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There once was a forger named Shai, Who sat in her cellblock all day. As she looked at the stone, a king drooled at his throne, Did he lived, no one would say.

I would love the Dawnshards to be related to the 10 Gas Giants in the outer solar system. Those look suspiciously like jails to me. Maybe the way of accessing them has been lost?

Reddit Reply Question: Does Renarin's blood sickness have anything to do with Ashyn? Reply: For you to gain the magic of Ashyn, you have to actually be infected by the micro-organisms living there. The things going on with Renarin are different. (Sorry.)

What do we think about the Pure Lake Fishymancers? Is their supposed ability to eat fish and gain powers a hint at what the other magic system could be,or perhaps a weak vestige of the pre-shardic magic system? (like First of the Sun), or maybe just a red herring that actually has no magic ability at all? These are the Magic Systems we Know of So Far 1) Fishymancing and the Purelake. The tides of the Purelake were also believed by some to show the lake's attitude, as well as predicting the future. This Cloudwatching seems reminiscent of Whitesand. A lot of the Purelaker seems like a nod to Taldain. The Purelakers also believed that ingesting certain types of fish would grant supernatural healing or other abilities. Kogril - Considered to be a very lucky fish, granting relief from joint pain and sometimes showing when friends would visit by looking at the shape of the clouds Stumpy cort - Would somehow allow a person to be tracked or located Possibly the endemic system that developed before the arrival of shards and humans (much like First of the Sun). This could also maybe be something to do with the proximity of a Shardpool or perpendicularity. It also could be something to do with Cultivation, as one needs to cultivate and catch the fish required. It could also possibly be an invasive magic system, much like the viruses brought to the Purelake by worldhoppers. Perhaps some First of Sun parasites managed to be transplanted in the region. 2) Listening Parshendi Song Singing that developed independently of a shard. This can be used outside of Roshar, and most likely predates the arrival of shards/humans (but not spren). It is unclear if bonding spren is the same magic system as Listening, or something else. The spren do predate the arrival of humans, and I believe spren were on Roshar before honor/cultivation, but I would need to find a WOB to be sure. 3) Voidinding This is either the endemic magic system or Odium's magic system, though this might just be a corruption of Listening. It is unclear if Odium has his own magic systems, or he merely twists the systems others have invested in. There is even a possibility that Voidbinding is a new name for the magic, and this is actually Cultivation's magic system and it has been slandered by religious institutions for one reason or another. 4) The Unmade, the Trill, the Death Rattles, and the Etcetera. This could be void binding, a mix of void binding with other magics, or something entirely different, We aren't even sure if Death Rattles are something The Unmade produce, or is an effect caused by the Unmade's proximity to other sources of investiture. 5) Honorblades This seems to honour's system though it may have a bit of Cultivation's influence seeping in. 5b) Surges These seem to be a mix of honour's ability adapted by the spren. Perhaps more a mix of Honor and Cultivation that honorblades themselves. 6) Fabrials Cultivation's main magic system, though her influence is felt in the other versions of magic as well. Perhaps the cultivation of knowledge and power plays into why this ability is granted by such shard. This magic system could also just be a hack of the Gemheart magic system itself. 7) Gemhearts Certain creatures cultivate gems in order to grow to monstrous size. Likely this is the same magic system as fibrials, but that is not yet confirmed. Gemhearts often use spren to function, but not always. Perhaps fibrils and gems are different magics using the same catalyst. Perhaps larking's are related to this system somehow. 8) Stoneshamans Unclear if this is a magic system yet, but it is at least hinted at that there may be something here. Perhaps it is superstition or some vestige of surge or fabrial use. 9) Amian Weirdness Perhaps an offshoot of Listening, but there appears to be investiture involved. Listening mixed with cultivation? 10) Shadesmaar Cities Roshar seems to be unique in having a civilization in the Cognitive realm. Perhaps this is naturally occurring, though it could be a consequence of spren mixing with Listening, or perhaps Cultivation and or Honour decided/were forced to invest in the spren in a much more vigorous manner than other shards have? The cities could be endemic to the region as we suspect Spren predate shards, though we also know there are spren on other worlds as well. 11) Inexplicably Missing A mix of Cultivation, Honor, and Odium? Bonus: 12) The Sicknesses of Ashyn (likely Cultivation (growning) and Odium (pain/hate) mix?) The Inner planet has evolved biological lifeforms that grant abilities to their infected host. WOB confirmation that Renarin doesn't have this magic system, and only the evolved bacteria and/or viruses of Ashyn grant these abilities. 13) The 10 Gas Giants These resemble 10 gemstones, and are said to be very influential on the Rosharan System. Are these the cage of Odium, a correlate to Fabirals/gemhearts, or something else entirely?

"There's always another secret" springs to mind as someone who might go running around trying to collect all the power he can.

YOlen is Yolen is confirmed not to be the Halls.

1) We will meet an unmade. 2) We will see Zahel use magic. 3) Ashyn will be mentioned and explored a bit. Perhaps Hold will plan a trip. 4) We will learn that Shshsh was a little nutso much like Shallan's mother. 5) We will meet the Old Magic. 6) An entire city will be levelled. 7) A parshendi will bond a spren for the first time ever. 8) Nightblood will be used in a storm.

QUESTION So there are two other planets in the Roshar system, are they the Tranquiline Halls and Damnation that you mentioned in The Way of Kings? BRANDON SANDERSON (After consideration) There has been in the past knowledge of other planets in the system and that has indeed influenced the mythology of the world. QUESTION Would Ashyn/Braize share the 10-centric numerology of Roshar? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes 10-centric is for the entire Rosharian planetary system...wait Braize is 9-centric These two WOBs make me think Ashyn is more likely the Tranquline Halls, as it shared the same base 10 numerology, implying the same Shard influence. Braize being nine could either be a corruption of the base ten, or a sign that it is not the halls to begin with.

Odd, right? As he is heavily implied to be aware of surges in some way, and other characters think he likely mentored his sister. The character least broken (from the outside) is the most likely in-universe to be a surge binder... Maybe his spren gave him hope or something, but still... So many things about that family don't add up. Maybe the sprinkle of Horneater blood makes it easier to bond? So weird...

This brings up so many issues though - Shallan was so young she probably didn't even have a rheubric for comparison - the way her mother and father acted would have been completely normal to her. Shallan's family was also pretty wealthy and she had a good relationship with her brothers it seems before they all went wacko or abandoned her. Her life seemed fine enough back then, and while all childhoods are imperfect, hers seems OK enough considering she lived in what was essentially Medieval Times. Royal households weren't exactly known for their loving environment, and normal is so relative to people who grew up in those environments. Shallan may have sensed enough to be mopey, but why would she have more of a broken soul than someone forced to work in a mine at the age of 7, or buried a parent, or lost an arm? Actually, minus maybe Lift (maybe), all of the surge binders have been wealthy or upper-middle class? Is surge binding correlated with education and dissatisfaction? Anywho, it seems like she mooched her bond off of the existing bond her brother likely had. Though, if he were broken then the family has deeper rooted historical problems most likely

I really don't get the impression her Homelife was horrid before the business with her mother and the spren but it doesn't seem like a fulfilling home either. There doesn't seem to be much room for adding other trauma's to her life, unless someone outside the family did something, but the sexual-abuse angle seems to be hinted about Jasnah and not at all toward Shallan.

True, but how easy is it to form cracks? A sad lonely girl, is that enough? Renarin being exceptionally wealthy and educated but pitied seems to be enough? Or maybe his autism and blood weakness could help? It would make sense if larger cracks made bonding easier, but small cracks would still work if the spren had strong enough reasons to stick around and put in the work. Unrelated: It would be cool if Renarin's blood sickness gave him access to powers from Silence Divine in some manner! I want a crossover!

Well, Shallan didn't need to be "broken" off the bat to find a spren. There is a second way of attracting a Spren: Having someone else in your family bonded to a Spren. WOB about why so many Kolin folk have bonded Spren answered that Spren can be attracted to areas where other people have bonded Spren. If Shallan's brother or mother had already bonded Spren before, then Pattern may have been pulled in that direction and taken an interest in Shallan. We are fairly certain Shallan's brother had access to surges in someway, and Shallan's mother was very informed it seemed concerning the return of the spren. Cracks help let in a Spren, but that is not the only way a Spren can decide to stick with you. Shallan may have just been a lonely child with enough of a crack to allow in a Spren, or perhaps children function differently in some way. I do tend to think Shallan slowly let in a spren and had a spren seep in slowly.

I am won during if heavily invested metal minds might sometimes act a little sentient when mixed with electricity. It would be a funny consequence of the industrial revolution. Awakening could be possible, but awakening metal seems like a VERY weird choice. Id rather this be a Scadrial issue.

This makes it seem like Roshar won't delve into other worlds, but the novels already has delved into this topic more than anything else in the series. I. can't imagine Jasnah learning nothing about other worlds, or a certain Warbreaker man never talking about a certain sword and its origin, or Hoid not giving us information about Shards and magics from his POVs, or the series never explaining where the humans came from re: the tranq halls. These are all questions that are self contained within the Stormlight Achieve, and once any of these questions haves been answered then the reader wouldn't need to read outside books to understand these concepts. All the reader needs to know is that fleeing is an option and that the death of Roshar isn't the death of the series - hell, even running to Braize or Ashyn or The Halls is a self-contained option post the death of Roshar.

Sure, here is the vision I have been talking about. TWoK Chapter 75: In the Top Room Dalinar's Final Vision Spoiler for The Way of Kings So Dalinar get's a vision of the future that Honor thinks is likely to occur, but not a sure thing at all. Roshar could be destroyed in so many negative or positive ways. Odium is trapped in the system; a very odd system with 10 gas giants (coincidence) and more than one inhabited/inhabitable planet. This system is strange. Cultivation as an ideal is all about destroying in order to gain. Roshar being destroyed doesn't necessarily need to be a bad thing if the readers are given ways for the Rosharan people to survive (maybe Ashyn? The Halls? Nathalis? Shadesmaar?). Cultivation is a shard totally able to plan something like that. I think Roshar will go, but in a way we aren't predicting. How honorable such a move is debatable, but in the words of Kaladin, honour is dead. I think we should think about what Cultivation is planning and focus less on how honorific would react.

Stormlight has been pushing the existence of other dimensions (to the average reader Shadesmaar probably looks like a dimension) and planets (Braize). Plus, the book has put in important artifacts from other worlds. Warbreaker is a prequel to Stormlight according to Brandon, so I think the idea of other worlds and shards will be made extremely clear to the average reader. Brandon can't ignore Nathalis in the narrative of the Stormlight. And has there ever been a magic system better suited for world hopping and exploring how worlds connect? Exodus is extremely likely, especially knowing that the humans are liked already from another planet. The series is already about exodus. Isn't the entire goal of the series to reclaim the Tranquiline Halls and leave Roshar in general?

Yes Roshar can be self contained, but Brandon runs the risk of mimicking the Mistborn Shard plot too much if the good guys stop the evil shard just in time. Kaladin and Shallan defeat Odium in the end and the world is reshaped and happy? Really? Would we accept that? More importantly, would Brandon be engaged in such a plot knowing that he had recently done that plot? He doesn't want to be repetitive,and a desire not to be derivative is totally compatible with Roshar being "self contained" as a series. Roshar is a doomed world. They lost the dawn shards, many potential radiants have been killed already, there is the Everstorm, the radiants are insane, someone important is dead, Cultivation is likely depressed, the kingdoms have been at war for a long time, the listeners have their gods back, etc etc. This book can't be about winning, but by deciding the most honourable way to lose.Winning would be interesting, but losing would be compelling. Stormlight has been all about loss and the strength to continue on despite that pain - Journey before destination.

Roshar will be destroyed. This is basically confirmed by deduction. 1. Bradon wouldn't want the same planet-arc as Mistborn. 2. Sel and Threnody have shown us what happens after a shard dies. We need the 'how' of it answered. 3. We know we have seen the ending of Roshar-Saga somewhere in Book 1 or Book 2. (WOB) 4. We saw a vision of the final destruction of the planet. Conclusion. 5. Roshar will be destroyed. It is the most obvious, most clear, most definite vision we have seen thus far. Brandon can't keep having the good guys steal a victory. He has to kill a planet and sadly Roshar is the only planet on the chopping-block. It will go and something will be shattered. Now, there are many ways this could happen. Maybe Cultivation 'cultivates' the planet in order to take a shot at Odium, destroying Roshar in the process? Maybe Odium flat-out wins but the majority of characters escape to a new planet as refugees? Maybe Ambition returns after Odium is slain and Ambition takes over as the villain? Maybe Hold "watches this world burn" just as he threatened to do if necessary? I don't know how Roshar goes down, but we know that it will almost assuredly. I know some people don't agree, but honestly Brandon basically has told us this much. Some people just don't want to believe it since we are used to deus ex machina so far.

I am on team "Ambition had a plan", so anything is possible here. Maybe Ambition dropped by to do some research and thats where the Soulstone Comet Rain came from (as described by Shai's history of her people). Either way, I think ambition did do some research and that he/she did have a plan to resurrect eventually. A shard like Ambition wouldn't just go down without some genius plan. I mean, just look at Threnody; that place is all about struggling to remain alive on both the physical and cognitive realm.

True, maybe you'd need a medallion that somehow let you slide into Shadesmaar, or a Rosharian ability that lets you slide between realms. Bring out the hemalurgic spikes, boys!

If the Amians wanted humans to understand that void bringers were returning, I wonder why they hide 'The Secret" on that one island from everyone. I am so curious what is up there. If the secrets were large enough to prove anything... The amount if religious persecution of the old magics certainly does remind me of the influence of Ruin on paper. Anyone else think Odium or Autonomy/Trell (not sure if they are the same yet) have been seeding religions to much up this planet? The religious upheavals seem awfully coordinated in order to weaken Roshar as a whole.

We really think this is about the Amians?" They are on Team DON'T BREAK ROSHAR just like most Bipeds. Isn't this just about Odium leaving humans alone for a long time so that the planet would stop hardening itself for battle? Basically, Odium let us get chubby.

Here is the Death rattle:

A gold misting is known as a Augur. An Allomancer burning gold is able to see a hallucination of who the user could have been, known as a "gold shadow." Due to the emotional stress associated with seeing one's alternate past, gold is not a very useful metal. Furthermore, touching the gold shadow while burning gold causes unpleasant side effects. Auger Definition = to predict the future especially from omens My Gold-Savant Augur use: The Armchair-Augur Malatium Note: When a certain Mistborn flared Malatium, he was able to see a complete vision of TLR in a very particular room at a very particular time. The Mistborn was given a fullvision of the room itself. This was not a potential TRL, but an actual historical event. One can see not only the changed-self, but one can gleam details surround the events that changed a person. Ex: Seeing Where you Have Never Been The next room is potentially dangerous. You, a Gold Savant, decide not to go into the room ahead of you. Then, while concentrating of the decision to NOT enter the room ahead of you, you burn gold to check to see what Room-You's life would be like if only you'd gone into that room - you see yourself in the other room eating chouda and being super happy. Having golded a good result, you go into the room. (this may require a duralumin-medallion) Potentially you'd only be able to see visions if that room made a meaningful change in your life. Worry not, if you see nothing then that room is relatively safe. By checking your potential other self in that room, you know more about the present. This would likely take a lot of practice, but we've never seen anyone really practice using gold to see different time-sensitive versions of themselves. Vin sees the most relevant past-self regarding her mental state and mental issues. Had Vin been thinking about a life without meeting Eland, likely she would see a different Gold Shadow; there can't just be one Gold Shadow that defines you. Think of Shai from Emperor's Soul creating multiple Soul stamps; there are many possible Gold Shows in our lives. This 'room-checking' reminds me of the Avian Abilities as well. Fun Note: Augur itself is a greek word referring to the practice of divining the future via consulting the actions of birds (avia). ------- Potentially, if you got VERY good at this, you might be able to explore the world without ever leaving your living room. Think about what would have happened if you'd only gone to Duladel, burn your metal, and see the result. Secret History Cognitive Shadow was able to see entire rooms when he Bursted his 11th Metal, so perhaps if you owned a Duralimun Medalion you's be able too Arm-Chair around the cosmere.