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I recollected it being far less than that, my mistake. Oh, ok I see where you are going with this. That's a good question and I dont have a definitive answer to it, other than to assume/believe that the existence of world-hoppers at all implies that it's a surmountable challenge. Given that the Perpendicularity are described as the equivalent of Gravity Wells, I would personally expect there to one or more technological solutions to that, some Investiture Compass/Sunstone/Starchart equivalent that would point to the nearest Perpendicularity. Taldain Sand, for example, though I dont know what sort of range it would have. For what it's worth, anything that exists in the Cognitive Realm can probably be assumed to have some knowledge of and/or access to Investiture, since that's Food to the natives and is needed to make the trip for any Physical being. Investiture is all you need for both those things, didnt Hoid use a local ghost and an invested Oar?
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It may be a problem that solves itself: Lingual drift tends to happen as the generations rise and fall. But if the population includes a sub-group that still actively speaks the "original" then it would be able to preserve the original forms before any significant shifts could anchor them in the main usage. They could still split, but it would need a more specific cultural trigger the make the rest want to actively separate themselves from the Elantrians (similar to the America's making changes to the English language, or the rise of "Oxford English" had social/caste implications. Had it lasted longer the Raod would have likely accomplished that sort of segregation. But as long as the Immortals are interacted with persistently enough the rest of the population shouldnt have lingual drift large enough to make communication difficult; at most they will have the typical generational slang and maybe regional accents.
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Given the "physical" proximity, my question leans more toward "How could they Miss it". I think we may just have to wait until we get a clearer view of one of the transition zones to clarify how large and/or visible they are to the nearby regions. That is an entirely separate and very good question, I have no idea beyond the otherwise "impossible" nature/timeframe of it's arrival (just as if a fully populated continent appeared one day). Logically "They" (as in whomever was around to observe it) would have to assume that was either newly created (and if they know of Adonalsium and/or the Shard they'd have reasonable suspects) or else pre-existing and was Moved there. Assuming that would have any bearing on it's cognitive Connections, anyway. Im not sure what you are suggesting here? The nature of the CR ensures that any place that exists has a population thinking about it at minimum, and actively observing it to really develop it. That makes the danger of arriving somewhere uninhabited pretty slim indeed. Or are you imagining Physical Realm Space exploration?
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Are you asking how a new region can get inserted into a non-euclidean plane, or are you asking how the residents of the bordering area's would be able to spot the new region?
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I never said it moved or shifted anything preexisting, only that a whole planet's worth of new Realmic region definitely appeared in their backyard all of the sudden, which is something they are very likely to notice.
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We know that there are populations and commerce present in the Cognitive Realm, and we know that the distance between CR Scadrial and it's inhabited neighbors can be measured in steps. Which means at some point a brand new border showed up right next to the other populated planets (in the time it took the Shards to make the planet and population, whatever that might have been). Scadrial is the Expanse of Vapors, which is known to border both the Nexus of Imagination (Southern Rosharan Ocean), the Sea of Lost Lights (Eastern Rosharan Continent), and wherever that Ire outpost proves to be. All three of those are known to have sentient populations, at least these days. It remains possible that there were not spren yet, we know Sapient spren came post-shattering, so if Preservation and Ruin went off and made Scadrial before some of the other Shards got settled into their new worlds, there might not have been much CR population yet, leaving Hoid and the Dragons as the only thing old enough to have been around to notice.
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^This. Shadesmar has some active cultural presence and knowledge, including the Silverlight University, the Ire, some sort of interplanetary postal service and caravan travel, etc. As far as how they can get information, there are a number of reasonable possibilities that we know of. Scadrial's creation would have been a pretty big event in the Cognitive Realm. The Worlds but right up against each other, with very little space in between; a whole new and fully populated Planet appearing would be like Atlantis rising from the middle of a Kansas cornfield. FYI, Khriss was involved in the founding of Silverlight, so if it predates the Shattering then so does she:
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I didnt say I thought Tin was not the way to make a Diminisher, just that I wasnt sure a Diminisher would be the way to make a refrigerator. Eh, whatever you want to call them, we can stick with Mandra if you prefer. Regardless they are the spren that were added into the setting to allow giant kaiju sized creatures to exist, and are credited with making them lighter to accomplish it.
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We dont know yet, as we dont actually know how they made the trip. As of 2018, he hadnt worked the details out himself yet, other than it's leaning toward some sort of teleportation effect, and not a Physical Realm spaceship.
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Hmm, possibly... It said that Pewter would make it "express it's attribute in Force." But with Roshar so heavily reliant on cognitive perception, would you need to Diminish a Flamespren to make cold, or do you instead need to go out and find a Frostspren to do it? By Rosharan logic. I do suspect you are right about Tin being a Diminisher, thought it may only diminish to equilibrium rather than a true reversal (ie Diminsh a flamespren only to ambient temp rather than continuing into a true Cold regions). In the case of a different Force, you could probably use Tin to Diminsh a Mandra/Gravitationspren if you wanted to make a giant airship weightless, just as easily as you could use Pewter for an upward lashing to counter the airship's weight.
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No, nevermind, I was mixed up into thinking the WoK betrayal happened in WoR. This is what I get for trying a back-to-back re-read. Honestly Im not so sure, based purely on the horrific cost of life we can attribute to Sadeas' Bridge strategy as compared to Dalinar's. Lots of people died i the Rift, and a crap-ton more in Gavilar's War of Conquest, but I suspect that the accumulated death-toll from five years of Sadeas' meatgrinder would actually dwarf what the Blackthorn bulled off in his heyday.
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Well, then I really dont get the OP's argument. It sounds like they are saying that Sadeas was being straightforward or honest or something about his intentions. Sadeas was far more of a selfish and deceitful monster, and with a far more cavalier disregard for life. He also came to admit to himself that he didnt actually care about the Why of the fighting anymore, he just enjoyed the Thrill of the fight.
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"Strait up that he intends to kill Dalinar" is very much NOT what happened. Sadeas was Dalinar's ally in battle, and at the moment he was supposed to come in and join the battle he turned his back. This was calculated betrayal after he swore to put their politics aside and work together.
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Agreed, though just to throw out a random possibility: maybe she wasnt there to see Hoid, maybe she was there to see the "Cremling" that Hoid was talking to.
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100% devils advocate statements: Unless you believe that Elsecallers can do something like traditional point-to-point teleportation (RoW Spoiler: If so, then the possibility could remain that she transitioned elsewhere and what we saw was her teleporting to that location (for reasons unknown). And beyond that, the WOB just says she hasnt figured out how to do it yet, but she did it by accident once to get stuck in shadesmar, so she could have accidentally done it again once she regained a sufficient stormlight supply.
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According to the Stormfather, Odium "Rides" the Everstorm the same way Honor used to Ride the stormfather. For now the implication is that Odium uses the Everstorm as a conduit for his perpendicularity (to resurrect the fused and whatnot) but that it takes some more active effort/participation to activate than your standard shardpool. Jade has no particular significance in the Cosmere, and is not a concentration of Investiture. In the Cosmere, Investiture in solid form manifests as Metals (for reasons yet to be revealed). But for the most part no, it takes a particularly large concentration of Investiture to cause the realmic gravity well that is a perpendicularity, your average chunk of god-metal wont necessarily do it. Or you need to have a specially adapted means of making a mini-perpendicularity to transition, like the Elsecallers' Transportation Surge, or the Oathgates.
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Yup, those were the passages I was looking at for Copper, thanks!
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I completely disagree, Renarin's experience when he sees the future and the Light that revealed Moash's alternate self were described as wildly different effects. Renarin's futuresight manifest as a stained-glass window of future pictures that have never been visible to others, as compared to this Illumination that let everyone present see Moash's alternate self. This seems a lot more like the Lashings or the Growth/Regrowth example where a Surge simply has multiple distinct effects. That's a category that fits about half the Surges at this point, I think.
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Question on fantasy weapons; What would you like to see?
Quantus replied to Mordecai's topic in Reading Excuses
I dont mind Swords, but I hate when there is only ever a single Ascendant sword style or design, which historically was rarely the case. Shardbaldes are unique enough to be interesting, and they spend time discussing how their size and spiritual damage is not always the best tactical choice (rather than being a 100% I Win button). So I guess Idlike a fantasy setting that took advantage of the historic variety that exist with Swords (or Spears/polearm weapons, for that matter) rather than such a culturally and functionally homogeneous "blade". The early mechanical ranged weapons, crossbows and various sling designs, etc, were always very interesting to me. Traps that are a combination of mechanical and magic system would be cool, but you'd probably need a hard magic system to make it worth it. Honestly I wish we'd seen more overt Magic Guns in Mistborn Era2, though the system wasnt really flexible enough to make it work before medallions and/or ettmetal. I DESPERATELY want a Type 4 Awakened object that has moving parts of come kind, though I would accept anything from a nerdy abacus to a proto-motorcycle with authority issues. -
Oh! Yes, absolutely. Though I assume that sort of mimicry would be more complicated to pull off, being a more targeted effect, but it certainly sounds plausible.
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As far as I could tell it wasnt anything like that sort of direct thermal energy manipulation, or actually manifesting water melt directly. They had a Soul-Bead of permafrost, glacial ice that has never been melted, and by infusing it with Stormlight they forced it to manifest some (the same way Shallan does a bunch of times). From there it just looked like it cooled off the metal frame, causing normal humidity condensation from the shadesmar atmosphere.
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huh?
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Interesting! So under that model the Copperclouds work as they do more by jamming the bronze signal with excessive white noise than by directly suppressing the pulses. I hadnt heard that take on it before, and I like it. Doesnt change my initial statement though, which is that if Bronze grants a fabrial the ability to Detect [Blank], I fully expect a similarly constructed Copper fabrial to inhibit that Detection of [Blank] using a comparable mechanism to the allomantic Copper/Bronze pair. Sure. OB Ch 99: "Here, the captain knelt and opened the box, which revealed a strange deviuce that looked a little like a coat rack--although only about three feet tall. Made entirely of steel, it had dozens of small metal prongs extending from it, like the branches of a tree--only it had a metal basin at the very bottom." Granted, there's every possibility that the steel's only function is the mundane thermal conduction needed to condense humidity once the Soul Sphere created the cold. Though scientifically speaking, copper would work better in basically every way for that, so Im tend to doubt that's the case.
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I agree so Im curious how you're arriving at the opposite conclusion. Copper Allomancy seems to effect the same principle as Bronze, in that it lets you perceive various forms of Investiture. So if a Bronze Fabrial is a Warning Fabrial that is attempting to detect things at a distance, why would copper Not block/suppres it the same way. Assuming bronze and copper fabrial effect a common mechanism they way they doing Allomancy, of course, rather than a wiuldly different effect like the A/F differences. Yup, it was explicitly "made entirely of steel" Sure. Again, I never said that Copper would only ever have a single use in fabrial techlology. But Copper and Bronze have always worked on the same principle in opposite directions/effects, so if a Bronze Fabrial is can make a Warning Fabrial, it seems entirely consistent that a Copper Fabiral could foil that detection exactly the way Copper Allomancy can block Bronze Allomancy.
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Meh, Surges dont seem to break along those lines as much as Allomancy does. Gold Healing is technically internal too, even though regrowth can be projected. The main reason I hesitate to look at Malatium too close in this comparison is that Aitum and Malatium were specifically and willfully hacked into the system, used to replace two other metals by Leras so there would be a reason to burn the Atium. Meaning it was a weird hacky application, using a god-metal, and with conscious meddling by an insane Shard; that's more asterisks that Id like to add to the theory mix if I can avoid it.
