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Do you want to pick an unnecessary fight with Superman? Because that's how you pick an unnecessary fight with Superman. Joking aside, Im not sure that's accurate for her. She's forward thinking for sure, but also a touch hands-off in the sense that she seems to sort of roll the dice on a gambit and then sit back and see how the dice fall. Both Dalinar and Mr T are examples of this to me. She just doesnt seem that...Proactive? Micromanaging? Other hexadieties certainly, Ambition especially, but Cultivation is all about a light touch and the giant blanket over the whole planet seems a little too brute force an approach (at least from my limited audience POV) Fair point that he can still talk to her, I though I remembered it making her entirely blank from him. But I still sort of see them as the same thing: Hemalurgy works everywhere, regardless of the mundane metal's origin, so the ONLY spike that does not grant Ruin/Harmony all the normal access/oversight is a spike made from a Rival Shard's godmetal, if not Trellium, specifically (that we know).

Only to shards that already view each other as rivals and/or threats to each other, which I dont expect to be a universally held view.

Hard to say, but as boring as this possibility is, it might not actually do anything. The pools, the mists, and the godmetals are all just physically condensed Investiture. But at least on Scadrial, the metals are the ones that cause significant changes to the Spiritweb, the others dont appear to actually do much without direct action by the hexadiety (like using the Mists for direct fuel or Snapping folks). And in the case of the pools, we have several other similar pools on other shardworlds and while they all seem to have some effect on the local life-forms those effects are generational stuff more than single-event changes. And most if not all of them have been traversed by worldhoppers without major modifications, so they cant be so volatile as to cause major changes from basic exposure.

I know this is not helpful to today's conversation, but my honest interpretation of that is him saying it would still function as a metal capable of acting as a hemalurgic Spike like any other, but that use would be a crazy waste of the Lerasium, which implies to me that it has no additional/unique benefit over mundane metals. Hmm, We know a Trellium spike prevents Ruin's ability to monitor or speak to the target, which I think is also the only actual effect common to all spikes. But then, there is also the Red Haze effect that sure seems to be Trell, and per WOB there are forces actively trying to limit and contain Sazed, which I dont think Cultivation would have any motive to be doing.

If they went Live action, Id honestly hope they would abandon any particular drive to match racial traits to their general earth analogs, instead investing in the makeup to really highlight the oddly divergent evolution of the Roshar humans. That was somethign that really struck me about the setting, and something I initially attributed to the influence of Cultivation on the planet causing speedier divergent evolution. I really enjoyed that their racial traits were things like having metal fingernails or eyebrows that grew as long as scalp hair, stuff that to us seems as fantastical as naturally blue anime-hair

How possible is it that Cultivation has flipped sides? I mean we're assuming that she's on the Radiant's side because we assume she's on Honor's side, but Honor is gone, , and theirs wouldnt be the first romantic relationship to sour, even without Mind-Altering balls of power that are actively warping both party's personalities.

That's the only real usage we've actually seen, but there are WOB's that say Hemalurgy can take almost anything, but always qualified that the person has to have the correct knowledge/Intent, so for example I dont think it's the sort of think you can stumble across via experimentation. The other side is that animals would presumable just have smaller/simpler spiritwebs with little of practical value to steal for a human, though a hyper-augmented animal like a Spike-Horse could be pretty awesome. In other circumstances I could see there being value of, say, stealing animal senses (ala RuneLords) but when there are Tineye's around why waste the effort on a lesser donor? On the other hand, animals could still have useful planetary Connections (simple or sentient they are still residents) and I could see that playing a role in the eventual FTL systems, using animals as humane spiritweb donors. Well, not disproven outright The real issue is that we only have one example of a Godmetal's use in Hemalurgy, and that was Ruin's own Godmetal which is going to be special almost by definition. That's just too little data to establish any definitive patterns.

If Im not mistaken the first half of Stormlight is supposed to be contemporaneous to the Wax&Wayne timeline. Specifically I recall seeing it said that when Hoid left and returned at the end of WoR, he was coming back from Scadrial. My guess (based on that) is that Sazed was referencing how Hoid gave Wax that medallion. I couldnt swear that it's confirmed though.

Yup: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/243-hero-of-ages-qa-time-wasters-guide/#e6095 #63 Vegasdev Would Hemalurgy work on animals? Brandon Sanderson Yes, it would.

both (per WoB, I think) the Nahel Bond and the "Snapping" requirement to activate a persons innate Allomancy are operating on that same principle of needing "cracks" in the spiritweb for the new bits to attach to. EDIT: Found the WOB, it says they operate on similar concepts, but I think implies that on Scadrial the system does the active Snapping but on Roshar the Spren are "looking for a specific thing that is similar to what Snapping does."

Ya, I could see a pre-existing Marriage pact being enough of a loophole to appease the Honor Intent, especially depending on the specific terms and reasoning behind the initial pact.

This, though there is also the fact that all the red glow around the Fused likely means Odium is actively mimicking a pre-existing system, so his preferences likely wont change them from the pre-existing form (beyond all the more blanket things going on like corruption of spren or a whole new Storm)

hehe, I took an entire class on college on which infinities were bigger than others, lots of Cantor and Godel. It warps the brain a bit but it can be logically done. I think the Hexadieties would be closer to Splinters in that they are carved off with distinct purpose/functions form each other. But to say they are "closer" is to pretend that I have any idea what an avatar is.

That and it has had an evolutionary effect on his general cognition and/or outlook, by his own description, which while not precisely a tangible effect is definitely a change. I suspect that plays a role in how much Dalinar is able to leverage, though Im not sure whether that is by making the spren more "human" via the cognitive Shadow or just changing his nature from a Spren of the Storm to a more rounded/resonant 'Honor' analog.

Well there goes most of what I thought it was doing, looks like I was filling in the blank spots with a big ol' assumption. And you say there's no good answer yet on how the Fused are/were getting void-light? That's going to nag at me.

Apparently I need to go back to school (or take a nap) because it looks like the Everstorm wasnt at all what I thought it was... I know it revives the Fused, it allows them some ability to travel to and from Shadesmar (right?), and I thought it was also fueling their Voidlight but apparently not. I thought it also futzed with the Highstorm itself in some ways, yes? Made the Timing less predictable and prevented it from refilling gems when/where they crossed. How much of that is actually correct?

Interesting! That still doesnt really explain how Odium was getting Void-light to his forces during the normal Desolations. That's not to say he isnt more than capable, Im just curious what form and mechanism he used. Was he just waving a hand and whooshing void-light out to their gems? Was he Bonding them more directly in a corrupted sort of Nahel Bond? Was he able to summon his own Perpendicularity (and if so why would that be Voidlight when any other shards perpendicularity will supposedly fill gems with Stormlight.

Wait, I thought the Everstorm was a staple element of the previous desolations, how else were odium's forces fueling their Voidbinding? BAM alone couldnt funnel enough, right?

He knew enough to know that he was talking about reviving old Gods from the Singer's history, so Id want specific evidence before I assume he was unaware that to bring about a Desolation would require the Everstorm.

I was assuming we'd be after a Cube-machine so the mass and response-time limits of an actual allomancer wouldnt be a factor. Another relevant factor is how Aluminum is actually functionally shielding things, which is a separate topic Ive been meaning to start: in electromagnetism we use Mu-Metal for shielding, but it doesn't actually /block/ magnetism, rather is is so great at conducting magnetic flux that all the energy flows through it rather than leaking out and interacting with other things. I recently saw the theory that Aluminum might be doing what it does by being the Investiture equivalent of the Ground State, which would go a long way to explaining why Aluminum is inert to most Investiture but can still be Invested by the Metallic Arts. I would have agreed but I just did a google search for Steam powered motorcycles and some of the designs are actually pretty decent looking

Well, That makes sense from the perspective that he's too young to have screwed up like the rest. So if Best=Most Pure he's win by default, I guess

Physical arrangement can get you some force differential in the form of a perpendicular arrangement that's aligned to the upper node such that it delivers a different force there vs the lower one that is at an angle, and the shielding you describe would at least help in that scenario since Allowmancy does not drop off as quickly with distance as Magnetism does. Im not sure it would work (well) for more or less the same reasons that we cannot make a motor with just permanent magnets: you're going need some form of Switching in the system, some capability to change the direction (which is the limit of natural push/pullers that can only direct force toward or away from their center of gravity) or it will eventually just run down like all the best perpetual motion machines. We dont know much about the interconnection workings of the Southern Tech, but as a base they'd need to be able to able to channel the effects of the Harmonium drive cube to different locations around the system or it would not be able to do any other duty besides the main, single-direction lift. So if you can do any kind of switching them you can just arrange the poles like we do with the various electro-magnetic motor styles today. The ability to switch your motive force is key to getting any sort of cyclic work out of a system. With electricity this means AC current (ie Alternating) or else a Direct current with mechanical switching as part of the motor itself (and usually some cycle energy storage like a flywheel). Lacking the ability to selectively push objects or move the push/pull force dynamically puts you back into the basic Stored-Force realm where clockwork and , I think a simpler solution would be closer to the steam piston-designs you've seen on old railroad engines, where the Steel and Iron (or just one and some spring-return device) are alternating a push/pull on a linear shaft and the machine design is what translates that to rotation. Or even just allomantically compress a drive spring and make the rest of the system all cogworks

To add to what Agent34 said, there were the three unique Bondsmith Godspren (Stormfather, Nightwatcher, Sibling) prior to the death of Honor, so he existed in that form prior to bonding Honor's cognitive Shadow. We dont really know much about how things were changed before and after Honor and Cultivation arrived; we know the Highstorm was changed pretty dramatically, but also that both Spren and the Highstorm existed on Roshar back during Adonalsium's time.

Back in the dawn of the modern Internet when Screen names and user alias's where first becoming a thing I arbitrarily went with Quantum Traveler as a really vague Star Trek TNG reference for my early AIM/ICQ, and that eventually got shortened to Quantus around the time of Unreal Tournament LAN parties in my buddy's basement back in the late 90's.