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When he swore the 3rd Ideal to follow Dalinar, he felt a sense of Approval from his spren but said it "rarely showed itself to him, even then." (OB Ch.121)
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What was the first Sanderson Cosmere book you read?
Quantus replied to Mailnaise's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Mistborn, though in retrospect it was actually probably Wheel of Time so I should have hit non-Cosmere. Im pretty sure that is what introduced me to his writing and made me seek out his other works. -
To add to what the others have said, we know they have to be melted to properly alloy, since a Mistborn can drink a mix that contains both tin and copper and still get those abilities, and you have to include actual Bronze (3:1 copper to tin ratio) too.
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Fair enough, though I think the likelihood, or lack of it, has a lot less to do with the Intent itself and far more with the cultures (and their relative leanings) that the vessels where drawn from. "Honor" means something vastly different in modern day America than it did in feudal Europe, and both look different than Ancient China. For that matter, I honestly think you'd have a better chance of getting a...Benevolent isnt the right word, but...Positive(?) Odium in a society that was more used to violence and how to channel it productively than 21st century earth has anymore. Too many scars from World Wars and then the Cold War era in the shadow of Nuclear Mutually Assured Destruction. Granted I never lived in those times so there's a good chance Im romanticizing them more than they deserve; but even if the times themselves sucked, I do think the odds of getting a better psychological mix for controlling that particular Shard would be better.
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Devotion without restraint or Context gives you Stalkers. Odium (ie Divine Wrath) with restraint and context give you, well, Passion. Ruin accepted as Entropy and a natural part of a Temporal world gives you any number of your classic benevolent Death figures. Ambition if it maintains a healthy dose of Empathy could be a great force for self-betterment without needing to do so at the cost of others. Honor done wrong gives you the classic self-righteous Paladin trope or the darker parts of the Samurai era's. Cultivation done wrong gives you any number of horror genre mad scientists. Preservation done wrong gives you the worst helicopter parent imaginable, or maybe just a frozen/glass planet. The Shards are Primal Intent without Context, it's the Vessel's that can (but sometimes dont) provide that context, because they at least start off as whole beings, rather than the shattered Whatever that Adonalsium was reduced to.
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All in the Vessels interpretation, methinks. Granted Dominion (and also Ambition, Ruin, and Odium) are going to be harder to swing toward the benevolent than say Devotion (Synonymous with Love), but Ruin could have been Natural Entropy, Ive seen (in DC Comics) where the primal/Godlike Love Entity is called The Predator, and such things. Dominion as a concept only gets bad when it treats those under it's power poorly; pair it with a balancing Shard (Devotion probably would have done well, Honor too) and you dont have get get Dominion=Tyranny
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The context of the statement was when Dalinar was getting flown out from Urithiru to the warcamps for the first time and was freaking out slightly on the whole experience: Dalinar was thinking it was like being on a ship during a storm the helplessness of it. SF: You're thinking of me. I can feel it. D: "Im thinking of how you treat ships" SF: Men should not be upon the waters during a storm. Men are not of the waves. D: "And the Sky? Are men of the Sky?" SF: "Some Are. He said this grudgingly." I take it to mean that he generally does think people should get out of his way during a storm and not try to be out in the danger, but is willing to grudgingly acknowledge that Windrunners are an exception. He did have that whole confrontation with Kaladin where Kal was trying to get him to go easy on some folks that were stuck out in the storm, and when he would/could not (Syl compared it to asked a fire to Please Stop Being Hot) Kal used a Surge to split the storm, and later by way of "apology" the Stormfather used the winds to guide Kal back to Urithiru when his mission was done.
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Theory about the nature of the Cognitive Realm
Quantus replied to Hoiditthroughthegrapevine's topic in Cosmere Discussion
"Pity"? No way. Interest, and (if Im honest with myself) a healthy dose of Boredom. There's a lot to unpack with the rest of your post, Ill have to get back to you on the rest -
They are all a blending to some extent, because they all arose after Devotion and Dominion were Shattered and their powers where stashed and mixed in the Cognitive Realm to make the Dor. All the various Selish magic systems are regionally locked because of the fact that the Dor is in the Cognitive realm (where location matters) as compared to basically every other magic system that is sourced in a shard residing in the Spiritual Realm. The biggest influence on a magic system being more Dominion vs Devotion (as far as I can tell) is that Skaze and Seons where created during the shattering (described as the sparks that where thrown off during the event), with Skaze being of Dominion and Seons being of Devotion. So any of the magic systems that have a lot of direct influence from one of those kinds of beings are going to skew in their respective directions. Chayshan, for example, doesnt seem to have any affinity either way, and also doesnt involve either type.
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Lerasium spike steal "All Abilities" while Atium spike steal "any Power". I dont know what the exact difference it, but I think that's going to be a very key distinction. Based on the word choice in the rest of the chart, I think Atium will specifically steal Investiture-related abilities (allomantic, feruchemical, etc) while Lerasium will instead be able to all the victims actual personal attributes like Senses, Strength, Mental Fortitude, etc. This would be a change from our previous belief that Atium could mimic the function of any other spike (making it limited to Powers) but it would better fit the chart as written. If "Powers" can equal those other innate things, then an aluminum spike should turn the recipient into a mindless slug...
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Theory about the nature of the Cognitive Realm
Quantus replied to Hoiditthroughthegrapevine's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Excellent point, I was thinking of it as a 4-D space because Time exists but isnt particularly binding, but something more 0D singularity-style is definitely a better model for it given how both Space and Time are all one accessible thing. -
Theory about the nature of the Cognitive Realm
Quantus replied to Hoiditthroughthegrapevine's topic in Cosmere Discussion
The idea is that it would require that said Colonists reach a space-fairing stage before they reached their Cognitive realm and solidified its form. The WoB in the OP is talking about Shadesmar and Roshar specifically, but the Cognitive realm is different for each planet; on Scadrial there is no sphere ocean or inverted topography, on Roshar metals don't glow, etc. -
Theory about the nature of the Cognitive Realm
Quantus replied to Hoiditthroughthegrapevine's topic in Cosmere Discussion
With great difficulty. Fortunately I think it would take an odd convergence of Technological advancement and Realmic Ignorance for a culture to reach the point where the Spherical Shape model overrode the far more intuitive Flat-Plane shape before they managed to get into the Cognitive Realm and lock in their impression of the CR directly as a flat plane. -
Theory about the nature of the Cognitive Realm
Quantus replied to Hoiditthroughthegrapevine's topic in Cosmere Discussion
It's more or less the aggregate of however the people/culture's present think of it. They'd be disk or sphere shaped based on the overriding ideas of the living populace, not unlike how Spren had Four Genders until Humans took over. It's not going to be based on the location of the perpendicularities given that those can and do move, and since not every populated world has them. Random comment: Given that your Spiritweb Knows how old you are (which is why stopping longterm Atium Compounding causes your body to rapidly age to "catch up") I think the Spirit Realm has one Dimension More, not Less: I'd call it a 4D space. -
Ok, so there's a lot of vocabulary subtlety going on here, I'll do what I can to lay it out. First off: the term "Soul" is all but useless in these sort of cosmere discussions, it's always culturally loaded and usually incomplete if not outright incorrect. It's sometimes used to refer to the beads (the Cognitive aspect of objects), or the Spiritweb (the Spiritual Aspect of creatures), or the actual "Soul" as Im used to thinking of it: the thing that goes Beyond when something dies and is irrevocably lost even to the power of a Shard. Everything does not "have a spren", but everything does have a Cognitive Aspect (which is what Soulcasters can talk to if they want to convince it to Change), and that's what the beads and the flames are representing. Spren are living Investiture that has gained shape via influence of living, physical beings. Sometimes, but not always, they can gain full Sentience. Seons & Skaze are selish equivalents of spren, Nightblood is describes as a Robot Spren (the Cosmere equivalent of your traditional sci-fi AI), and Rosharans would call even the Shards Spren (even though there's arguably a lot more to them). To the meat of your theory: There is something fundamentally lost when a person dies, it Goes Beyond, and Brandon has stated that he doesnt want to ever fully pin down what happens, leaving it permanently a matter of each readers own interpretation (much like the Afterlife in the real world). What we do know is that something leaves, though there are ways to make it stick around longer, such as by supercharging it with Investiture (what happened to Kelsier) or "stapling" it back to it's body (The Returned), but once it goes it's it gone. The body that is left behind is fundamentally different and has been downgraded to Meat Object, which is why a shardblade treats it differently before and after the Killing Blow. There's a certain amount of time delay involved, just as a recently broken object can be repaired by Adhesion so long as it still views itself as the whole object and not a stack of pieces (when a broken boulder becomes two discinct rocks). The body does have a lot of affinity toward it's past self, to the point that it's a lot easier to Awaken into a Lifeless, but it's still missing something vital. Especially in the case of Soulcast bodies, because they've been forcibly Changed from their original state into a wholly new material by a Soulcaster, though the fact that they are perfect copies of a real corpse makes them easier to Awaken (but still Type IV awakening of Inorganic materials, not Lifeless). In Short: To do what you describe is essentially trying to create and/or communicate with a Cognitive Shadow, which is a discinct and often very possible thing, but I strongly doubt that Soulcasting is going to allow it to happen since there are things that need to happen at (or immediately following) the person's death to make it possible, and Soulcasting is more about dealing with with the Object left after that (or doing the killing itself, as Jasnah does).
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Elscaller can also, apparently, find somebody in the physical world via their Soul on the Shadesmar side. Ivory wanted to use that method to find the Heralds: "In this world, men can hide easily--but their souls shine to us on the other side." (OB Ch. 47). It's always possible that any order could use whatever method they are referring to, but I tend to think it's a specific trait of the Elsecallers, which are supposed to be the best of them all at Shadesmar shenanigans: in this case literally Calling Someone Else.
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Pretty sure not. The special thing about hte moon Scepter was that it was a "Rosetta Stone" for the various Selish magic systems, allowing somebody knowledgeable (like Hoid) to translate the symbols from one to another (He was trying to figure out how to give himself access to Selish Magics). But I dont know that it actually Invested in it's own right, and it was definitely specific to Sel and the Dor, so I dont think Odium would have any need andor use for it on Roshar. Not to mention he's been trapped and so hasnt been able to get back to Sel since the Dor developed.
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Another datapoint: The Stormfather stated in OB that men do not belong on the Seas during a storm while grudgingly admitting that some do belong in the Skies (presumably talking about Kaladin and the Windrunners), which makes me definitely think there arent any Radiants that have a strong affinity toward water.
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Maybe, but Im pretty sure Peter Porker is the most powerful by a fairly wide margin. Looney Tunes are basically immortal, after all.
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Reen was her actual half-brother and a real flesh and blood person, and he withstood quite a bit of torture at the hands of the Inquisitors, but never broke and revealed that Vin was still alive (which would have been unnecessary if he were a literal manifestation of Ruin). Ruin did pretend to be Reen and use his "voice" fairly often in his attempts to manipulate her, though. And we know that Ruin was influencing their mother from early on (who was insane in her own right, letting Ruin in) so that may well have been the reason she chose that name for her son in the first place.
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In terms of Essences, at least, Water falls under the Blood aspect, but isnt as primal an expression of it, which is why it's harder to do, and why Navani worried that her experimental Anti-Humidity fabrial might accidentally suck out the blood of everyone nearby.
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We dont have a whole lot of details, but Atium can be melted down like a normal metal to create Alloys like Malatium, at the very least.
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Click the "history" link at the top, next to the Edit, and it will take you to the archive of all the previous versions. You should be able to revert it from there, or copy the missing bits from the last one.
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Those are two different things as far as Ive been able to tell. Investiture that is "destroyed" via things like hemalurgy, destroyed physical containers, etc return to the Spritual Realm. Nightblood, meanwhile, is always described as "Consuming" Investiture as opposed to Destroying it, and questions about whether it goes back like standard Destroyed investiture have been RAFO'd, which was why I asked if you had a new datapoint to settle the question.
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Taravangian has a Herald influencing him currently (per the WOB below). He believes that Dova, the Ardent who warned him of the coming desolation (and is running his Death Rattle factory) is Battar (per OB Ch 121). However the WOB is a little vague about which Herald is actually near him. It was sparked by a different WOB (below) that was supposedly written at a book signing but we never got a picture, which seems to have prompted the follow-up question. Is it possible that the original statement was always intended to be Battar and was never actually Pailiah? The selfish reason why I ask is that I have a theory about Odium's creation of Voidbinding: Odium seems to be avoiding too much in the way of direct Investment in Roshar, preferring instead to alter things that are already present and/or Invested to serve his ends rather than Investing too much of himself. The theory is that he cannot Create/Unlock full bonded Voidbinders (like Renarin) without first Killing&Trapping their corresponding Herald Patrons. Thus he would not have been able to create Voidbinding equivalents of Windrunners until he after he had Vyre kill Jezrien with that special knife (which Im leaning toward it a Dawnshard, by the way). Id abandoned this theory entirely once I found the WOB that said Pailiah (Patron of Truthwatchers) was spotted alive in WOK when I think Renarin would have already been manifesting the beginnings of his abilities and scrawling numbers on walls, but if there is reasonable doubt that the referenced Herald is not Pailiah and is instead Battar, it would make it all possible once again. Not sure I have the timeline correct, and Im not sure it fits entirely with Ash's reaction to Jezrien's death if it were not the first time (though Jezrien was her father so it would make sense for her reaction that death to be more dramatic...) Thoughts?
