Kasimir

Thoughts from me: I think I'm filing this game in the same mental place as MR1: which is to say there were definitely aspects of it that I won't pretend didn't make me rather frustrated and unhappy (hello 17S, hello asymmetric warfare, hello Nightwatcher!), but I've made my thoughts on the fliplessness and arson amply clear in the dead doc and I'd rather remember the fun I had C2-C3 going wild with Aman and Ash. I think there's been a bit of a "chaos for chaos's sake" mentality emerging at various points in this game, and I think it can be somewhat frustrating when your teammate seems to be about the raw chaos and less interested in the consequences their chaos has for their teammates. As a player with a substantial chaotic/troll streak, I'm aware it's a fine line to walk, but would request fellow chaotics be a bit more mindful about whether your chaos now is going to have downstream consequences for your fellow teammates, especially if it's a crucial cycle that players are understandably putting quite a bit of effort into trying to resolve well. tldr; I've always said chaos needs to be social, i.e. this is a social deduction game, check with your team, or at least take a read of the gamestate. Lylo probably isn't the best cycle to go wild, and it's understandably upsetting for the team (Village or Evil) to deal with. I'd agree a bit with the need for the wincon phrasing to be a bit more careful. TJ and I have spoken about how Calamity was obviously a Corrupted Epic - I feel that in a blackout game, players might be cautious about making that inference, especially in SE with a healthy meta of not being utter barves to neutrals. That is to say, insofar as there was a reasonable claim on Devo's part to be a neutral (we've spoken about this as well and I think it's a fair play on her part), players are understandably reluctant to FAFO. I think this is the correct move, but phrasing was definitely a problem for the Village. Have had some side talk with Devo about neutral play, and I have a few more thoughts on this issue I am unable to talk about right now for confidentiality reasons. In general, I think that it was an acceptable line for Devo to take - different players approach neutral play differently; some like to throw in full-throatedly with the Elims (Araris), some go hardcore Villager (Wonko), some are just chaos monsters (TJ), some play both factions (Orlok), and some just dgaf (Gears.) I think Devo being an SK limited her play options quite a bit, since she had to work both factions to win, rather than getting to win alongside one of them. Maili and I have certain concerns about an overall tendency in SE right now when it comes to potential increasing neutral hostility, but again - as Wittgenstein says, whereof we cannot speak, thereof must we remain silent. I agree about standard SKs being underbalanced in general, and I think TJ did a good job in swinging the needle back the other way. But I also question if this game would have worked if Devo had not actually played as sportingly as she did. I feel that in the hands of another player, Calamity could have done some serious damage, alongside the fliplessness and arson, and that does make me wonder about how the balance panned out, if it's so player tendency dependent. Happy for more thoughts and comments, in any case. Conversion always feels difficult for the Village to stomach, though it being a one-shot and to the Corrupted Epics instead does help a bit. I liked the fact this game messed with the standard no rolelynching doctrine to force us to do just that. I do maintain that it was, however, a very steep uphill climb for the Village because we would not have realised the secret until the first Evil flip. Thanks TJ, honestly really enjoyed this C2-C3 kayana theorising with bros, and it'll be the best takeaway of this game for me. I think you put a great deal of thought and effort into running this and I liked the GM PM memes a lot

Thoughts when less tired myself, but thanks for GMing @|TJ| and congrats on winning, @Devotary of Spontaneity! Thanks especially to threadPMbro @Amanuensis and @Ashbringer (also Araris, Orlok, esp. in C3) for full-bore kayana thread theorising and discussion. It was fun, and the best part of the game for me

Thank you! Will edit in thoughts later or just in a new post - essentially I'm happy to let the raw reads people do reads, but I'm hoping that if we can work out the discrepancies against the action gaps, we may be able to PoE.

Given the knife had a 50% chance of killing you rather than 'just' removing Allomancy, why would the Invest (not that I know) want to double up on you and risk a wasted scan when you'd flip? That doesn't make much sense.

You called, I came. Archer, Karn

Rough Vote Analysis: Tired and not in the mood to do my usual in depth step by step analysis so I'm not going to. D1: D2: D3: Overall Thoughts: I think the conclusion is really that I need sleep. Edited to add: I'd be okay with more pressure on STINK or Karn or Araris at this juncture. But I do think that my evaluation on the need for an Archer flip hasn't quite changed.

My bet is on the knife. Bev'ika (M'Hael) agreed to target Archer with the knife. We don't see an attack and survival, therefore Archer won the 50% coinflip, Hael died, and my bet would be Knife backlash. Bort could not have passed the Hrovell as items cannot be passed, and looking at the OoA, the Hrovell is after the Knife/Steel on OoA, meaning that anyone who used the Hrovell had to: A ) first use it last Night, after the kills, and B ) use it on a player that some thought was Hal. Moreover, they'd have to use it after they died. If we think Bort lied about having the Hrovell, it still clearly had to be under Elim control and we haven't had an Elim death last Night. So either way you slice it, it's clearly a knife death. What's interesting and also a bother to work out is: A. Type of deaths - Steel, Stick, Drake (attack, not death) Probably just me, but all of these are odd shots. There are other just as Village read players to go after rather than Stick, seeing as killing Stick resolves the D1 CW for good. There's something concrete about having a flip compared to a good read. (She was light V for me.) Steel is definitely odd due to suspicion of Steel meaning he was a viable ML target - views on Steel were mixed in the playerbase. And I actually think Drake is a bad target on the assumption Drake is V because the moment Drake flips V, Archer is very dead. It's arguable Archer was very dead anyway, I suppose, and just wanted to take Drake down with him, but I don't know. It doesn't quite make sense to me. B. Number of deaths - Three, excluding Hael. To recap: no N1 kill, and two deaths on N2, and three on N3. This would typically require five steel vials. The Elims only should have three as it's C3. Here's a few possibilities I can see: They got their hands on 2x Nicrosil/Duralumin. One Elim could have spawned in with nicrosil or duralumin, or failing which, taken it off a kill or collected it successfully from the Stockpile. At a quick look, we have someone who claimed Nicrosil on N1 - the Stockpile began with two Nicrosils and ended with one. But - this is the Night Archer added +6 items to the stash, and it's unclear how many people really went for Nicrosil that Night. One option is that Ash went for Nicrosil on N1 as well, the D2 delta covered this, and then Ash died and the Nicrosil went to an Elim. That's another way of solving the 2x Nicrosil problem. The other publicly known Nicrosil claim was Mat, who lost the Nicrosil D3 due to a Chromium strike. As I have a moderate Village read on Mat by this point, and it matches with Bort's focus on obtaining Nicrosil, I'm considering this claim to be prima facie plausible. In this world, FYI, the knife kill failed but Archer should have lost all Allomancy. If he's Evil, it doesn't matter, because Striker ruled Evil players retain the ability to make a steel NK. I also double-checked with Striker to be very sure. In a world where a Nicroboosted Traitor uses two steel vials, they only get three, not four kills out of it. Bev'ika was targeted by Bendalloy, so the knife kill was redirected and hit one of <Steel, Drake, Stick.> In this world, Hael was hit by Bendalloy because he was known to have the knife, and to be quite likely to use it in case of a kill. Hitting Hael with Bendalloy would ensure a redirect, and from an Elim perspective, the odds favour them since Hael wouldn't hit his original target (even better if E!Archer as it was likely predictable Hael would go for Archer), and Elims are still the minority. Archer can't have been bendalloyed because another player targeted Archer successfully last Night. So if bendalloy was used, it had to have affected Bev'ika. Drake has claimed to have retained his Allomancy, so if we accept that at face value for the moment, the redirect had to have hit Steel or Stick. Steel is the odd one out here on the kill list, so I'm going to assume that Steel, rather than Stick was hit by the redirect. This points us to the pool of Araris and Steel - impossible for it to have been Steel as Steel flipped Village. However, Ash did have bendalloy, so this could have been taken from him when he died. Again, an Elim could have spawned in with Bendalloy, and/or taken it off an Ash kill. So that's a problem for us. The D2 delta continues to be an exceptionally pernicious problem. Someone started with steel and finally used it. This would read more like a Village vig, IMO. But this Elim team has a weird kill doctrine. Anyway, I'm going to be lazy and use JNV's delta analysis for now: Stick claimed to be using Iron and Chromium last Night, and it's credible to me. Bronze comes very low on the OoA and so I would bet Stick died with it and dropped it back into the Stockpile - huh. Wait. Okay, let's look at last known inventory. Steel had electrum and bendalloy. Stick had iron, chromium, and bronze. Iron and Chromium precede the kill, so no matter what, Stick would never have had those in inventory when she died. Hael had nothing except the knife, so would not have dropped anything. @Tani, how many items did the Attractor Fabrial add, could you tell us, please? My current read of the delta: prima facie, assuming nothing dropped, we have 10 items. That's clearly implausible, as JNV rightfully points out. But this means that since electrum is missing and Steel didn't claim any metal actions, I'm going to assume he didn't burn his electrum - yet it's missing. There's been no further painrials and I targeted Steel for confiscation last night and my action failed because Steel was already dead (I have thoughts about security officer confiscation being this insanely low on OoA), so I would say that Steel's killer took his electrum. So I re-read my PM with Bort and he claimed two vials to me. I don't really have any excuse for missing that, so w00ts. Here's the really funny thing. We have...two possibilities, on the assumption Tani added 8 items (which I think is reasonable given how kayana everything is at the moment.) I think one way or another, the lack of electrum means that Steel was killed, and his killer took the electrum. Which means Steel absolutely had to be NKed. Possibility A: Steel was NKed, Drake was NKed, Stick was hit by the Knife Redirect On this possibility, the killer takes electrum off Steel, and Hael takes bronze off Stick. But as Hael dies, the net difference is zero - the bronze goes back into the Stockpile, giving us two additional items. Possibility B: Steel was NKed, Drake was NKed, Stick was NKed, the Knife failed to kill Archer On this possibility, Steel basically had to have collected an extra vial from Bort's lynch, which could be anything along the lines of our additions: Tin, Iron, Bronze, Gold, Cadmium, Bendalloy, Aluminium. Steel dies, and the killer takes the electrum, and the extra bendalloy and second vial drops. This also requires the Elim team to have done a two Nicrosil/Duralumin situation overall to account for our two missing kills. If the Knife failed to kill Archer, then Archer has lost all Allomancy (if he's Evil, then he can still burn steel.) But this is just odd, because what happened to the Hrovell then? If Bort lied about having it, it must at least clearly be under Elim control. Possibility C: Steel was NKed, Stick was NKed, Drake was hit by the Knife Redirect This requires Drake to have lost all Allomancy. I feel like if he's lying about this, he'd probably have to be Evil. Leaning towards Village Drake right now, though. Also, this still requires Steel to have collected the extra vial since Stick's bronze would have gone to her killer. I think Possibility A makes the most sense now, but Steel and Drake are not the most intuitive NK targets, which is itself a problem. Interested in everyone's thoughts. P.S. Would like to collect the Shade Gun today and request Village do not contest it, if possible. Suggest someone takes the AF and uses it tonight for vial summoning. Anyway I've spent enough time trying to puzzle this out. I'm going to go chill and then redo vote analysis later. But Archer. Edited to add: Tbh we now have a delta of +11 items. At this point, I'm starting to wonder if we had a Metallurgist pull alongside the AF, because I really don't otherwise see how we get that volume of item drops. But if we did have a Metallurgist pull, then what? Postulate +12 with someone else having taken the AF last Night but a new one spawning for +5/+5, Stick drops bronze, Steel drops bendalloy? Request any AF taker just claim it. Request Tani clarify items added.

Waking up to Archer being alive and having agreed to have my oldest friend in the game go to his death was not really how I planned to spend my weekend, I'll be honest. I'll get a cuppa and look this over. Agree in principle with an Archer vote, want to diversify pressure, and to go back and look given the flips—for instance, we now know Stick was V/V with TUA for sure, which is helpful for D1 analysis.

Reads list problems suggesting convenience rather sincerity or evolution of thought process including CW on light Village read, refusal to vote Evil read, strange null culling and zero voting on them, suggesting light Village read is Evil Potential inconsistency over item fuzzing Refusal to engage in good faith over Drake (either Drake or Archer has to be lying at this point, take your pick) Anomalous response to Drake Distancing-type vote on Bort Thaid train initiator (+ doesn't map well to Bort attitude) Edited to add: Defense of Bort doesn't check out in terms of own posted reads and requires Drake to be extremely Evil I feel that it would have to be a very convincing singular data point to convince me to override everything wrong with Archer at this point. I'm not sure this is it. Edited to add 2: I'd do the Spongebob trash meme at this point but I'm too tired. Edited to add 3: I'm mostly done with the spreadsheet and dead inside and I just want sleep and have sent Hal what I can. Here's one way to square the Bort circle though it involves bracketing the N1-D2 unknown +3 delta problem: Based off known actions, the neatest way to resolve it (i.e. without postulating infinitely many vials at which point it becomes like quasi-particles) is to suppose Bort started with a vial and picked one up N2. If we Ockham's Razor it, then Bort hit Mat with chromium D3 after having picked it up N2 - it burns the vial and comes before the lynch, and is consistent with a previous action (using the painrial on Mat N2 to try to steal nicrosil.) Note: I mention the Mat incident because I think it illustrates something that should become public knowledge; that Elims are clearly targeting as well based on public item claims and that nicrosil was/is a priority of theirs. As the nicrosil has been destroyed, the point is kind of moot, so I think it's well worth warning people about this. I guess if Bort didn't start with it, another possibility is having killed Ash and gotten a vial off Ash - at least two of Ash's known vials come before the lynch in OoA as well (cadmium, bendalloy), so he could burn that too. And to be clear, Bort had to have burned everything, or we fall short of the threshold required for a Metallurgist to be plausible. Cadmium or copper are the most plausible if we think he picked it up N2 - almost every other metal has been locked down and accounted for, unless we speculate about the N1-D2 delta. But that shouldn't matter either, because Bort claimed to have gotten the painrial N1, and certainly, other players who tried to get the painrial claimed they were unsuccessful.

I have to say that while going back through the thread to try to populate the spreadsheet (do not recommend, do not do this when tired in a complex game it's annoying af), I noticed Steel actually got onto an Archer push on D2 and called Archer out for the Thaid D2 vote. Does look a bit better to me on account of that, but I think that has to wait for an Archer flip or whatever decision is made tomorrow.

TJ and I were discussing - we think it'd be more likely to be a hostile Metallurgist at this point, because they've been pointedly adding during the Day (recall we had a D1 drop as well.) It's easier to attribute both to the same player, but we're of the mind a Day drop looks more hostile because it immediately allows Night collection of items with zero accountability - imagine if steel had dropped at Night!

I don't think it's so straightforward because we've got the D2 problem in a nutshell. Basically, Archer used the AF N1 and so on D2, we're supposed to see a delta of +6, but the visible delta is +3. Since item grabs at night are not announced, we don't know where the masked delta is. Yes, we can infer it must be on pre-existing items but that's everything not Cadmium and something else, basically. I'll check my spreadsheet later. Either way, rejecting this because there's only one known loose Bronze and I Village read that player, so yes, we'll chalk this down to a potentially hostile Metallurgist, probably the same as the one who did the D1 pull.

Thanks, but would disagree with this one. Item flow is more important - it allows the Village to carry out actions, block Elims, and gain info. Someone should claim it and use it - I'm happy to keep my Shade Gun and Painrial monopoly, and I'm almost done with my item collection side-quest anyway. Pretty sure I'll finish before we find all the Traitors The really difficult win con is staying alive, but I'm chill about it now. If I die, I die. It's been a fun ride After all, Kases were not meant to stay safe and alive. They were meant to burn and die >>

/shrug I promised Hal to keep silent until the scans were revealed. This meant making sure Bort didn't know he'd been scanned and that a Great Train would eventually materialise when Hal found whoever - which now seems to have been Araris. I also promised Bort not to out him, freely and without inducement, because to do otherwise was dishonourable and unfair. This included aggressively pushing him, so I didn't do that. It was a bit of an insane needle to thread, I admit, trying to keep both letter and spirit of my word to both parties. This led to a lot of GM PM yelling but this is more or less the sum of it. Edited to add: @|TJ| Ah no I'm tripping - this cannot be like D2 as the delta is declared. D2 delta came out of a Night Turn so delta masking occurs there, but not here.

I should note that the timestamp of that vote (I was paying attention) came after I agreed to withdraw my vote from Bort unless (until) the Great Train materialised. Which means anyone teammates with Bort would likely know it was really 2-2 because I was going to pull my vote off. Not saying this doesn't necessarily make JNV look Village - I'm still thinking through on that - but probably I wouldn't give as high Village credence for the move, I suppose.

Idea was for him to offload his vials to his teammates and let me take the Hrovell from him. To be clear, I did not go for it as I knew he had been scanned and in any case didn't want to open that can of worms - so I merely agreed not to vote on him unless a train materialised (which I knew was going to happen once Hal found someone else) and that I was not going to out him anyway because it was dishonourable, unfair, and unsporting. Edited to add: @|TJ| - I'm halfway through the spreadsheet now and I've just realised. What if it's both? A Metallurgist uses their actions and Bort drops a couple of items (2-3.) This should mask the delta - this is what happened D2 and is driving me nuts because we have a visible delta of +2 but Archer claims to have added six items so we have a hidden delta of +4 that's hard to account for.

I feel sad when I've been doing my best but don't merit inclusion here Even if I understand why. @StrikerEZ, @Experience, @Devotary of Spontaneity - Is it possible to request that the Stockpile numbers be correctly updated in each Day/Night writeup? I notice the D2 write-up is still lacking the 1 Duralumin Vial which caused me some confusion until I went back through the posts to note Experience mentioning it had been left out by mistake. Thank you! H'okay. I have culled things and am still working on the spreadsheet. As far as I'm concerned, there are two main theories: Theory A: Bort burned everything, and a Metallurgist/AF added five items: In this world, Bort pretty much has to have had the bolded metals, and even so, this doesn't tally with his known actions anyway. So we still have book-keeping to do. Simply because anything else would come after the lynch. Theory B: Bort did not burn everything, and the items that dropped are from Bort. As long as Bort dropped even one item that wasn't the Hrovell, the Metallurgist/AF theory is automatically false because the minimum number of items is 5. Either way, I think it's worth attempting to run some contact tracing, so I am doing up the spreadsheet at this point in time to check.

I'm still strongly doubting that result because Bort explicitly outed himself to me D3 to appeal to me to change my vote on him early on - part of the reason was the logistics of passing the vials. I do believe that he had no incentive to do otherwise if not because he had items that he wanted to pass on. He clearly claimed actions, and referenced vials he wanted to pass. If he has multiple items, and he explicitly claimed the Hrovell and wanted to make a deal with me for it, this explains why he was so urgent about wanting to survive - he realised that being able to only pass one vial at a time posed a problem for him. Edited to add: Just to be clear, I agreed to be silent about his alignment because I did not feel it was honourable to out an outed Elim like this to the thread - it's one thing to discover one via analysis or a scan, and another to just be told their identity and to out them. If I had been pulling a kel play, this would be a different matter and I'd be down for it but I don't find it fair or sporting. However, the result was that since I'd also been contacted by Hal, I requested Hal find another player. I'm aware of a Metallurgist, and they have so far claimed to have done nothing. Your theory seems to require this be a deliberate bus, along with the use of an E!Metallurgist, or E!Fabrial - all fabrials so far have been claimed by Archer and are accounted for.

I agree with this assessment. I'm not too bothered by my hardened suspicions on Archer - at this point, I frankly think that barring any seriously game-changing information, Archer looks pretty Evil to me. I had been bothered by Bort's willingness to self-pres on Archer but not vice versa, and the aggressiveness of Archer's defense of Bort, which gave me D3-D4 AG8 flashbacks to Aman defending Szeth, but I think that's neatly resolved by discovering just how many items Bort had on him. This likely required a substantial action investment on the part of the Elim team so it's no wonder that they weren't keen to lose Bort this soon. This also makes me feel better - and I'm just going to say this publicly because I am apparently the security officer and therefore dgaf - about downgrading E!Invest gambit probabilities. To spell it out, Hal is very likely V on either analysis: E!Hal doesn't need to tie themselves to an E!Invest, since E!Hal already knows alignments, and would prefer to get credit by approaching the thread directly rather than via Araris (of all people ). E!Invest trying a Burnt the Kandra gambit for Village credit has no reason to pick an intermediary - they'd pick a Villager. If Archer flips E, this increases V!Invest credences still further, given the aggressiveness of the Bort defense. But looking at how many items Bort died with, it strikes me as unlikely this was a gambit, given the substantial items and actions investment into Bort that the Elims were not going to recoup. So I'm comfortable with high V!Invest credences at the moment.

Let's try to account for the Bort-related delta: First, we know this can't be a Metallurgist action. Metallurgists add between 5-8 items at a time. For the same reason, I'd bet this is not an AF action either. Second, we know that one of Bort's inventory goes to those who voted on him. The rest go to the Stockpile. I have reason to believe the missing item is the Hrovell. Third, we know that non-vial items can't be passed. If Archer was at any point recorded as taking an AF, the AF can't go from Archer to Bort. So, let's take a look: I've deleted everything else. These are the Bort-centric deltas. Immediately, we notice something wrong: Bort was recorded as making a successful copper grab D1. With four items here, this entails that it can't be that Bort grabbed everything here. What we want to work out is if items were passed from teammates, and if so, if there's a way to trace who some likely teammates of Bort might be. Here are Bort's publicly recorded item grabs: Bort claimed to Stick to have burned the copper vial D2. Bort also claimed to have grabbed a painrial N1 (cf. Illegal Painrial #2), and to have used it N2 to steal the Hrovell. So if we enrich the grabs further: How do we work out what was taken N2? Well, let's look at JNV's (thanks @JNV!) D3 delta. This requires us to go into a bit of an aside: I think we can say with reasonably high confidence Aman died with nothing, therefore nothing went to his killer and to the Stockpile. It's a bit more tricky with Ash, because Ash grabbed bendalloy D2 and cadmium D1. On the assumption that Ash hasn't been burning anything (possible, in that he had plans and might not have wanted to act so early), minimally, we should be seeing one of cadmium or one of bendalloy in the delta. Funny enough, we see both. Which is also consistent with Ash potentially succeeding a Night grab. Either way, this I think indicates that Archer has potentially fuzzed the delta here since he specifically claimed that eight items were added. Is this an assumption? Absolutely. But I think it's a reasonable assessment of Ash's character, and a reasonable possibility to examine since D3 has not looked very good on Archer. This would imply Archer covering for the kill items. But an Elim cannot grab an item that wasn't present in the Stockpile N2. This means that if Bort did put in an order, he likely had chromium. (I base this on the lack of copper in the results and the knowledge that a player was hit by chromium though I am still confirming the timeline.) [Edited to add 2: Yes - the player was hit by chromium D3, so it's plausible that Bort grabbed it N2 and used it to leech the player - it's consistent with his known N2 action as well.] This means that we have four items in Bort's inventory, all of which cannot be explained by public or private grabs! One possibility is that Ash managed to grab tin one Night. Another is that we are looking at a situation where Bort may have spawned in with the AF, but his teammates have clearly been passing vials to him - but you can't both pass vials and take from the Stockpile, which means that things look a bit better for players who have had consistent Stockpile grabs. Actually, given that items can't be passed, I'm guessing that Bort spawned in with the AF. I don't see any missing AF in the delta. Thanks, but it's fine Village needs AFs more, so I'm considering them off-limits and won't touch them. Edited to add: FYI, if Archer has indeed been fuzzing the delta, this looks better on @Karnatheon for pointing out that we need to account for Ash's and Aman's inventories!

Ni su'cuyi, gar kyr'adyc, ni partayli, gar darasuum, Aman'ika, Ash'ika, ner vode. Oya Manda! Gar aruetii, al'gar Bort'ad. Aaray. Alright, let's try to work out the delta from here: D3: N3: Delta: @StrikerEZ - Possible to confirm the second AF is meant to be there? @Tani - Would recommend using the AF now at Night; this way if steel or any hot commodities are added, we can track and gain accountability in the Day. Bort seems to have been carrying a lot of items and this would explain the situation. I'm also forced to point out that this means we have a Hrovell on the loose among the fifteen people who voted for Bort Edited to add: Privately suspect that there's some inaccuracies likely due to in-team passing between Traitors because the current delta attributed to Bort would suggest Bort had made a successful grab every Turn, which is a bit odd. I'll go back and check against the delta listings at some point.

Wilson's parenting method didn't work so hot either in LG12 >:( I felt you just needed time to find your own path in life! You were supposed to bring balance to the Survivor, not leave it in Darkness!

Basically yes - a number of players have apparently been asking Drake questions about his reads and what the gambit was about. I don't really buy Archer's claim that Drake hasn't been forthcoming, since I have PMs with pretty much every player in the game (well, I think? May have forgotten one or two people, RIP, I'm not organised this time - if I've missed you out LMK and I'll send you one) I think I should have a decent sensing of how true that is. I don't see why Drake has a reason to be evasive about it to Archer specifically, but not to everyone else. Stick has already sounded off. I should note a lot of Archer's arguments at this point - even excluding the nonsense on stilts that's his reads list - hinge on Drake being fundamentally dishonest, evasive, and Evil, so I do think that's something that can be settled just by comparing player interactions. RIP Araris, I'm so glad you're living the spokesman life now Did not miss my stint at it!

It seems my son is Evil. Bort, how could you Clearly I should never have gone out for that pack of cigarettes. Archer, but in my view, if Bort flips Evil, this looks exceptionally damning on Archer, on top of all the issues I've already been pointing out. And to be clear, Archer, no, you don't get to say Drake dodged the question - I'm happy to ask here: everyone, how many of you have asked Drake some question about what's been going on? Has @DrakeMarshall answered you? Yes or no? Because Drake also stated that he sent Archer the requested PM, and Archer asked nothing at all. This is a blatant lie. Edited to add: To sharpen the point, it's extremely problematic if a neutral is more interested in Drake's play than a supposed Villager!

Anytime, Tani >> I'm sure you remember how much Hreo and Tulir yelled at me and Wyrm for the Switch But no, yelled at by my players for enforcing this