The One Who Connects

Have to agree with Archduke, we are not only getting one Radiant per Order. Without even bringing in Edgedancers spoilers (that straight up prove "one per order" wrong) Consider Ym. He has the Progression surge. That makes him either an Edgedancer or a Truthwatcher. We later learned which, but that doesn't matter. We have an Edgedancer already(Lift) and a Truthwatcher(Renarin). And he was a second Truthwatcher. Brandon has told us that we would see another Windrunner at some point, to showcase how the Oatha convey an idea, not exact wording. So that's 2 there as well.

Minor issue with that (which Brandon somewhat pointed out) 16 Metals + 16 Atium Alloys + 16 Lerasium Alloys is 48. Add Atium and Lerasium by themselves and you get 50. But he asked if we included Harmonium in the 50. We counted both of the other God Metals, so it makes sense to count it too. Now we're already at 51 before we even consider Harmonium Alloys. "Nearly" often implies less than. Then there was the other WoB where all we got was "way more than 16, but less than infinite" but that could be counting all 16 god metals, their alloys, and any multi-shard combo god metals. It's around a million if you look at it that way.

Ok, so Yata answered some of the questions already, but I like being thorough. Apologies if I end up repeating them here and there. If you put two Tinminds of different senses together.. Best guess is that there would still be some "corrupted" space that you can't store in. Not sure which sense would work on it, but odds are only one will. We know that two Feruchemists can store separate charges in the same piece of Metal, but I feel that since both charges are your own, they don't have the identity barrier keeping them separate. You can use Hemalurgic spikes as Metalminds. Several Inquisitors have done this in HoA times. RAFO's all around Lerasium. We don't know how Double Copper works. All Brandon has said it it could do "interesting things." Burning Duralumin does not affect storing speed. It affects Burning speed. Storing A-Investiture in F-Nicrosil.. We don't know. There are theories, but we don't know yet Not sure about storing while tapping Aluminum, Yata might be right that you'd have to be tapping Aluminum to tap that Metalmind, but there's debates with Identity. F-Zinc while storing in Copper could probably help you notice all the little details, but ultimately no huge breakthrough. You'd have to be tapping Zinc when tapping those memories again so you find the details quicker. Less time in your head, less time for the memory to become corrupted/fuzzy. You can't spike a Vessel, or have them burn metals. Brandon has said that Harmony's body is sort-of .. "faded in," between the lines, or something like that. Point being that their bodies are not in a place where they can be found and affected, as far as we know. For the second post: As Yata said, Kandra can gain powers via spikes. It doesn't affect TenSoon's claim that Kandra can't use Allomancy, not at all. Rosharan people can't use Allomancy either, but if you spike them, they could. TenSoon's claim involved it naturally occurring, which it can't. Hemalurgy is not natural. Also as Yata said, Sazed made an educated guess about how compounding worked. He probably picked tenfold because 10 is a nice rounded number.

The Bands likely had a Nicrosil "Battery" like Medallions do. It's what allow non-powered people to use the powers. I recall someone making a remark about the Bands feeling drained/almost empty towards the end of the book, so perhaps...

@Did Someone Say Kill Evil? And Fifthly, Brandon has later said that our Survival Shard wants to hide and survive Odium's Massacre because it knows what is going on and is smart enough to get away. He said that its want to survive is only tangentially related to its intent.

Iron: You'd die of being crushed before you could sink to the core or create a black hole. The safeguards only protect against so much Steel: As Patricksinger said, you are limited by friction. Can't ignore drag, and if you somehow go faster, you'll burn up like rockets do on reentry. Pewter: F-Pewter increases your physical size. It is entirely likely that you are just as limited in how big you can get as Koloss are. The skin literally stretches until it can't take it anymore, and would snap if it kept going. That would likely kill you, pewter or not. Tin: Senses store individually, so that'd require a lot of compounding to do. Secondly, Tin-Sight functions more like a binocular zoom than like A-Tin, so have fun with the extreme nausea. Zinc: Brandon has said that Zinc isn't really bullet time because while your mind is faster, your body is not. If your mind percieves everything quicker, but the rest of your body is at normal speed, then even blinking will appear to take forever, preventing you from seeing things to analyze them for what seems like minutes. The faster your mental speed is, the worse it gets. Brass: You're gonna burn up long before you make it to star-levels. Like with Iron, the safeguards can only do so much. Copper: Brandon has said that you could do "interesting things" with Copper compounding. Bronze: Never having to sleep has its own disadvantages. Sleep gives your body time to rest and repair itself, helps with your mental state, among other things. Your compounder will not be able to maintain their health without rest days, and might even go paranoid after a while. It's not direct limits, but it's a case of pros vs cons. Chromium: We still don't know how our "luck stat" works, so it might not be as overpowered as you assume. Interpersonal situations will certainly go your way, but you might not be able to walk through a crossfire unscathed. Nicrosil: Useless without another ability to fuel. Or unless you're in the Medallion industry. Edit: if you do have another power, see Spool's response. Aluminum: from the same WoB as Copper, Double Aluminum would do "not much." It's been speculated that it has to do with the effect of A-Aluminum in wiping the reserves. Duralumin: Trust sure. Following commands... Being very connected with people could make you a pseudo-very close friend, but I don't see it somehow making you in charge. I can see people having less doubts about "ideas" you suggest, but I wouldn't equate connection with charisma just yet. Cadmium: Tap too much breath and you could either hyper oxygenate your blood(bad for you) or even have your lungs explode like overfilled balloons. Bendalloy: It's not energy, it's calories/nutrition. Slight difference, but it's enough. If you don't use those calories to do something, you'd likely gain weight just like we do with normal calories. Like hyper-oxygenation, extra high caloric intake is also bad for you. You need a separate Metalmind to store fluids in, and overtapping that could break your bladder. Gold: You'd basically be a Reincarnation Epic, able to survive any wound, but old age will still be the end. (Miles still got older, yes?) Electrum: I really don't know, but normal electrum has been described as entering a manic state(might've been from the MAG) and I feel like an even more manic state could lead to all manner of mental health issues and paranoia. Edit v2: Thank you for reminding me about my notepad note from last year titled: "The Limits of Compounding" It helped me clean my response up quite well.

Regarding Honorblades: The Shin have 7. (Per Szeth when Mr. T makes up the story that Kaladin has one, he says "one of the other seven?") They had 8, one of which was given to Szeth, and is currently in Kaladin's possession unless something changes Oathbringer. Per WoB, Nalan does have his Honorblade. There's an asterisk that'll come up with that in Oathbringer, but Brandon has said that Nalan is the one who took his Blade back from the Shin. Taln has had his Honorblade during his 4,500 year tenure, which appears to have ended after the Everstorm. (6 years after Helaran's death) Thus he cannot have an Honorblade.

Fairly sure we've been told that the Spren isn't locked away if the Radiant dies of natural causes. I don't know if them being in sword form makes a difference, but Syl remembers "helping people kill" in the past, so she outlasted the deaths of her hosts.

You should check out Pagerunner's "Chemistry of God Metals" thread. Anything that has been asked there will have been answered for you so we don't repeat it, and any new things could go into either topic. It's a fun learning experience Also, I'm pretty sure that if the instability is due to the uneven number of R-electrons vs P-electrons, then it stands to reason it's an element, as I think bonds try to remove the instability, not be a source of it. (My opinion, if I'm wrong so be it, long as I get corrected)

It'd still be the slow Stormlight healing like Szeth has, not like Kaladin's since Taln's Blade doesn't have Regrowth. Very minor nitpick, but I'm in a debative mood for some reason. Also, from one of Brandon's AMA's, the "Heralds have swapped Blades before(but it was very uncommon)" so it's entirely possible for it to power(s) she was familiar with. Well, to kill two birds with one stone, she combats her insanity by focusing on combat. The whole "keep your mind off of it" schtick. Or better yet, following Weltall's "Chana" idea, her insanity is a twisting of the "brave, obedient" divine attributes where she follows orders/the contract(obedient) without regard for who, where or how(brave, in a sense) As Calderis pointed out, Nalan is the only one who took his blade back from the Shin. Asking where Liss got a Shardblade is like asking where Graves got his Plate&Blade, where whomever got the blade they gave Helaran, where.. The secret societies all have ways of acquiring things, and if Liss is a Herald, she's got all the time in the world to acquire one of her own. ... So I reread, you mean where she got the one she used for the switch. Could she not have used the one she already had? After all, an Honorblade would be an upgrade over her old blade.

Well.. An argument can be made for Tanavast, given that if he hadn't made the Honorblades, then Shardblades wouldn't exist, thus no solid form. Under the assumption that Shardpools are always the "liquid" form, I would say they can't stop that from forming. For the gaseous form, consider the other Shards. Who do we not know a gaseous form for, and why? If we know them all, odds are they can't stop it from happening

Not actually. Kelsier broke the things by actually pulling on the geodes via Allomancy. He got steel/iron lines to the geodes without them exploding, so Wax should have seen those same lines were there any Atium around. Any geodes that were inside of his "steel bubble" would have broken as he passed by, but to put it simply: no lines, no Atium.

Trying to find the WoB on theoryland, think it's actually in one of the signing reports on the Shard.. But as Pagerunner said earlier, the Pits no longer exist. The Well is gone too. Harmony has "recovered then" and there was something about a relation to him getting his own Shardpool(might've been our own speculation though)

Got a WoB about the screams at one of the recent signings. Think it said that it was partly her own voice, and a paraphrased bit about "something weird going on with Roshar"

@8bitBobedit: and the others whose notification didn't show up.. Fair enough on the Gold Healing that Kar had, but I was under the assumption that the need for sleep was due to being "worn out" somehow(also from Kar's perspective) rather than a power. Either way, they still don't know how to compound yet. (Marsh learned because of Sazed's musings on how TLR did it, which gave him a head start) I'll look at the scene again, b/c Jasnah's wording could make all the difference. We know Shallan led a .. somewhat sheltered early life, and odds are that Jasnah knew that. We also know that Ardents try to keep a tight grip on their tech and secrets. It's entirely possible Jasnah would assume Shallan has never used a Soulcaster or learned about Shadesmar from the Ardentia, and thus asked her how she knew what she did. Her wording is key, so I may be spouting rubbish. Also, fairly sure there was WoB a long while back about either the Ardents or Roshar as a whole being more Realmatically aware than other worlds. So there is a modern understanding

In a relatively recent WoB (might've been Leipzig, come to think of it) we learned that Odium's bearer was human, but we also got a "not anymore" from that same question. This has led me to infer that even meshing with your Shard's Intent can only keep you separate for so long, and that Rayse is well and truly warped by Odium, just as Ati was. The point is that while Rayse's motivations may have shaped Odium's actions, those motivations are probably set in stone now, filtered through pure hatred.

Too many people to quote while on mobile, so assume I'm talking to most of you. This is just calrifying/responding to points. 1. This is difficult to word satisfactorily, so bear with me. Does it make sense that a smaller object would have to hit with more force to do the same amount of damage as a larger object with less force? It makes sense to me that several smaller hits would be needed to equal the damage of a bigger hit because of surface area. Bullets(or coins) have better odds of punching a hole in something because the smaller impact surface hyper stresses a small segment of the armor, while a hammer blow wears out a large chunk more equally. But you don't punch holes in Shardplate. 2) Modern understanding of the Cognitive Realm most likely came from something other than Radiants (Info lost in Desolations, Recreance saw books burned..) and the only other thing that lets people cross the realms(other than the Pools) would be Soulcasters. It stands to reason that the Ardentia still has similar experiences to Shallan's for the purpose of Soulcasting. I know that this is where intent would come in, but the whole concept (and any sight into the Cognitive) could possibly disorient our thieves trying to figure it out, which is why I brought up their lack of Realmatic Understanding in Era 1. 3) Mistborn going toe-to-toe against Szeth is probably a tough call because Mistborn have a wider variety of powers to use. They have more options, and "the more you can do, the less you can't do" Rich brought up that a Radiant has slower Stormlight loss and a larger reserve, which functionally equates to larger metal reserves. The shapeshifting weapon for a Radiant could be an issue, but there aren't enough of them for it to be game breaking. 4) Pushing Strength is a separate stat from your Pushing Limit. They interact, but more of one does not mean more of the other. Your Pushing Strength equates to how much force you can push with. Your Pushing Limit is how much weight you have. You can't push something heavier than you because you will be moved. You can increase this limit using anchors so you don't move as much, but you can't go beyond your Strength. Shardplate would increase your limit, as you are "heavier," but your Allomantic Strength in Steel/Iron doesn't change just because you gained weight. It'll largely kill flight, as you have to life more weight, but that was assumed already. 5) Inquisitor Powers: They didn't have Feruchemical Powers until Ruin was released. Even if they did find the Feruchemists to spike, they don't know the bind points for F-Powers. Ruin does, which is how Marsh learned. (Or Ruin was in control at the time, and the Inquisitor didn't need to know) 6) Atium is very useful, but it burns relatively fast and is still pretty rare. TLR could probably bend the rules a bit in wartime, but the stuff kept the economy moving because it was costly and in demand.

So that's what you meant by "not a person." Fair enough I guess, but I'll argue that he had to have some small connection to what he created because he created it. That's a connection right there, and the Spiritual Realm seems like it could thrive on technicalities like that. Im pretty sure that we have a statement that the "gods that died on Yolen" weren't in the same category as Adonalsium, but that might have been from discussions about Liar of Partinel... It means exactly what "went nowhere" would mean. It was an idea, discussion happened, discussion ended and it didn't come up again (til now). I thought that one of the other threads about the anagram had something that killed the idea rather than it just ending normally. Then the "inspired by Adonai" happened later and the anagram idea faded even more because we now had something to base the name off of. I'm sure it could've been both, but I feel like original inspirations hold more weight because they've been with it longest.

Could've sworn it was in the first transcript.. Oh well, I remembered it happened. It was definitive that he did not use it for anything other than Allomancy. That's my bad for inferring cause/effect.

Ok, so I did read it wrong the first time. I agree with this now that I understand it correctly. Sorry for the misunderstanding edit: @Calderis, I found the post where it was confirmed to be separate Spren.

I don't actually know if TLR would be tempted by it. He believed that he was saving the world from destruction(he really was, but what's important is what he thinks.) He might be able to resist since he sees himself as doing the right thing. Either way, people in this thread have come to an agreement that the Lord Ruler doesn't step on the battlefield on account of being tremendously OP. It's a clever idea though, fits well for trying to throw the enemy into chaos.

Given that the timeline is relative to the books for both worlds, this isn't entirely relevant, but Brandon has said that "at their height, some orders had members in the low thousands." Obviously this doesn't mean just Knights, it could very well include squires, but the point was that Surgebinding wasn't as rare as we seem to think it was. As for relevant discussion, dueling canes seemed to be a thing for Hazekillers and Noblemen only, not regular soldiers. And here's speculation and a question. I assumed that Hazekillers were a relatively recent profession, given that Venture only had a dozen or two, IIRC. Does this seem like a sound assumption, and does anyone think that whatever training Hazekillers had against Allomancy would help them at all against Surgebinding?

I feel like there was something that implied it worked on other systems, but I can't find it at the moment. Maybe Jondesu is right, and it's never been asked, but I feel like it was.. Something about Shades?

I'll have to disagree here, mainly because Yata convinced me a while back from Pattern's words that the Stormfather was a victim of the Recreance as well. I understand what you mean about how it would've been different when Honor lived, but the Spren that modern man calls the Stormfather was bonded in Recreance times. unless of course I've misread and that's what you were trying to say(upon reread it looks like it). Thanks to Yata as well, we have a WoB that explicitly states they bonded 3 different Spren. I'll find it in the morning (assuming he doesn't ninja it overnight like Kurk did in that one thread..)

Wasn't aware we had proof that Adonalsium wasn't a person. Care to share it? I'd quite like to get some of the arguing on the forums out of the way for good. It's a similar idea to one that I had, where Invesiture without a vessel long enough will become the vessel, in a sense. This is related to the "he was killed" WoB, as there had to be enough of something sentient/living to constitute being killed, rather than being broken/destroyed(terms we use with objects and things) Fairly certain that the anagram idea went nowhere with an air of finality. Especially once we learned that the name Adonalsium was in fact inspired by Adonai (which is apparently Hebrew for "Our Lord" rather than "God")