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Room Seynir "Indeed" I walk to the door, and examine the hinges, careful not to touch the darkness. [ooc] I want structure and material of the hinges, as well as whether it allows for the door to be pulled back without touching the dark stuff, as many normal hinges do.[/ooc]

Which one of us? Well, I assume me, since I am the layman around here. Well. OK, I see it. I used element that has (a+0=0+a=a) property, whatever its name. Then, what is the zero element of addition? Does it even exist? So, let me get this straight. Abstract algebra is, basically, basic operations that we learn in elementary and middle school, only on arbitrary elements with arbitrary rules that fit whatever problem you are solving, covered by fancy and ambiguous terminology to hide that fact? Strictly imo, using the formulae that define the properties, instead of weird names is much more clear and reduces ambiguity and misunderstandings, but what do I know...

Room Seynir "I don't see the point, since they appear to be identical. Let us open this one first, and see what lies beyond. Then we can check the other one." I move to the corner and face the door.

Let me try this I am no mathematician, but I like to try. So, first, "simplify" the problem so that I could read it. There are variables (G,H,K) that have addition defined on them. There are linear-like functions (homomorphisms: f(a1+a2)=f(a1)+f(a2), for + being the abelian operation on corresponding groups, blah, blah). Let g,h,k be any values in groups. Then, what you have is: g1(f1(g))+ g2(f2(g)) = g f1(g1(h))=h f2(g2(k))=k f1(g2(k))=0 (you sure about "sends all elements to to the identity element", rather than "to zero element"? I am going to consider it zero element, h+0=0. It is weird otherwise (h+1=h)) f2(g1(h))=0 You need to prove that there are functions s(H,K)=G and s-1(G)=(H,K), so that s(s-1)=I, s-1(s)=I (from wiki) So, let us consider a (map, function, whatever) s(h,k)=g1(h)+g2(k), and s-1(g)=(f1(g);f2(g)) then: s(s-1(g))=g1(f1(g))+g2(f2(g))=g s-1(s(h,k))=(f1(g1(h)+g2(k));f2(g1(h)+g2(k)))=(f1(g1(h))+f1(g2(k));f2(g1(h))+f2(g2(k)))=(h+0;k+0)=(h;k) QED? Ok, now I am confused. Either this problem did not require math above middle school level, or I have gotten something wrong. I am leaning towards the latter, so. What did I get wrong? Also, @Chaos : Thanks for explanation! But, I am not sure Dirac equation accounts for interaction (annihilation). Does it? I was almost sure you need to go into field theory for that... If it does, that is good news [Edit] Consistency.

Tunnel Seynir "This part appears to be artificial, so it is more likely to contain traps, although how any traps could survive that many visitors is beyond me. Still, better be careful." I survey the room: (spot: 7) somehow, I don't think my eyes has adapted to the dark yet. "I propose that Turjan checks for traps, while we cover him from near the exit in case of attack. Umieri, is your Detect Magic still active?"

Uh.. What. Pornographic Enders game? How? There is nothing sexual in that book. It is trippy, , there are some violent scenes, and one scene with nudity, and overall a book for people with tastes vastly different from mine, but not pornographic or erotic by any approximation (although... some people have uncommon fetishes I guess. One wonders if that parent was an S&M bisexual ephebophile, or something yet else (insectonecrophile?)) That being said, I regard Mistborn (especially 2nd and 3rd) as lightly erotic. As well as Alcatraz, starting from second. Don't let your children near them, people So, my diagnosis: sheer idiocy. A child (if 14 is still a child, which I doubt) may be bored with many classical books, but none of them shall be banned based on content. They are classical for a reason, after all. Also, it is not like a person of 14 in our age is unaware of sex. Regulating such knowledge is probably better than allowing one to learn from experience. [EDIT] Bah. The issue seems closed: Link

Um, Chaos, isn't just another solution for the same problem? You could do the same trick with exponents, after all (just add 2*pi before division) Also: You know, when I studied this stuff in high school and first year of University, I have always wondered what mathematicians have against the harmless infinity. It makes many calculations so much easier. Sure, it is a freaky number(inf>inf, inf=-inf, etc), but still. So there are two solutions you can define and infinity as a number (inf, 0*inf=1, 0*-inf=-1). Then your multiplication works nicely. Or you could just define all pairs containing zero to BE zero Sure, you'll get a weird 4-lobed torus-like thingie instead of plane, but who cares? At least your multiplication will be saved Now , question: Can a question be more about physics rather than math? On the level above quantum mechanics I don't really see the difference, so here: how does one deal with 2 wavefunctions of different, interacting (positron/electron, to be precise) functions in the same potential well? What is spinor? And what is the difference between algebra of Lie, and normal algebra, which I always assume to be the algebra of Truth?

Well, neither he , nor I am the first: see my post on related topic, and there are many other before me, which I can't find, and I am pretty sure Brandon himself mentioned it (should be on Brandonthology, which I also can't find). Also, the double slit experiment as shown above on the animated picture may also refer to the wave double slit experiment, which is taught in middle/high school, so... BTW, Chaos, did you know that photon does not have a well-defined wavefunction in classical quantum mechanics? Since it moves with a speed of light, and all, so the relativity takes over (and fails miserably). Now, as for the spren.. Um. My above post summarizes my POV nicely. I don't think I have much to add.

[ooc]I suspected as much. I was somewhat sarcastic[/ooc] Cave opening Seynir Waiting for the reaction of other party members, I glance at the corpse again. Several millennia, huh. I have never tried giant, but one has to wonder how long this corpse was around here. I think I'll hold out for something fresher

Cave opening Seynir "Well, while these papers would certainly be of interest to a historian, I don't see how we could apply them to our current situation, so, unless somebody want to carry them, I say we leave them as we found them and proceed into the cave. We should be cautious, though. According to these footprints, the cave appears to be a popular destination for all kinds of monsters, and it does not seem like many were leaving after entering, so either they are inside, or whatever ate them is." "By the way, Umieri, I have noticed you used Detect Magic some time ago. Does that giant have any magical items that we can use?"

Cave opening Seynir I join Striax and examine the footprints, trying to decipher what manner of creature they originate from, while I wait for Turjan to make sense of papers : (Nature: 25)

Cave opening Seynir In the meanwhile, I search the body for other clues and belongings: 19

[ooc] Ok, I'll keep that in mind and keep two cantrips open from now on. Also, do the rules above apply only for female wizards? Why "she"?[/ooc]

[ooc]I don't have one readied - see my character sheet. I am still figuring out what many of the utility spells do. I cannot re-prepare the spell now, right? Unless I go to sleep on the spot.[/ooc]

Thanks! I'll check it out.

Cave opening Seynir "I, for one, have no objection for a delay, although I think we should move a bit out of the open." I examine the body carefully, looking for other causes of death: [Nature: 14, Survival: 5], planes: in case he was killed by outsider that leaves recognizable marks: 18]

Cave opening Seynir As I see Striax approach the corpse, I caution him: "Be careful with that. I would suggest our trap expert" - I glance at Turjan -"Check the area, and the body for traps, before you touch them. Just in case."

Cave opening Seynir I also look around : 19 And then look at the corpse, attempting to see if the cause of his death was any of the arcane effects I know (without approaching any further) : [ooc] knowledge arcana, right? 10[/ooc]

The cake is truth, but point 4 is a lie A logical paradox, too, since by admitting that it is true we give give you your due credit, thus invalidating the point anyways.

[ooc]At last! I don' t see any dungeon thread, though.[/ooc]

Discreet Room - Alleyway Seynir "I am as ready as I can be." I position myself on the cart carefully.

That seems to be a valid, confirmed theory. Where is the humor part? I mean, seriously. I don't see its significance, but that does neither invalidate it nor make it particularly funny.

I dare you show me one of your posts that is funny, much less hilarious Keeping in my that mind sense of humor is in its infancy

Discreet Room - Alleyway Seynir I watch the interplay with certain amount of interest. The laws and the people in this city sure are weird. An abomination may walk the street unchallenged, but killing it gets us thrown out of town? Well, their land their rules I guess. I blink to clear my thoughts and address the cleric "I am Seynir. Your addition to our party is certainly more than welcome. As is the confirmation that the creature that attacked us did, in fact stay dead. By the way, are your superiors aware that it was selling a fake map to the dungeon that may have indicated the ambush site for others like it? Anyway, we were just about to head out of the city, so our presence should not cause any more problems."

Detect Ruin! Thor: somebody with a proper d20 HD would be nice, please. And natural 20AC