make sense (and was confirmed by Brandon at least vaguely) that the Scadrians' understanding of Metallurgy is greater than what ours was at the equivalent technology level, simply because of greater demand. However thermite is still extremely unlikely since it requires active consumption of aluminum, and easy production of aluminum requires electricity which is noted as still being a rare and expensive novelty in Alloy of Law.

We have a catch 22 here though. If they're blunt enough that they won't deform when used, then they aren't going to be precise enough (it's noted again and again how precise hemalurgy is, how exactly the right spot has to be spiked). And the alloys that did not contain a hardening agent weren't hard enough. That's why the copper or the antimony was added.

But that is exactly the problem. The copper is a hardening agent. Without the copper, it is far too malleable to hold a point. Adding the copper is what allowed it to be used to make flatware.

For me it is somewhat similar to this sentiment. I loved them as a couple, mostly because from the beginning to the end they were so absolutely real. They were larger than life figures who did amazing things, but at the same time they were two deeply damaged individuals in their own ways. The scenes in Well of Ascension where both of them are coming to Sazed for relationship advice were absolutely pure atium (far more valuable than gold ). However I think it's something like what actually happened to the people of the world. They became far more than themselves. They became their own legends, far beyond the actual people. When something is deified, it loses a lot of that personal touch. I'm speaking of the fan base as well as the people of New Scadrial. We saw the whole process from without, but we saw both Vin and Elend become so much more than the two people they were originally. They truly became The Kind Emperor and The Ascendant Warrior. And I tend to think of them more in that role now than as the people they were, just like the Survivors, kind of like how even the Crew members who knew him started to think of Kelsier as The Survivor after he was gone. Side note however: it is worth noting that an afterlife of some kind is confirmed in Sazed's note to Spook, and he speaks of "our friends" which I can't imagine means anyone other than Vin and Elend given the context.

Ok, a little bit of research reveals an actually far bigger problem. 9% Copper is actually impossible. There is no known type of pewter that has that percentage. The tin simply won't absorb that much copper. https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Pewter.html The tin percentage is correct, and typical English Pewter (technical term, not a regional term) was 88-93% tin, as much copper as it could take, approximately 1-1.5%, and the remainder consisting of antimony. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_pewter

Yes. I was emphasizing the place in society bit. I interpreted that quote as saying that Chromium and Nicrosil Allomancy is roughly equivalent to how most people see String Theory. Quite a few people know that it exists. But very few people can actually really say what it is with any clarity, and even the experts in the field can't really prove much. But the math checks out. (And yes, I know that String Theory has all but been disproven recently, but the analogy is too good to waste. Take the analogy for what it is before that happened.)

Pewter, for those who have never done any work with miniatures, is an INCREDIBLY soft metal. You can bend it and break it with your fingertips. It's incredibly malleable, which is why it works so well for making miniatures. With that in mind, how the hell are they making spikes of it? Pewter would never hold a functional point. You could work it into a vaguely sharp tip, but it would bend or collapse as soon as you tried to stab someone with it.

The need for metals to be either completely pure or absolutely precise in their ratios for alloys is very important in Allomancy. Burning an impure metal can make you very sick or even kill you if it is bad enough. Burning one that's almost correct will work but to a lesser degree. What about Feruchemy? Does the metal purity matter as much as it does in Allomancy? What happens if you attempt to store or tap in an impure metal mind? For that matter what of Hemalurgy? Same questions. Suppose my Pewter spike is 12% lead instead of 9%. What happens?

WoB from the post above. How is this not what I said?

Oh this one is all me, no argument there. It's a wild stab in the dark that might be a possible reason Vin wasn't given Feruchemy. I'm well aware it has absolutely no supporting evidence yet.

That actually makes a lot of sense now. They know about the existence of these metals from the Words of Founding, but have no real way to make them, at least not reliably, and so they are relegated to a similar place in society as theoretical physics.