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  1. Kasimir
    Uh. Ash. Did Cash cash out or something? :eyes: Also: Alv loves this D1.
  2. Kasimir
    You're officially Alv's favourite person right now
  3. Kasimir
    Could he even have compounded gold with his metalminds that drained? On a meta-level, I assumed that was the point of the repeated fights with Dumad and the false Wayne - it was to give us a coherent reason Wayne's goldminds were more or less completely tapped out by the end, so there wasn't anything much left he could do. Do we know how dirty a harmonium bomb is? Would Wayne also have to contend with radiation sickness?
  4. Kasimir
    Fantastic! Glad to have you on board
  5. Kasimir
    So I don't get more pizza if I can get more people to vote for me? Thank you for the pizza anyway! Edited to add: Oh, wonderful, found Alv's suspicions, sorry Alv I take that back Alv, would like to know if your views have shifted with the Wiz/Alv E/E theory?
  6. Kasimir
    Excellent >:) IDK, a three way wagon be like that. I do wonder about them burning vote manip but the fact that it costs Stormlight in this game makes me wonder if they'd do it, though tbf, I suppose it could become a more attractive proposition given the current state of the wagons. But also, realistically, EoD is at 8PM for Alv and 3PM for me so there will be a tie, simpliciter Edited to add: Like, if anything, I'd say I'd be more worried the Elims wouldn't feel threatened by a super wagon. If we've got a decent spread, there are decent chances at least one player in the danger zone or in the three way is Elim. I just know who it ain't! Edited to add 2: In retrospect, re-reading through the thread, my hackles are rising at this post. Archer's vote on Wiz is incredibly stable - it came there and stayed there for "the sin of random voting", which fair, but that's an opening vote. I can't find a post from Alv in which he susses Archer for Wiz - quite frankly, I'd be happy to find a single post with suspicions from Alv. It's just not there. Archer feels like he's looking for a quick reason to justify a vote that he wants to stay put. Am more willing to commit to E!Archer at this juncture. Here are the two moments that 'might' qualify as Alv sussing Archer: (1) They're clashing over random voting being a sin. That's a methodological squabble and not one in which Archer is named as a suspicion. Post linked for reference. (2) This isn't even remotely a defence of Wiz either. How the frith does that Alv/Wiz e/e theory have legs? This is Alv responding to Archer's claims on TUN (first), Xino (second), and Wiz (third.) @Matrim's Dice, I'd like to know your opinion on Archer's Wiz vote, and if you'd potentially consider an E!Archer world, given your current views on my position on Wiz.
  7. Kasimir
    Yes, I'll sign you up then?
  8. Kasimir
    I would be sorry but the Sacred Coin and I are going through a rough patch right now, I hope you'll understand, Sarge It's not her, it's me. FTFY I knew you'd see it my way! Whyever not? This is an odd response as this is well within your control at face value. I'm not the one who is discontent with the state of things - you are. Yep. This. Yes, but you see, I am perfectly fine with how things are proceeding. And also, the defining thing about me in SE is that when I'm bought, I stay bought :eyes: My loyalties wouldn't be very attractive otherwise; I'm not reneging on my deal with Szeth. Also do you know how long I haven't had pizza? Two years. Two mcfreakin' years. Szeth's offer is too good to refuse! Let's make a bet - if I flip Elim, I make you memes in the dead doc. One meme per Turn, featuring you. If I flip Village, you give me quokka with pizza photo to put in the dead doc. How about that? :eyes: If someone else flips because RNGesus be like that, we both make a quokka meme for the next three Turns. You on? Hi hi sick buddy, I just got back from the clinic and I feel your pain So the current state of my reads - I'm still fine with V!Illwei, and I'm decently committed to V!Mat. I don't see E!Mat being committed enough to slugging it out this consistently, so that's fine with me. I am probably going to relook Archer and Stick - I'm not sure how I feel about Stick, and I don't know where Archer's Wiz/Alv theory comes from. Going to backread really quickly in a bit. I sort of want to say I lean towards V!Alv but in truth, I just really want Alv to be V, and I do know E!Alv would have that same exchange with me, so YMMV. Very, very slight V!Szeth credences, potentially. Doesn't feel like the sort of solicitation E!Szeth would do, but this is also Szeth, and let's be fair, I'm doing most of the marketing for Szeth which is really unfair and actually @Ookla the Omniscient do I get a pizza commission from you if I can summon more people onto this wagon? One extra pizza per player? I was very slightly V-reading Tani before she showed up for meta reasons. I lean somewhat towards keeping it, but am not sure but that is an issue for another Turn/cycle. I think Insanity should definitely attract some pressure next cycle for that very stable vote on Mat, and Silho should as well. Am less sure about Turtle now for reasons highlighted above. Feels a bit like showboating. Wiz is probably still a null- for me and if it wasn't for my commitment to enjoying pizza I might just take Shadow's advice cf. not overthinking and just going for obvious Evil and go Bookwyrm. Incidentally, yes Mat, theoretically there are LHFs everywhere on D1 but Bookwyrm is the equivalent of Thaid for me, that's how awful that train feels. And of course, if I do flip, just take this as a sort of 'where I am at/what I would do' bunch of claims. Ultimately I'm okay with this
  9. Kasimir
    @Alvron One notes an adherent of the Gods of Luck and Chance could, I believe, increase the size of the tie by joining the pizza train :eyes: Edited to add: It just feels fundamentally dishonest, like I'm cheating Szeth by doing so. I gave my sacred oath, I am remaining.
  10. Kasimir
    Do you get the pizza if you unvote though. That's like cheating Szeth of his vote incentive :eyes:
  11. Kasimir
    Thank you. You have my sacred oath I will stay on this train for delicious, delicious pizza.
  12. Kasimir
    Wait. Free pizza? Sorry @Alvron, Sacred Coin doesn't matter. Alv, Kas Gimme.
  13. Kasimir
    I think it was worth it for me as it's given me a stronger belief in V!Mat, which at least tells me there is one train I am avoiding. Edited to add: Then you should vote for me and talk people into joining you
  14. Kasimir
    To sharpen the point: it's like every single time I say, "and yes, is that plausible?" your response is "well, it's possible." I explicitly said so here, which you now read and reconstruct somehow as my sussing you for disagreeing with me, when all I'm asking is you make a single plausibility or likelihood judgement rather than just shrugging and saying "yes but it's possible though there's totally more than one reason." (1) I explicitly suggest you could be V!Mat. Somehow, you're construing this as my denying the possibility you are Village entirely. (2) I explicitly say that your focus on exploding possibilities without bothering to think about likelihood, evidenced in how you keep saying "but you could" doesn't seem to come from a Village perspective to me, but to be employing FUD. Edited to add: "But you could" reads like it comes from a mindset where you're not interested in constructing a coherent picture, but are so invested on keeping your E!me theory that you are basically requiring that it only be possible that I am Evil, which, no crem Sherlock, as long as I'm not the Shaman (no confirmation nor denial), it is definitely possible. The whole point of asking about plausibility is to make a SAN check. I don't see how you get from this to "Well, it's not fair to me that you think I'm Evil for not agreeing with you that there's more than one reason for you to vote Wiz." I have never denied there are other potential reasons: my point is that they are unlikely reasons. Your response has been, "I don't care, they still are reasons."
  15. Kasimir
    Edited to add: I know, I miss him too Edited to add 2: Gut for both?
  16. Kasimir
    I'm also happy to agree it's a character flaw, and probably one unbecoming of a SE player and another reason I dislike playing Evil
  17. Kasimir
    Didn't you take that off your list? I'd be willing to work something out, but Wyrm's my Dulabro and I can't abandon my bro like this. And Wyrm has definitely put the SE chapter of his life behind him where playing and GMing is concerned, unfortunately. He's made it clear he's not interested in the LG100 benchmark, alas Edited to add: But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what you are trying to do is to explode possibilities without caring about plausibility. I'm saying that to me is an Elim move, just like how E!you fed on FUD and pushing E!Araris and E!Danex crack when really, the E!Danex world was so small it should never realistically have been in play at all. And I think that is a fair statement to make. At the same time, I don't see E!you fixating this hard when you have other tacks, so that's bringing me back around again to V!you. We could also say we are underestimating how much I'd be willing to bus a teammate who does something foolish, or overestimating how willing I am defend them. Again, you can assert Bookwyrm will Bookwyrm. I don't deny this. But Bookwyrm playing the way he has been would have to be Bookwyrm ignoring the very first piece of advice I would drop in that doc, from having seen him play in QF63. I'm not a very nice person when Evil, yes, I'm willing to admit.
  18. Kasimir
    I point out that Bookwyrm is a LHF train again. Do you disagree? Do you think that Bookwyrm opportunistically voting was not sus as all hell? Do you deny that this was exactly what got him attention in QF63? My very first line in the Elim doc would be to advise Bookwyrm to do exactly what Araris and I caution in our Elim doctrine: stay low, don't be flashy, pick a train and stick to it. Perhaps you will point out this is mayoring and Bookwyrm could tell me to get lost; very well, I don't have a response to that, except to note that I generally phrase my thoughts in a stronger manner when I believe a teammate is a loose cannon who is going to cause trouble. Except again, what is the incentive here? Didn't want to hang around on a low poster all alone? What's wrong with that? You are now offering speculations without even being able to make a plausibility assessment of why E!Kas would find those possibilities attractive, and I honestly think you are either Mat tunnelling or Evil, because you are not bothering to make a single likelihood assessment and are entirely focused on throwing possibilities. Want a presence on a main train? If so, why didn't I check the train numbers? Everyone knows a train that gathers speed too fast looks wrong. Let me return this question to you: you don't like the Wiz train. You don't like the Alv train. Is there a single train who isn't Bookwyrm that you would currently support, and if so, which is it, and if not, why the hell are your suspicions so narrow?
  19. Kasimir
    So why does E!me decide to be the fourth voter on a three vote Wiz train in your theory that it's reasons-shopping, when I could stay on Chantara without worry? What is so essential about a Wiz ML I have to force it through, and this early? If your theory is that I was trying to save Bookwyrm, why does E!me sit back and be okay with Bookwyrm doing the same sus things, knowing how early he got himself caught in QF63? It could very well be circumstance-related. I am not fully sure if it is, but this is also D1, and I don't think there's an objection to applying pressure to Wiz on the basis of something he has shown as a Villager being absent here. You yourself can be criticised for going after a LHF train. This would probably be more blameworthy if I'd final-voted him on this basis, but you of all people should know I don't final vote this early. Edited to add: I reiterate that QF63 V!me and LG90 V!me both expressed the view that the respective Elim teams would, if present, provide better tactical support to how their newer members engaged with the thread. I think this should be very revealing of how E!me would react to this situation, especially since that's the assumption I work with that most of this thread does not share.
  20. Kasimir
    One further point I could say I suppose: on my actual re-readthrough (also captured in the long post), I gave Wiz a small chunk of Village credit for forgetting vote manip. It's one ability I don't see an Elim being as ready to forget, especially with how much Wiz was up to date with the rules in QF63 and the BT. I don't like to derpclear, but it also put him ahead of Alv on my calculus in terms of who I'd prefer not to vote on. I actually like this a bit. I feel it's a slip a Villager is more likely to make than an Elim. Here. @Araris Valerian - Current thoughts on Bookwyrm?
  21. Kasimir
    Welcome back, Scar! I don't recall if we overlapped too often in play periods but your AG3 RP is the stuff of legend!
  22. Kasimir
    Yeah. I'm trying to do the same here. Hopefully succeeding.
  23. Kasimir
    Turns out I now burn through sedatives so fast I just woke up five hours after a double dose. Whoops. Hmm. Not wrong. Possible, but no way to ascribe a probability to it IMO. But what's more important is I can see it coming from both E! and V!Araris, and I think Araris did mention an aggravating factor previously that currently puts me in mind of AG8 - family stuff, in the sign-up thread. Recall he had some early AG8 weirdness but no mix-up so I am not fully confident of this but could see this factoring in. No real opinion on Araris atm on my part. Have you seen her run thread control as an Elim? I never have. I guess there was LG74 but that doesn't feel relevant here, and that was more clashing with people than thread control. Her style has also evolved since. Still feeling alright with leaning V!Illwei for engagement at the moment. Yep. Mostly meta reasons for this. Again, I can link you to posts on this in past SE games but one of the reasons we used to have a player retention problem was sussing players for changing playstyles. I also sort of tasted that before because I got sussed for not retaining my Elim playstyle as a Villager (this was 2014, ages ago, I was learning how to play Village...) so I can understand where it is annoying. I think it's a fine line to walk, but also remember Lotus feeling nervous about changing her playstyle to something she wanted to try. Wilson also got badly bitten by it when trying to switch to a less analytical playstyle and one more fun for her. Think it's part of keeping the SE community a good place to be in For instance, check out this conversation between Mist and Alv here: This is something I am happy to stand my ground on regardless of alignment. To recap what I've said, I think it's different from a tell, and I think that deliberately being obscure and unhelpful with your playstyle can be more alignment indicative. What you really want here is to be able to make a judgement on whether the player is working in good faith, e.g. LG84 Baker, who despite committing to only making posts with photos of baked goods inside, still managed to convey information by quoting and by voting. (He also later dropped that within the faction doc with Tani.) The other example if you read Alv's post was Zunn the Mad, where Alv explicitly IDed what he didn't like about Steel while staying in character. (Can't remember if Steel was Evil - I just remember it's the E!Orlok game with a double WGG.) I actually didn't. If you followed my commentary, I stated that that's par for the course for Alv and I didn't feel anything off...Ah. Bad phrasing. One sec. I just felt it was a null for me - I could see V!Alv and E!Alv both doing it and it was within normal Alv parameters. Alv takes his kill lists seriously, and I recall him going for - I think Hael's head? There was a headhunt for that? And parts from other players, so I didn't see it as being an outlier and anything that'd cry for a read for. What shifted the needle for me a bit was re-reading the brace of I think six games: QF27 (well, the Zunn one he linked), LG86, LG90, LG73 (admittedly an outlier and one I didn't ascribe too much weight to), LG78, and MR51. In general, I felt that you could see V!Alvron engaging despite the limitations of his playstyle. I also didn't like Archer trying to clear Alv for doing something that both E and V Alv would do, and Alv allowing it through. I felt V!Alv was more likely to flag that, which was the point of me linking to that LG90 post where he explicitly tells Mat not to derpclear him. That's really more or less it for me. I did flip the coin, just for the heck of it, because Alv is a prophet of the Gods of Luck and Chance, and the coin said to move to Alv, so I decided it was fate and just did it. @Matrim's Dice - I've spelled it out explicitly here since I see you ninjaed me. Should note E!me doesn't take Alv out C1. I don't do that to the guy who taught me how to Elim and my first SE teammate. ...I am not sure I feel okay with voting Alv D1 either, honestly and I go back and forth on this one. But I will be the first to acknowledge that would be purely based off my regard and respect for Alv. Fair enough. This is odd to me as I've explicitly spelled out in this post my reasons for going onto Wiz. I understand it is a long post, but if you don't read the post, it is no surprise you want to say that the progression is odd and there is no reason for going after Wiz. To be very clear, I think the engagement difference is a Village tell for Wiz. I don't feel good about Wiz when it's not there. This does feel like shopping for an easy sus on Mat's part, to be honest. Honestly, I don't know if I can. But LG89 was an especial low for me, and I think it is important to me to try to be fair to you. You saw that get mentioned in the LG90 dead doc, and it came out a bit in my being determined to not overthink you and ascribe normal Village reads to you in LG90. It is still possible we will brawl eventually in this game. But I honestly signed up with just one goal which is to not pick another fight with you. I don't think it is healthy for SE if any game in which we are both playing has a decent chance of turning into a heated threadbrawl and require IM intervention eventually. There's also other factors, which is that I think I have a better understanding of why I react negatively when we brawl now. This should keep me from escalating things, but we'll see. It's not really something for thread consumption, as I think it is something more suited to privacy, but I will be happy to mention more of it when either of us is dead if that's something you feel needs explanation. I am going to see if there is anything I missed due to the multiple ninjas. Edited to add: Then the Archives are incomplete.
  24. Kasimir
    Is this a good time to claim Truthless? I have forgotten the face of my father :|
  25. Kasimir
    Ask Szeth why I'm gonna quote you and you and then say I voted Wiz without checking the vc, largely because I wasn't a fan of how different his engagement felt from QF63, and to put some pressure until I could do a proper readthrough and consolidate my thoughts. Edited: Yes and no. E!me would hard commit to the threadbrawl. Standard calculus - well, less pronounced in this game. Let's put it this way: on the supposition E!me thinks it needs to be explained that Mat and I are somehow still both alive, and that a threadbrawl is called for (which if you'll recall, tends to be the calculus that triggers my threadbrawling), then I wouldn't back off on Mat or seek your views. I'd just lay into him and the two of us would keep pushing. There's no reason not to, as long as we don't overtake the rest of the thread. I think the reactiveness point I made - I guess to say more, I don't read it purely as a function of whether you attack players or not, cf. the cases and read place where Illwei is coming from. I read it as a function of whether you are setting the tempo or responding to the tempo, at what points do you step back, at what points do you drive. It's possible to post about your suspicions and still not set the thread tempo, is the thing. Players like Mat when Village are powerfully inclined to set the tempo, and when he flags on that, I tend to question it. So I'm less interested in the exact content and more the nature of how you engage with the thread and stand in relation to it. Edited to add 2: I guess to make the point a little more sharply: there's just no functional reason to ask you or Illwei for your takes if I wasn't interested if I was overanchoring when reading Mat. E!me doesn't get a ML on Mat that way, and there's a point to be made about how you shouldn't be soliciting views as Village, which E!me would be aware of. The only thing is that I don't really give a flying frith about that or Illwei's views on Villagers not caring about being wrong. To me, if you've been aggressively and badly wrong about players in the last two games, and you know you have a history of doing it via fixating on the One Thing they did that nags you out of context, then you either ask yourself good hard questions about whether you are also making the same mistake here and now while this is still relevant to you, or you just shrug and accept that you are going to screw the pooh because you don't actually give a damn about fixing your error rate and improving your algorithm. Mistakes mean MLing a Villager and 60%ing your ML quiz. This is Asia, we don't do that here.
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