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Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Yes but sporadic. I first played with them in QF6, remember reading them in MR42 and GMed them in MR43. Take with a pinch of salt as it's rather dated in terms of memories. They're squarely within the player profile that struggles formulating suspicions imo. This does entail E!them would struggle more with it. -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Yeah it is. The only caution I have is that Coffee is in that player profile but I'd prefer not to write it off. -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I guess if they keep the term, even when I stop playing SE and move on to other life stuff like everyone else, it'll be the one invisible stamp I left on the game. Kinda cool actually -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Yeah that one's my fault. SE took the wording from me. I got it from fandom writing exchanges where it's a very common term. @Amanuensis tbh the fact you spent most of C1 thinking I was E is to me improvement on my part considering how badly LG84 ended for both of us. FWIW, Aman is the only player I could see claiming BS as BS work for. I did want to note that. He made the most kill interceptions in LG92 which I GMed. Fifth and I were rather disturbed. -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Yeah that's why I CBA. I think Raven NKA is more for completeness since strictly speaking it's not impossible they were reversed—I just don’t think it’s likely. But the crack theory amuses me. EDIT: FWIW one reason I did it was to formally confirm for myself if it is impossible to make a coherent Elim team from a pool of Raven killers. That would be a nice result to get because it neatly differentiates the kills for us on a stronger basis. Sadly I don't think so. EDIT2: Neil—unsure why you are looking in Ravenpool? If we think Raven is the SK kill, that's not necessarily where we want to be hunting. Similar thing about me & reaction to Raven kill. Just means I'm maybe less likely to be SK. -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Fair. You're her most recent teammate, don't you have some idea? My sense is Ravenclaw passes, because you both played the same first MR and no one blinks about C1ing you or Ravenclaw anymore. I actually have a crack theory on why Raven died which would if true point to a very narrow slice of potential SK candidates. However none of that is relevant here as we need an Elim out -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Is there a reason you're making this assessment but the opposite of Archer? Edited to add: The perfect is the enemy of the good. I still haven't finished my SoD analysis for the full kill analysis but I think Raven can be done pretty off-the-cuff as there was no realistic world in which Raven would've come under vote pressure C1. Starting pool: <Wiz, TKN, Archer, Araris, Aeo, Ravenclaw, Kas, JNV, Devo, Labyrinth/Alpha, Coffee, Neil, Aman, Ash, Cash.> Let's take out our flips first. Starting pool: <Wiz, TKN, Archer, Araris, Aeo, Ravenclaw, Kas, JNV, Devo, Labyrinth/Alpha, Coffee, Neil, Aman, Ash, Cash.> Neither I nor Devo would do this. It's negotiable that I might under very limited circumstances but there's nothing like that in this game. Starting pool: <Wiz, TKN, Archer, Araris, Aeo, Ravenclaw, Kas, JNV, Devo, Labyrinth/Alpha, Coffee, Neil, Aman, Ash, Cash.> JNV would not either. They consider killing new and returning players mean. It's possible JNV didn't recall Raven was new, but given they played in both of Raven's games, that's less likely I think. They also saw my snarky profile of Raven in Archer's QF, which included this classic line: Starting pool: <Wiz, TKN, Archer, Araris, Aeo, Ravenclaw, Kas, JNV, Devo, Labyrinth/Alpha, Coffee, Neil, Aman, Ash, Cash.> I don't know Aeo's kill MO enough. I could see a world in which Aeo kills Raven but I don't feel Aeo is a friendthreatkill type. And I think given Aeo's apparent reaction to Ash being exed, it's safe to say Aeo probably wouldn't gank Raven this early/this way. Starting pool: <Wiz, TKN, Archer, Araris, Aeo, Ravenclaw, Kas, JNV, Devo, Labyrinth/Alpha, Coffee, Neil, Aman, Ash, Cash.> Here's where it gets tricky. Theoretically, Araris shouldn't do it either. I think, however, that Araris tends to be more mindful of returning players than he is of new players - I had to expressly warn him about Wit in MR66 though I was also wrong about Wit. It was a concern Araris did however find pertinent. However, Raven was N1ed in Araris's game and Araris would've been aware that was Raven's first game. I think in general I lean against Raven being an Araris kill. Starting pool: <Wiz, TKN, Archer, Araris, Aeo, Ravenclaw, Kas, JNV, Devo, Labyrinth/Alpha, Coffee, Neil, Aman, Ash, Cash.> From here, I have to say unfortunately I think this pool must be preserved as a strict pool. There are ways to try to narrow it further, but must be marked as being more epistemically risky than the previous. Current pool: <Wiz, TKN, Labyrinth/Alpha, Coffee, Neil, Aman, Ash, Cash> Coffee, Neil, and Cash IMO are obvious people who have to be left in. Coffee largely played before the 'don't C1 new/returning players' deal became a strong social norm and neither Neil nor Cash would be aware of this either. I think Aman would be sensitive to the norm under normal circumstances. What I'm not sure about is how much attention a busy Aman might pay to it, and he's been busy enough he might be unaware of Raven's circumstances. However, that being said, I think he might give Raven a chance. Not sure. Italicise Aman. Ash and TKN have both been busy. They might not know about Raven. I sort of think Ash/TKN would check though, if unsure. Maybe italicise them as well. I don't know if Wiz knows. I think Wiz should in theory, also, care. Italicise. In theory, Labyrinth/Alpha should be really busy and might have just submitted a kill really fast. Or could be so busy it's unlikely he'd kill, but I sort of doubt that. I don't think there's a decisive case either way. Current pool: <Wiz, TKN, Labyrinth/Alpha, Coffee, Neil, Aman, Ash, Cash> Final pool. Sorry it's not as small as it could be. -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I think Ash can. I really don't care if you think his process was right or wrong because you made the Devo call - he finds Elims with NKA on a regular, repeatable basis, and that's good enough for me. Edited to add: I'm so sad I was so stressed during QF59 that Keredin never got to flirt with Awoman Though flirty things really isn't my usual writing wheelhouse so all things considered, we're fine Edited to add 2: Hey @Ashbringer - if you have some time, could you run NKA on the kills, please? We're lost without you. Also @Amanuensis - I see your point on Araris now. Thanks for the catch. Had quite forgotten I asked him for his read on you while I was trying to decide how I felt about you given mixed thoughts. -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Leaning against a Devo preclusion for Ravenclaw - Ravenclaw's easily on third+ game now and hasn't died that early recently. Devo wouldn't have issue and Ravenclaw's in her wheelhouse. I stand by my thought that any regular should've said no to a Raven kill, which is why I still lean SK (Elim team of three should have had at least one player who noticed) and think we can draw up a preclusion list there. Sometimes, Kasim wondered how well he knew the other SE players. It was strange, putting faces to names. Aman, once Ada, and all that talk about the glass box of emotion, and there he was in the flesh. "Good to see you, abang," he said, smiling. All things considered, it should really be adeh, but somehow, Kasim'd always looked up to Aman, so as to speak. He'd been that way with Doctor, too. Most of his life, really. All the way to graduation ceremony during his two years of national service, after which most of his intake flooded off to maintain the security of the public transport network, and Kasim was shuttled off to shuffling papers and handling logistics. Sure, there was a part of his brain that remembered all the fun stuff about murder investigations, but really, he knew nothing at all. Maybe just about as little as all the SE players circulating now, desperately trying to work out who among then would kill. The smile faded as he turned away. He told himself to be reasonable. People reached out to familiar things, to cope. They needed these things, these comforts, these rituals. Perhaps framing all of this as another game helped them handle the idea that some of their number were utter crazed maniacs. Their. Them. It'd been so long, it was difficult to quite see himself as a member of the SE community. No. This much wasn't the truth: he'd never really felt he'd belonged. Had never taken himself to. You could be comfortable with that, Kasim realised. Could be alright with being an observer, peering in at others. Could come to the realisation that you felt as though you were always watching from the outside in. ("I don't really know why you always feel the need to isolate yourself from us," El'd said once. But El wasn't here either.) -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Oh with regard to Coffee pushing Aman- In general, I'd normally give extra credit to a player of Coffee's gen (probably started playing a bit after Araris) for pushing Aman as that's not a thing an Elim does without having a deathwish and I fully expect Coffee to be working with dated Aman threat models. However: But I liked it anyway because I don't feel an Elim (especially with my current mental model of Coffee's profile) is as willing to engage with a BS claim. I think that E!Coffee, knowing V!Aman, probably is not going to want to be so willing to push that potential landmine, especially given Aman's FAFO energy. P.S. Can confirm wrt these: Have been on the receiving end as maf, -10/10 do not recommend Thank Ruin we could slap Aman with a conversion for being this nasty to us Fair, let me see if I can bring you up to speed a little via the analysis. I expect it'll be a bit easier for you as the game goes on because once we shift off the low infokill opening, mid to end game is probably a bit more standard in analysis for NKA. Totally feel you though - the offsite game used disabled plurality and my vote analyst heart was screaming and crying because I'd have to sit and watch a ten vote train go unopposed for hours and not know if it was a hit or not or even have any CW to analyse >> Have never felt so useless in my SE life Edited to add: Aman - I'm curious what your conclusions are? -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Now that Aman's posted, as I felt this was better off coming after that. FWIW Aman, I think my indecisiveness about you comes from several sources. I currently lean V all things considered, or at least not-E, which is all I really care about at this juncture. I felt your first post had good, bold energy. I also like the confidence of the Randed Sanderson As I commented to Wiz, I've played or specced recent E!you enough that I don't believe you would pull such a play without pressure. No comments about peak!Aman - that's dated enough I don't believe he's remotely relevant here. There have been posts where I've wondered if you were ML shopping or being uncharitable, which made me suspicious. This is I think the part that's closest to MR66 / TJ flashbacks, where I hold this in the back of my head and never articulate it, and then start to paranoid you for no good reason. I think on reflection, some of it is because I unfairly expect you to be sharper at everything than me. And that's not quite right. I felt your WiM was lacking a little. But I'm getting that less now and suffering as I am from energy drain, I understand the need to just do your best with what you have and to be present etc. So yes. V!lean. @neil the beguiled - Genuinely, don't worry about it. I'm fine as it gives me something constructive to do in the thread without spending time on major analyses Which makes me happy/feeds my sense I can be useful to the Village without falling into my usual trap of spending hours on wallpost analyses and burning myself out. Like, would I like to do that? Yes. But there's a RL thing that's been sapping my headspace/energy and I'm struggling more than I expected to juggle both. And the report. And sleep deprivation. (Please, if anyone suspects me, don't let this deter you btw. But I felt I had to make a note of it because it's pretty bad for me.) You're just into subtraction aren't u Edited to add: Neil - FWIW, I'll candidly add that giving Ash NKA duties (even while I expect to try to produce some of my own) is helpful anyway. In V!Ash world, we benefit from his strength at this, and it lets him produce content we can read, and maybe makes it easier as he doesn't need to get contemporary with the thread. In E!Ash world, I've also caught him before because he quietly tried to smuggle his teammates out of the NKA and did it a little too quickly. So it's overall good for the Village either way you slice it. -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I'll take that. It's possible but not intuitive - flag it as a thing that can be revised. It's absolutely happened before, but we can probability manage. Thanks, have been super out of it juggling things including a big boss report thing that's due and asking for the impossible and I have actually been doing a full analysis from SoD so I'm not contemporary. Appreciate your finally spelling it out for me. ty! -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
w h y Look. I can't explain why I am seriously off the ball this game without breaking a major taboo so I have to say RL but genuinely, if I can't follow it, and if no one else in thread can follow it, what's the point of making that statement? Please help me understand, what's the basis please ._. -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Hey @Winnie the Pookla why'd you make this -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Like, are you implying you are Evil or something I...don't get it? Help me understand you -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I'm still not seeing it? Like why is voting for you specifically a Villagery thing to do? I haven't finished my analysis (YES I KNOW GUYS SORRY I'M JUGGLING A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS RL I SWEAR) so without context, I really need you to spell this out completely - I can't read your mind here. lurker gang assemble huh -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Fair, just felt the lurking statement read a bit harsh, but tbf I mostly say lurking in an annoyed tone because I struggle to read lurkers so might be me projecting My apologies! Please spell it out...? Edited to add: As in since when doesn't Devo vote EoD. I can count on one hand the number of times. Edited to add 2: Yes but also no -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
It would be good to know the basis of this revelation And also goodnight! -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Dude. Keep in mind this guy is as busy as you. Not saying you shouldn't vote him but please be patient—Aman posted on the SE Discord last month about his job keeping him busy and it's cut down on his gaming time so I get it. Omakase. I have no strong opinion/preference. Edited to add: P.S. @Coffeecat — good practice to unvote but FYI nowadays most GMs just count last red so you're fine either way. -
So first thing, this is more for the Meta/Question and Answer thread here rather than GM signups, please It unfortunately is no longer pinned, but goes down here: However! A lexicon already exists, even if it may need further updating! It exists... Within General Etiquette and Policy! Which you should have read! P.S. If this is particularly related to say, Neil's vocabulary (I cannot comment about ongoing games so this is strictly a comment that other-maf-community players tend to be pretty vocab heavy at times), it's harder to factor those in, as those terms are community-specific, and if you're not exposed to those, you won't know it. Those you just have to ask. Edited to add: To be clear, maybe if you have a wishlist of words you want to see added to the Lexicon, drop them in the Meta thread? I think the mods do a rulespost revision each new SE year, and we're in late Dec anyway. Won't be too much trouble to request they update if it helps on-boarding newer players
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Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
You would! -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I could see E!Aman not doing it at all. It's a very aggressive opening for E!him, and I've had that vibes off some of his posts. V!Aman has FAFO energy in a way E!Aman doesn't IMO. I'm not saying E!him wouldn't, but I've also played E!him playing it straight and I feel he ramps up to that kind of thing when E rather than guns it. I'm interested in how you're so confident of this. I've noted Coffee's argument with interest but I want to see what Aman says before I say anything. Edited to add: Tbh I like it. Coffee. Cash. -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Tbh it's not concern about your reaction. I didn’t realise I was doing this until I talked to TJ the other week about how he used to keep sussing me extra hard. He could have asked me and eased his concerns but he didn't want to because he was quietly worried talking to me would make him go easier on me because bros. I had that issue with Drake as well and then realised that it's the TJ problem and I need to break that habit. I think MR66 drove it home because just directly asking you instead of building huge paranoid theories could have avoided problems. I also don't think it's that you're not readable. I personally feel as though I'm struggling especially hard this game to have reads that feel right and I don't understand why. It's like night and day with my comparator. So yeah basically not you it's me. Just trying to remember to ask as it's not natural for me apparently >> -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Is there something we can do to help you get a better grasp on the cycle? Could you maybe name just one trust and one sus? I think u mean u... Randed Sanderson serious talk do me a favour if I'm sussing you overly and ask me to just ask you about what's bothering me. i realise i do that less often with you and orlok especially and it causes all three of us grief e.g. mr66 and i think changing that or making a habit of stopping and just asking right there or talking about it might help cut down the curse of bro on bro violence -
Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5
Kasimir replied to Mat's topic in Sanderson Elimination
"Thanks abang Love you too, having to wrangle E!you in that Roshar warcamps duel broke my heart <3" !RemindMe for F5 when Aman tries to get me to ML Araris for the challenge. Truly the one where all our hearts were broken :sob:
