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While holding stormlight you would not need to breathe to begin with. She could soulcast additional air if required, and transportation is instantaneous so I do not see how Kaladin could deprive an area around Jasnah of oxygen fast enough to create that kind of effect prior to her teleporting away. I understand this thread has gotten rather long, but please go back and read the prior posts, this has been covered already. There is a WoB that says it is difficult to transform aluminum into something else, but not transforming something else into aluminum. That Word of Brandon is concerning changing aluminum into something else not changing something else into aluminum. Hopefully that clarified things. And as I pointed out in a prior post, if you increase everyone's capabilities equally then for all intents and purposes, they act as they were before. If you could lift 10 pounds before, and I could lift 15 pounds before, and we do the same exact exercise, and diet plan that results in us both being able to lift 10 more pounds than before resulting in you lifting 20 points and I lifting 25 pounds, then the difference is still the same. And what does that have to do with measuring use of stormlight? Ease or not, in that case the point I was making was that Kaladin burned through his stormlight without consideration, while Jasnah was more reserved which would support how they would use their stormlight in a battle. Please re-read my posts. The purpose was not to specifically calculate how much was used. The purpose was to illustrate the manner it was used in. And based on the information we can derive such conclusions. The conclusions I am coming to does not rely on the perpendicularity because all parties involved are receiving the same benefit. Hopefully you will take time to read through the thread and that will clarify matters.

If you would refer to a prior post of mine, what happened when Dalinar brought the realms together, three things occured: 1. all current radiants got a ton of stormlight 2. the gemstones got infused 3. the realms being closer together makes surgebinding easier for all parties Then it stopped. The realms started to drift apart so the surgebinding being easier remained but got less and less over time. There was not a continual infusing of stormlight. Basically it is like filling your car with gas to the brim, and then being given a tank of gas to put in the trunk. Once the car runs out, then you can draw on the tank of gas in the trunk, but once that is used you are still out of gas. Which is exactly what happens to Shallan and Kaladin. So star or not, it still runs out. Kaladin would need a way to keep Jasnah bound and unable to escape while cutting off her oxygen supply, which I have no idea how he would accomplish that when she can soulcast and teleport. Conversely soulcasting an aluminum box around him would prevent him from flying away, or using any of his surges, as well as keep him trapped long enough to run out of stormlight and then he suffocate and die. So although I would imagine you are right that he could attempt to asphyxiate her, I am unsure how he would make it "stick". Wouldn't that end up taking all of Kaladin's potential stormlight resource while Jasnah would just have to teleport away to avoid it? We have seen the creation of mini "black holes" in the three books so far. It takes constant touch, and a whole lot of stormlight to pull objects in flight. To create the mass effect effect (lol), I think Kaladin would far exhaust his stormlight before even coming close. transportation I got no clue but I can't wait to find out! What she did to the three guys by throwing one into another into another was super epic! and that was before the perpendicularity. As long as the soulcaster understands what they are soulcasting and can get the concept across to his or her spren, they can soulcast it. There are WoB discussing about soulcasting plutonium and so on.

But with all due respect that seems counter intuitive to me in the situation Kaladin is in. If he blazed through his stormlight, then that would mean he wouldn't last as long, which would leave Dalinar vulnerable to the enemy and there would be nothing Kaladin could do about it. Conversely if he conserved his stormlight while fighting them, it would give Dalinar more time to finish what he was doing, and also give more time for reinforcements to arrive. So I think based on the book, Kaladin wanted to outlast the fused, but still ended up going through his stormlight too fast without realizing it. But I have no problem agreeing to disagree regarding this point. If from your perspective Kaladin would want to burn through his stormlight quickly, then that rationale would still apply to the fight with Jasnah, which would still result in her outlasting him instead of the other way around. At least that is my reading of it. As an aside, regarding my "research", I have not had as much time as I would like to go over Jasnah and Shallan, nor been able to finish Kaladin yet. So I decided to post what I have so far. This goes from Kaladin leaving Dalinar to engage Amaram, till Kaladin first notices how much stormlight he has gone through. I have listed every use, and every wound to hopefully give us a fuller picture. Oathbringer page 1145 Kaladin lashes himself up into the air. Oathbringer page 1155 Kaladin is using stormlight to make himself lighter while fighting Amaram. Then he lashes himself into the air to get away from Amaram. Then lashes himself to the side to chase after the fused. Lashed himself backwards to dodge an arrow from Amaram. Kaladin is then described as zipping away so that implies to me he used additional lashings. Then he lashed himself into a dive. Oathbringer page 1161 Kaladin's feet get trapped by Amaram. Amaram then hits Kaladin on his Syl shield causing Kaladin to get knocked back and snap his ankles. Kaladin pulls his feet out of his boots, and then lashes himself backwards while he heals. While moving backwards he scoops up a large stone, and applies "several" lashes to it. I quote "several" because that is the specific word used. According to the dictionary several denotes from at least 2, but not many, so if acceptable to all present, I would say a range of 2 to 5? The stone flies and cracks the fused in the head, causing it to cry out in pain and pull back. So a large rock, lashed 2 to 5 times, flew with enough force at a surprised fused's head to cause it pain but did not knock it unconscious, nor cause its skull to explode. The description also does not state it was a glancing blow, so the large stone hit the fused head square on. Kaladin then does that again to another rock to hit Amaram's horse to get it to run away. He then lashes himself up a few inches so he would not be trapped by the cohesion trick again. Then he lashed himself backwards. Kaladin is smacked by a club from a fused (in the shoulder and ribs) sending him flying. He then lashes himself up and forward opposite his trajectory to slow his landing while he heals. Oathbringer page 1173 Kaladin makes a shield with Syl but when whacked by the club again it sends him flying towards the remains of a wall. He then lashes himself up while he heals and looks around realizing how much stormlight he has drained from the area. He remarks to himself "had he really used so much?". It is enough that the area he is fighting in has gone dark and shadowed. He dives down to the cohesion fused, and let's it run him through, then lashes it up and away. Literally right after realizing he used up so much stormlight, he purposefully lets the fused run him through so he would have the chance to lash it up and away. He then in his words gets a little more stormlight from some gems it seems he forgot, and then lashes himself up into the air and then towards Amaram. There is still more to the combat but at this point we have Kaladin having used roughly 18 lashes, and having healed from two broken ankles, broken ribs, and a broken shoulder. That drained almost all the stormlight in his area.

Is this another typo? I am confused again. In your prior post you said Kaladin would want to use his powers in strong bursts. I mentioned (what turns out to be the same scene you are referring to), that Kaladin reasoned he would need to make his stormlight last to keep the fused distracted. That he couldn't focus on any of them in particular because the others would then attack Dalinar. Despite this he still runs dry and is about to be killed by Amaram when Rock pops him in the head with an arrow from a shardbow. Actually as I type this, we may be talking different scenes, because in the scene I am referring to, Kaladin says that the fused realized that they needs to kill him in order to get to Dalinar, so he needs to just survive and stay ahead of them. Then again as I said he runs out of stormlight for Rock to save him. So I still do not see Kaladin rationing his stormlight better than Jasnah. I have mostly finished putting together my research on Kaladin's stormlight use at Thaylenah. Still have to finish Jasnah, and then do Shallan. Considering how late it has gotten, I may post it all together as originally intended, but do so tomorrow. it does appear this turned into a 1 on 1 fight between kaladin and jasnah to the death. Bigmikey suggested for equal footing we raise them both to 5th oath knight. So a point or two of clarity since having re-read this scene most of it is still fresh in my mind. Amaram does not seem to use soulcasting on kaladin. he uses cohesion to turn the ground to mud, and when Kaladin sinks into it, he solidifies it. Then he hits Kaladin, knocking him back, snapping his ankles. kaladin then pulls his feet out of his boots and lashes himself away. Then later when Amaram turns the air into fire, the implication is in this case it is division, not transformation because kaladin remarks how it seems to set the very air on fire, while transformation changes the material into flame and seems to do it into sheets or geometric shapes. Now having said all that, I still agree with everything you said lol. Good point. They were both seemingly super charged/benefiting from the closer realms, and they both had increased capabilities of using their surges on people. Regarding the capabilities of transportation is still up in the air. Some theorize jasnah throwing the guy the length of the alley that Adolin got to see is from her using radiant plate, and she had just dismissed it. others interpret it as you have that she is using her surge. We have seen her seemingly transfer inertia through the guy she soulcasted hitting another guy, which then moved with the same amount of force to hit the third guy. So suffice it to say, I can't wait to find out more what Jasnah can do! lol

Could you reference scenes that lead you to believe that? Page number please? Always love to learn something new. I do not recall seeing that. edit: are you meaning they become exhausted? Because then yes I agree, but I do not recall actual stormlight usage becoming harder. From what I recall of Kaladin defending Dalinar, he reasons to himself that he needs to outlast Amaram and the fused to protect Dalinar to do what he needs to do. That if he focused on defeating Amaram, the fused would then attack Dalinar. If he focused on the fused, then Amaram would attack. So from what I recall it is the reverse of what you are saying. Kaladin would actually want to conserve his stormlight so he can last long enough for reinforcements (which is what ultimately happened). That would just reinforce my argument further in my opinion that twice when he feels he really needs to watch his usage, he still gets carried away both times. But I will need to jump back to the book to find the page number where Kaladin thinks that for your reference.

I just had a memory that may answer this! I will need to check (added to the massive list of things I have to check), but I seem to recall Szeth during the contest with the other skybreakers remark that he burned through his stormlight faster than the other skybreakers because he changed direction so often and suddenly. So potentially dismissing an existing lashing, in exchange for a new lashing could have depreciating returns. I believe Shallan remarks on the same. That she was unable to reclaim all of the stormlight. Even more than would have been burned off from its use. The point remains he knew he had a limited amount but he did not keep track of it nor ration it, which is the point that bigmikey is trying to make. That Kaladin would ration his supply to outlast Jasnah. Hmmm, personally I do not think that is the case. I think if stormlight was less efficient in shadesmar, Shallan or Kaladin would have remarked on it as they did use it, but we have nothing to definitively support either side, so I wish you luck with your theory!

Honestly I do not know, but I definitely think it is a question we should be asking, and I would love to find out the answer lol. The Shadesmar most certainly counts in my opinion. He fought the fused at the Thaylenah oathgate. They had the stormlight from the Kholin gemstone reserve that they brought with them to Kholinar. They didn't use much of it while in the city because using his surges would attract the screamers. When they got into Shadesmar he had to be reminded to conserve his stormlight because they did not have a means to replenish it. When they reached the oathgate in shadesmar, they went over their supplies so they knew exactly how much stormlight they had to work with before engaging the fused there. Yet still Kaladin burned through it and ended up exhausting it midbattle and fell into the beads nearly drowning. Despite this, he still gets carried away in Thaylenah and has to get wacked by a fused before he looks around and realizes how much he drained the area. That scene can be found on page 1174 of oathbringer. Please give it a read. He was not actively thinking of how much stormlight he was using, till it was mostly gone.

Still got more digging to do but I am realizing something we are all forgetting. Every change of direction requires a new lashing. Just the beginning of the fight with Amaram required six different lashes. A lashing takes you in one direction on one path. Any change or deviation requires a new lashing and the dismissal of the prior lashing. I referenced the scene in my earlier post with the page number. Please give it a read. The Thunderclast was pissed and laid waste to the whole building scattering the gemstones all over those three locations.

Sorry didn't see your comment about a typo. True we do not know it for a fact, but I think I will try and dig a bit to see if we can have any indication across the books to lend it credence. The injuries involve two broken feet, and an arrow wound so I do not feel that would be enough to vastly deplete his stormlight by itself. I just read it but I want to go over it again to be sure, but it is after he gets hit directly by a fused and is sent flying that he then realizes how much stormlight he has used. I believe that is the first time he was hit by that fused (there was twice), but I want to confirm the order. When I review it I will pay closer attention to the injuries sustained.

Why would a double lashing take half the stormlight? Wouldn't it take twice the amount? I am confused regarding this. Are you referring to a half lashing? For me it would make sense that if you add additional lashings to an object, you are increasing the amount of stormlight you use. So one lashing takes up a certain amount of stormlight. Two lashings take double the stormlight. Three takes three times as much stormlight, and so on. So I really am perplexed how it would take less. Ok first point I agree with. The smaller the object, the less stormlight needed for a lashing Ok, won't dispute about the amount of force by a bullet This I disagree with as I will illustrate from further quotes from Oathbringer. Kaladin flew a little bit, lashed two stones, and healed two or three wounds, and ended up exhausting the stormlight in his area. Shallan sustained an army of hundreds to thousands and drained the field she is in. Jasnah got low after soulcasting the wall space into bronze, the air into stairs, the air into oil and set it on fire, then the left over oil to smoke. I feel like there is another thing she does before she comments she is low but I have to check. Then she still has some to bring to Shallan who is empty. I still have to go a bit further before I want to post the rest of the findings, but Kaladin does burn through stormlight while flying. Also if we reference his travel to Hearthstone, he was given a wealth of gemstones yet he still fell shy of his target. Thing is, from my understanding, you would have to increase the force of gravity on the stone to not only reach Kaladin's level, but then be 138 times more than Kaladin to reach the kind of velocity you are saying a bullet sustains. So that to me still uses massive amounts of stormlight. In my research we do actually see Kaladin lash stones at enemies. it is twice. Once to hit a fused on the back of the head and it only causes it a degree of pain enough to fly away. No knocking out, or real damage. The book says he used several lashings to do that. The other time is to get Amaram's horse to run away. I really do not think you are going to get the railgun effect you are thinking without using massive amounts of stormlight. And a 100 fold lashing would be using 100 times the amount of stormlight to lash an object in a direction. How would that not massively deplete Kaladin's reserve? Same thing for a bolder. Szeth drained his stormlight quite a bit with one lashing on a boulder. Multiple that by 10 and I still do not see how Kaladin would not use a lot of stormlight in that example.

Aluminum disrupts investiture. So if it is the surge of adhesion, to the best of my knowledge, Kaladin would be unable to use the surge on the dust because he would be surrounded in it. But I think this is a point we will have to agree to disagree because this has not occurred on screen nor referenced in WoB for us to have a definitive answer on. Honestly your calculations confuse me. When Szeth and Kaladin lash an object, the amount of stormlight needed is affected by three things: 1. how many lashings is put into the object. the more lashings, the greater amount of stormlight 2. how large the object is (the larger the object the more stormlight needed to power a single lash) 3. how long the object remains lashed. the longer you want it lashed, the more stormlight needed So you are saying Kaladin would put multiple lashings on the object enough for it to travel fast enough to break the sound barrier to travel the distance from Kaladin to Jasnah in 1 second (the numbers you provided ) would not take obscene amounts of stormlight? If that is what you are saying then either I have no understanding of velocity at all, or something is up with your calculations because that makes no sense to me. Could you explain it a bit more?

Here you go! AndrewHB (Paraphrased) <I asked if, in the future, he would have Lift use a trident as her main Shard weapon.> Brandon Sanderson There may very well be a trident in the upcoming book.

Ok, got a whole lot to catch up on. I am going to try and organize my responses somehow lol. First, i have done some of my research so far and found a lot of interesting information! I think I am going to list that info below, and then respond to individual points that that information did not cover. Then I will continue with my research and follow up with further conclusions when completed. So first some of my findings! Oathbringer page 1038 Renarin asks what kind of gemstones are housed in the reserve. He is told standard size. Now we know this is a lie to a degree because of the presence of Honor's Drop, but we learn that is the exception, not the rule. Interesting side note about this scene is it implies that even then Renarin knew what was going to happen to the reserve, and that Odium was going to target it. Oathbringer page 1059 Rysn confirms that the gemstones in the reserve are normal sized and most are not infused. The notable exception is the King's Drop which later changes hands and is given to Dalinar. So most of the gemstones start dun. Oathbringer page 1066 Side note, we see a fused heal! I could have sworn I read here or elsewhere that people theorize that fused cannot heal because Kaladin ran one through with his blade, but Rysn confirms they can because she watched one heal the wounds on its face. Now potentially it could be a regrowth fused that had an illusion placed on it by a illumination fused, but I lean towards it being an illusion user that can also heal. Oathbringer page 1096 The thunderlcast destroys the reserve scattering the gemstones across the city, the wall and beyond. As per the map of Thaylenah, the reserve was located next to/near the wall, so it makes sense that its destruction would fling the gemstones in the immediate area, the wall, and the shore. Oathbringer page 1128 The Thrill is at the northern portion of the battle field, confirmed by the Thaylenah map. This is of note because that is where Dalinar ends up and by extension Kaladin. Oathbringer page 1138 This is a big scene that I think will change a lot of what many of you think regarding soulcasting. Renarin and Jasnah together start at the temple of Pailah. That is on the east most side of the city near the oathgate. They run (with stormlight) from there allllllll the way to the low ward. When they get there we see Jasnah soulcast a man into crystal by touching him and throwing him back. He then hits another man, turning him into crystal which throws him back, which then hits another man turning him to crystal. She then slices 6 men with her blade, and soulcasts a wall of the building behind her to smoke to cause it to collapse, blocking an alley where other soldiers were approaching. She then raises her hand, and soulcasts steps out of air while running up to to get to the rooftop of the next building. Now @Calderis your responses so far have been "if it is during the perpendicularity, I don't count it". Well what is interesting is this was before the perpendicularity took effect! Everything Jasnah did was from Renarin's perspective. So accomplished all of that and then Renarin felt the supercharge from the perpendicularity. And it is not even a happen at the same time occurrence. They ran up, Jasnah did all that soulcasting and killing, and then after she ran up the steps she soulcasted from air and got to the next building, then Renarin feels it. So there is a definite sequence to the events. The next scene switches to Navani that then sees all the gemstones spark to life across the field, the top of the wall, and the street below. Oathbringer page 1141 This is from Dalinar's perspective and indicates the power has faded. It makes a point to mention how it was fortunate that the field was covered in gemstones. So the stormlight now available is finite. Dalinar is not continually recharging all radiants. They got an initial charge up, and now they have a wealth of gemstones, that we later see is apparently not enough because it does get burned through. Jasnah, Renarin, Kaladin, Shallan, Szeth, Lift, and Adolin all join Dalinar on the coast. I am making a point to list where everyone is at what time because I think it will give us an indication on the level of stormlight that would be available from person to person. Dalinar orders Renarin to the oathgate which is on the other side of the city. He orders Shallan to remain where she is to lightweave an army on the coast in front of the wall. He orders Jasnah to hold the wall. He orders Kaladin to guard him. Since the Thrill is the northside of the coast that is where they will spend the majority of their time. Oathbringer page 1145 Kaladin lashes himself up into the air, Then lashes himself down towards Amaram so he can crack the ground as he lands. This is where I got up to. I am going to continue when I can to list where Kaladin, Shallan, and Jasnah were at what time, and what they used their stormlight for as since they had a finite amount to draw upon, I think we can attempt to get a broad estimate of usage. If you are talking about the Feverstone Keep scene, the knights on the ground did not appear out of no where, they advanced on foot. Then windrunners flew in and landed. I do not recall any knights appearing out of no where in that scene. Are you referring to the scene where Dalinar fights the Midnight essence? That also has a windrunner flying in, and we see later from the other knights perspective that the knight with the healing fabrial did not have her armor on, so that the windrunner could lash her to fly with her to the location. So I am not sure what scene you are referring to. Thing is there are plenty of times Kaladin nearly dies from overusing stormlight yet he didn't change the practice then. He overused stormlight and nearly died with he drew all the arrows to his shield. He overused stormlight and nearly died when he leapt the chasm to protect bridge 4 from the parshendi. He overused stormlight and nearly died when he fought against Szeth for the first time. He overused stormlight when getting from the warcamps to narak to fight szeth that he needed to be "refueled" by the bridgemen. He overused stormlight when he traveled to hearthstone. He overused stormlight and nearly died when they were in shadesmar. He literally ran out before he realized and fell into the beads nearly drowning. I do not see any instance where Kaladin is learning to be more conservative. So why would Rock saving him by killing Amaram be any different? Like I said regarding the projectile I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I think the problem is the power set of the windrunners. Except for lashing objects (which the problems with that others have gone into and I will comment on further below), windrunners are largely melee fighters which does lend Jasnah an advantage. I have broken down by order what I could see happening below Dustbringer - I think this order and Skybreakers potentially have the best chances because of division. It would be down to who is quicker on the draw. The dustbringer could potentially super heat the air around Jasnah before she could soulcast aluminum dust. That would cook her potentially faster than she could heal and kill her. Skybreaker - Same as dustbringer Lightweaver - although they could also soulcast, in a soulcast vs soulcast battle I think I would give it to Jasnah because Elsecallers seem to be better equipped in using it. The lightweaver could use illusions, but Jasnah could use aluminum dust to disrupt and dispel them. So I would give this to Jasnah Truthwatcher - Suffers from the same problem as the lightweaver, and in this case regrowth wouldn't really help if trapped in an aluminum box Stoneward - Could potentially turn the ground to liquid and seal her in before she can soulcast, but Jasnah could just teleport out or soulcast the ground to air which the stoneward would be unable to change. Then Jasnah could soulcast him into an aluminum box. Willshaper - I think this would be a win depending on how much more proficient in teleportation they are. A willshaper could theoretically teleport right up to Jasnah and run the shardblade right through the eye slit of the armor killing her before she could soulcast aluminum. Edgedancer - would have the same issue as the truthwatcher. Healing and abrasion would require getting up close. Soulcast aluminum box Bondsmith - no idea whether or not if this order could limit other orders abilities. I think it may if it can also supercharge them, but don't know enough to adequately comment The quotes I have posted above disagree with this. Thing is, is summoning the windspren is what creates the wind? if so, then he could not as the aluminum dust would interfere with them. All the radiants received the same super charge. All the radiants (potentially as I am going over each scene) had the same access to stormlight. if you increase everyone equally in power, with the same equal increase in resources, then they still are at the same equal level they were at prior to the increase. The reason Kaladin had enough stormlight is they had gemstones from the Kholin reserve and when they transfered over the shadesmar they express the concern that they are running low and have to ration it. As to rocks, we are on roshar where crem builds up and basically glues anything sitting out to the ground. lashing would require stormlight which would deplete Kaladin's stores, and it would require a greater number of lashings to accelerate it enough to do any actual damage. The velocity of a falling object depends on the air resistance, its mass, and the distance it has to travel to accelerate. A single lashing changes the direct of the gravitational pull. So a pebble lashed once in Jasnah's direction would travel the same way if someone just let it go from the top of a building. For additional speed you would need addition lashes. lashes appear to be multiplicative, not compounding. So if we have a 5 pound rock, then 1 lashing would send that 5 pound rock towards her. two lashings would have it fall like a 10 pound rock, three like a 15 pound rock and etc (these are all rough estimates based on the information provided). It does not however function compounding. So you would not get the effect of a 5 pound rock lashed twice being 10, then lashed a third lash being 20, then a fourth being 40 and so on. A bullet travels at 2,600 feet per second roughly. Now calculating that for a 5 pound rock falling 2,600 feet, and then figuring out how much faster it would have to travel to attain a bullets speed is beyond me, but it looks to me that it would take far more than three lashings to get it that fast. i agree on all points I think the argument myself and @Calderis are making is that it would not be enough to weaken nor distract sufficiently to accomplish what you posit.

Well part of the effectiveness of the smokescreen idea is involving aluminum so it cannot be manipulated by Kaladin. As to Kaladin's conservation of stormlight during a fight, we have seen him in multiple occasions even when fighting "mundane" foes in the parshendi burn through his stormlight in record time. I think a tactical retreat would be well within reason for Jasnah if she felt it necessary. Not sure how Kaladin drawing spren to himself would threaten Jasnah in the cognitive realm. True if she was low she potentially couldn't travel back, but neither could he travel to the cognitive realm, nor could he harm her there while he remains on the physical. I do not recall ever seeing Kaladin remote sensing things in the cognitive realm through Sylphrena. Could you provide a reference to this ability? I do not recall a vision where a radiant teleported away, but we have seen a deleted scene written by Brandon about what happened to Jasnah when she was stabbed on the ship she was on with Shallan. Ivory was able to pull her into the cognitive realm without her even intending to. So for elsecallers at least, it seems pretty easy. I will try to find time tonight to go over the battle of Theylenah so we can list all the uses of Kaladin and how much stormlight he appeared to use, all the uses of Shallan and how much stormlight she appeared to use, and all the uses of Jasnah and how much stormlight she appeared to us. I read it recently, and I really do not believe what you are positing regarding the stormlight use in that chapter is accurate, but I will provide references as I am still going on my memory and would rather confirm it. So I will get back to you on that portion. The problem with the argument of "Kaladin can study" is we could say anything, and validate it with "well it could happen". The reason why I feel Jasnah's use of stormlight conservatively is valid is because we have multiple examples across all three novels that support it. Just like we have multiple examples of Kaladin burning massively through his stormlight. Otherwise this discussion would end up "because batman". I could say Jasnah would figure out a way to use Kaladin's surges against him and kill him. I have nothing in book to support that, but Jasnah is knowledgeable, so we cannot rule it out. The problem is, how do you have discourse over that? How does one reply to that? So I do not feel saying Kaladin having a well documented history of burning through massive amounts of stormlight is indicating he is a dumb brute, nor do I feel we have any indication that he would "study" and change such habits when they have worked for him in the past. I can't point to anything that says he would never learn to be more conservative, but from everything we have seen so far, he seems to burn through stormlight far more cavalierly than Jasnah. You are forgetting two parts of the calculation. Since you are throwing a larger object, the weight and wind resistance increases. The shardplate increase in strength would allow you to lift and throw, but you are still lifting a heavier object, so it is going to take more force to throw it the same speed as the baseball. The rock is also larger than the ball so it would suffer from increased drag. So you would not be getting a double yield off the bat. I have to run now so I will try to edit this later, or post a new comment when I can.

I think the time travel mechanic could also help new players get into the genre and potentially try out classic mode without every "roll of the dice" feeling as potentially punishing, so I am definitely hopeful for it as well. At the end of the day we want to keep the original fans happy, but at the same time attract new ones to keep the series going for years to come.

Writing here to reply to both Calderis and HSuperLee. Brandon did say visiting. That makes me wonder, if you send a probe that takes full video of a planet, is that considered visiting? He mentions microbes counting. Would "space bears" count? It has been shown that they could survive the vacuum of space. If some of them hitched a ride on that drone and ended up chilling on the moon or planet, would that cause it to have a greater cognitive presence? If someone traveling through the cognitive realm (potentially) peers into the physical realm and sees a planet and decides to take a look and pops into the physical, and then more world hoppers visit and then set up shop there, doesn't that planet then gain a cognitive presence that then begins to change the distance for those travelers to travel that particular route? I agree the vast light years between planets would remain unchanged, but has every planet been discovered? Has every moon, and star? If faster than light travel could potentially get you through a more "populated" area of space (meaning more planets, moons and other celestial bodies around the sun) faster than walking, wouldn't that still be a necessity? @Calderis to be clear I am having a conversation. Thinking things through based on the WoB we got and contemplating how it could play out. Hopefully that is received as intended.

So I did a bunch of digging regarding soulcasting and found out some interesting tidbits. I will post them first, and then respond to Bigmikey357. So other than Jasnah and Shallan, over the course of all three books, we get roughly four instances of soulcasters soulcasting on screen. I also found a mention of something soulcasted that I think is pertinent to this discussion. So first we have the dark figure working for Taravangian talking to Szeth in Way of Kings page 451. There is no mention of the figure (presumably not an ardent) raising his hand or touching the wall before the soulcaster flashes and the wall turns to smoke. One other thing of note is the gemstone is on the palm, and Szeth can see it, which potentially would have been covered hand the man placed his hand on the wall to soulcast it. So this individual does not chant, and does not seem to be overtly touching the wall. This however could be a potential omission and mean nothing more. Second is in Words of Radiance page 409, we have five ardent soulcasters creating a windbreak. Some are stone savants as they have gem like eyes, and stony skin (as remarked on by Adolin). In that scene the soulcasters raise their hands, and chant. This scene is of note because we have savants, and they chant in order to soulcast, supporting what Kabsal stated to Shallan. I also bring this scene up because it does not mention that the wall appeared pressed right against their hands which is what should happen if touch is required. The air should have lined up, and changed to stone against their hand. Now again this could be an omission, and probably is, but I wanted to show it for completeness. Third, we have Kaza in Oathbringer page 557. She is a smoke savant, not an ardent, and soulcasts portions of the rocks in the water. She does not chant or any other vocal action, but she does clearly touch the rocks. This supports that chanting is not required to soulcast as now we have two instances of users (though the first does not seem to be a savant) soulcasting away a portion of the wall without any chanting or speech required. However here we have a clear indication that Kaza touched her target, while the first two are more ambiguous. Fourth, in Oathbringer page 979, we see Dalinar and co. observe the soulcasting of Gavilar's corpse. Again we have a stone savant and again it is an ardent this time. This individual touches Gavilar but does not hum. So in rough summation of the scenes we have, we have a few variations: 1. we have 2 instances where touch required is ambiguous 2. we have 1 instance with verbal confirmation of chanting being required 3. we have 3 instances where chanting is not used 4. we have 2 instances where touch is required So at the end of the day, I really want more time with Jasnah to learn more of what definitively soulcasting (the fabrial) can do versus soulcasting (the radiant) can do. Now two other things of note. In the scenes where Jasnah and Shallan meet and Shallan watches Jasnah soulcast, Shallan marvels at Jasnah's capabilities. When she comments to Jasnah about this, Jasnah does not reply "Oh that's just because the realms are closer together", Jasnah instead explains her skill and the practical knowledge to attain such proficiency. So although for bigger jobs (soulcasting an entire wall, and soulcasting people directly) is assisted by the realms being closer, I do not think it is entirely fair to say all the ease in which Jasnah soulcasts is owed to that. But till we see her soulcast more, I agree it is left a degree ambiguous. So Jasnah fixing the wall isn't potentially using massive amounts of stormlight? Soulcasting a rock tomb out of midair to entrap multiple fused isn't? Soulcasting a huge sheet of the floor into oil to set on fire isn't? Soulcasting a sheet of oil in midair isn't? Or how about soulcasting a man to crystal, and having that man his another and transform him, and another and another? First you say that soulcasting automatically takes more stormlight pound for pound compared to Kaladin, to now saying Jasnah didn't use that much. Jasnah definitely soulcasted a whole lot during the battle of Thaylenah. I can buy that she had potentially an easier time overcoming a person's or object's identity because the realms were closer, but making it cost less stormlight to do so too? I do not think so. Even if that was the case, then Shallan and Kaladin would have required even less stormlight because they experienced the same phenomena as Jasnah. So again, she experienced just as much battle as Shallan and Kaladin, yet those two burned through it far faster than Jasnah, which to me denotes well thought out use of resources. Jasnah even admonishes herself over setting the ground to oil and igniting it because the fused ended up pushing their way through it, thinking that she should have made a pit instead. I would imagine the pit would not have killed those particular fused, but would have definitely restrained them. As I type this I thought of another example. Shallan asks Jasnah how to soulcast air to rock. Jasnah explains how each essence requires a different approach to convince it to change. She suggests Shallan turning rock to oil rather than air to stone since she is a beginner. So that again suggests a level of knowledge, proficiency, and forethought in all her actions to best employ the tools she has access to. Kaladin demonstrates a different thought. He gets surprised at how much stormlight he used, and gets worried he won't be able to continue for much longer. That denotes to me that he was not paying attention to his stormlight usage and took for granted the amount he had access to. As I mentioned, this is most certainly not the first time this has happened to him. Stormlight does increase the persons speed and reaction time. I still think you are grossly over estimating the speed in which a shardplate enhanced person could throw a rock. But at this point I guess regarding that we will have to just agree to disagree on that point. See now you are going back to saying Jasnah uses more stormlight than kaladin because she soulcasts, yet at the battle of Thaylenah, she wasn't? I referenced scenes above regarding what we know about soulcasting at a distance. I think at this time it is too ambigous to fully say whether or not the ease of ranged casting Jasnah did is purely caused by the realms being closer. As to soulcasting something moving, in Oathbringer page 710, Shallan comments on how multiple waterfalls were soulcasted into various materials (marble, etc). The water has to be continually flowing to be considered a waterfall. Shallan even comments how it appeared to be trapped in motion. So if soulcasters (the fabrial) can soulcast flowing water then I see no reason a soulcaster (radiant) would be unable to soulcast moving air or flying objects. Anyway this goes back to our earlier disagreement, where I feel she can simply dodge the projectiles. That they wouldn't be breaking the sound barrier or anything. But at this stage regarding pitching boulders, being unable to measure the speed they are thrown, nor the increase in speed stormlight and shardplate affords, it really comes down to opinion. So on that part I guess all we can do is agree to disagree.

I do not think it is debunked. A WoB that I posted below, as well as the WoB you posted does mention as more celestial bodies are discovered and thought about, the landscape of the cognitive realm would change. The space between would not change just because people are flying through it, but if a moon can get a cognitive presence just from being viewed and enough people thinking about it, then as technology advances with telescopes, drones, and satellites, I think the landscape would most definitely change and start to necessitate space travel over cognitive realm travel. Basically I am using Pluto as an example. If we were in the cosmere, Pluto wouldn't exist in the cognitive realm for quite some time. Then once it got discovered via telescopes, got named a planet, and started popping up in school textbooks, you have the overall populace thinking about it, now it becomes a cognitive presence. A presence people potentially have to travel through or around to get to earth now. So I do still think the necessity could potentially arise. Questioner So like as far as distance traveled in Shadesmar. Brandon Sanderson Mhm Questioner So when Kelsier... Brandon Sanderson Yeah. Questioner ...in Shadesmar. He meets the Ire, who are presumably Elantrian. Brandon Sanderson Yes. Questioner Like how far did he travel? Is that still within Scadrial's realm of the Cognitive Realm? Brandon Sanderson Yeah, that's within-- he has s-- By the time he meets them he has slipped right to the edge of the Cognitive Realm on Scadrial and into kind of the darkness between planets. Questioner Okay. Brandon Sanderson He's close enough that he can get there. But he's kind of suffused with Scadrian Investiture then, to a point that it would be harder--you saw in there--for him to get further. I would say that he's like... He has entered space between planets, but he's not out of the solar system. Questioner Okay, so he's <still there> in the Scadrian system, just... Brandon Sanderson Yeah, yep. Questioner Okay, just edging it there. Brandon Sanderson Yeah, mhm. That's what I'd say if I had to actually point <at> him. I would get really fuzzy though, because it wouldn't be too much longer before he enters another solar system. Like he would pass lightyears in steps as he starts getting further, if that makes any sense. Questioner That makes sense, because, I mean, with worldhopping in general it's like... You can only... I mean it's... I don't know how the time dilation works per se, but... Brandon Sanderson It's not-- there's not much time dilation. What you've got going on is... Things that people aren't around to think about, things without minds or any sort of life, don't manifest on Shadesmar very much at all. And so the space between planets gets really small, unless there's another planet out there with thinking beings or at least some sort of life on it. Like even lower lifeforms, you'll get something manifesting on Shadesmar. But yeah. Questioner Okay. So the Cognitive Realm, in Shadesmar... Brandon Sanderson Yeah. Questioner ...in the Cognitive Realm... It's kind of the... Any kind of sentient or cognitive life-- that's what is building Shadesmar? Brandon Sanderson Yeah, yeah. Questioner So like anything where there's blackness... is like... condensed or-- Brandon Sanderson Yes, yes. Particularly if no one's thinking about it? If people are thinking about it.. like, for instance, an island in the ocean that was scoured of all life and even bacteria would still manifest in Shadesmar on that planet because people are aware of it and things like this. But one on the other side of the planet, that no one ever knew about it, probably wouldn't. Questioner So that same island, if people just stopped thinking about it or like stopped being aware it's *inaudible* would it... Brandon Sanderson It could slowly vanish, yes. And so-- But that's more of a thought experiment. You're never gonna have a planet that that happens to, you know cause... Questioner Right. Brandon Sanderson But thought experiment wise, yes, that would eventually kind of get consumed by Shadesmar and vanish. The same thing would happen to a planet that you strip the atmosphere from--all the bacteria and life dies on it--you know, slowly going to vanish. But a moon will still manifest because people are thinking about it. It'll just not-- it won't-- it'll be hoakie, it'll be weird--the moon will be. Like you might find a little patch that represents the moon. Something like that. Questioner That's interesting. Brandon Sanderson You're not gonna find the full landscape of the moon until people start visiting it. And it's gonna grow on Shadesmar.

Thank you! I will do my best. Since there is one book left, part of me thinks it won't take as long as Way of Kings and Words of Radiance, but at the same token Oathbringer is pretty hefty all on its own. Since there is interest, I will get right to work on it!

I will try and dig to find that scene (unless you have the page so I can locate it easier), but I recall it quite differently. it was a solid wall. He cut it at an angle so it could slide out (slanted like a trapezoid). It had nothing to do with the rest of the building. it was because the object was very heavy. But I will endeavor to locate the scene to be sure. edit: found the scene you were referring to! I have included it below for reference: Way of Kings page 27 He reached the far wall and - preparing himself for yet another blasphemy - he raised his Shardblade and slashed horizsontally through the dark grey stone. The rock sliced easily; a Shardblade could cut any inanimate object. Two vertical slashes followed, then one across the bottom, cutting a large square block. He pressed his hand against it, willing Stormlight into the stone. Behind him the room's door began to crack. He looked over his shoulder and focused on the shaking door, Lashing the block in that direction. Frost crystallized on his clothing - Lashing something so large required a great deal of Stormlight. The tempest within him stilled, like a storm reduced to a drizzle. He stepped aside. The large stone block shuddered, sliding into the room. Normally, moving the block would have been impossible. its own weight would have held it against the stones below. Yet now, that same weight pulled it free; for the block, the direction of the room's door was down. With a deep grinding sound, the block slid free of the wall and tumbled through the air, smashing furniture. The soldiers finally broke through the door, staggering into the room just as the enormous block crashed into them. So it was like I said. The weight of the block was what was referenced, and it took a whole lot of stormlight to get it moving at its normal weight. Szeth used 1 lashing, just because of the size and weight of the block, that one lashing took a whole lotta stormlight. Much like soulcasting inanimate objects would require less stormlight than a person. And again whatever enhancements kaladin has from shardplate so does Jasnah. I used the baseball player because the assumption is both involved have the same capabilities. If I was going to try to catch a baseball from a national league pitcher, I would fail horribly. But someone with the same capabilities can catch it no problem. Catchers on baseball teams do it all the time. So Jasnah would have the same speed, and strength as Kaladin and would be able to catch a thrown stone. Ehhh, I still feel that is a whole lotta assumptions on your part. We have never seen anyone use their spren in that manner in the books whatsoever. True we have not seen a number of examples of transportation used, but for me if there has to be a special fabrial made with the intention of alerting the oncoming presence of someone, it would rather negate the specialty if all spren, or even a good chunk of them could replicate it. Regarding this point I guess we will just have to agree to disagree because I do not personally see it working that way Yet we see Jasnah casually use her soulcaster to make a paperweight from wine, scribe words onto a piece of paper without issue, much like how kaladin can lash objects without issue. when we see soulcasters break their gemstones, or use massive amounts of stormlight is when they either change people (which we agree takes more because of their innate investiture), or large projects such as whole buildings. So I do not think based on our experience we can be assured that every single use Jasnah employs with her soulcasting will automatically be more than kaladin. As far as we know transforming a stone to air takes the same amount as lashing the stone a certain direction, but if you wanted to transform a person to air, it would take the same amount as lashing a much large rock a certain direction. I believe the point of the poster is while from what we see of Jasnah, she is more thoughtful with her stormlight use, Kaladin is more inclined to use it haphazardly in great bursts to accomplish goals. edit: for example, kaladin draining all his stormlight to draw all the parshendi arrows to his arm. or kaladin draining all his stormlight fighting parshendi, till they show up with more for him to advance in oaths and leap the chasm taking their stormlight to keep going. or kaladin using all his stormlight to fly as close to hearthstone as he can till he is completely drained and has to stumble to get there. and so on. Oh! also at the end of oathbringer, he drains almost all the stormlight in the area while fighting against Amaram and worries about running out. He comments on how quickly he goes through it and being concerned about getting addicted to it. conversely lets look at jasnah. She soulcasts four men, breaks one gemstone, and still has some stormlight left over. when she is jumped and "killed" on the ship, she has enough stormlight to heal from the stabbing, be pulled into shadesmar fully by ivory, and still have enough left over to soulcast away the bonds of the crew to free them while in an entirely different realm. Also Jasnah doing all the soulcasting she did never expressed concern about running out at thaylenah while Shallan burned through all the stormlight gems around her, and so did kaladin.

Thank you for the added data point! Still digging, but I found something of interest. Kabsal stated to Shallan that in order to soulcast one must hum in order to get it to work and that it is a closely guarded secret of the ardentia. Now one could reason he was lying because he worked for the ghostbloods, but in the scene where Adolin talks to Kadash about the Assassin in White in Words of Radiance, the group of soulcasters raise their hands in a line, and then hum. Now after they soulcast the windbreak, it does not state that their hands are now resting on the recently created stone, but in the scene I quoted with the man that works for Taravangian, he most certainly did not hum. I could buy not mentioning raising his arm and touching the wall being an omission of forgetfulness, but the humming as well? True she is a savant that learned greater utility but if it was ingrained in her that it required touch, then I do not think it is a stretch for her to think that limitation is a rule. Same applies to Szeth. He believed honorblades required 10 heartbeats, and would summon it in ten heartbeats regardless the danger because he believed it to be true. So back to digging! edit: to add what is interesting about that scene with Kaza is she does not hum either. Maybe this digging might reveal something new! Regardless if it is related to what we are discussing, new info is always great!

I totally see where you are coming from and agree, but as I said I am still digging and so far the only person I found that specifically says soulcasters require touch is Shallan when she watches Jasnah soulcast at range, and Shallan admits to herself it is based on her limited research of the matter. I do concede most of the instances I can recall off the top of my head involve the individual touching the object, but that is why I want to do a little digging. I am curious if that is a misnomer that the ardentia enforces, meanwhile the individual working for Taravangian might have known better. Again, totally concede it is a stretch, and I am not saying you are wrong. I am just curious to check each instance we have seen it be used to see if they all line up and that was the first one I found that doesn't exactly match. One certainly does not make a trend which is why I want to see if I can locate more.

Touche. I did find a scene which could potentially be interpreted as ranged soulcasting but I recognize it is a loose interpretation. I will dig further into soulcasting when I have the chance to and get back to you. I have included the page and pertinent portion of the scene below for your reference Way of Kings Page 451 The chained gemstone on the man’s palm flashed. The wall vanished, turned to smoke. A Soulcaster. The dark figure glanced at Szeth. “Indeed. Our master directs that you are to use tactics similar to those you employed so well in Alethkar years ago. When you are done, you will receive further instructions.” He then exited through the opening, leaving Szeth horrified. (if you go before that first sentence it never says he raised his hand to the wall or touched the wall. It only says he rolls the head towards szeth. So it could be said he wasn't touching the wall, or it could be said Brandon just didn't make a point to mention it in this case.) Various spren have various experiences in seeing and interacting with the various realms. If Syl could easily see into the cognitive realm from the physical realm, then she would have had no problem seeing Pattern during the 3 v 1 bout with Adolin yet she was unable to. So I do not think spren can see between the realms as easily as you posit. I think it depends on the type of spren, the bond with the radiant, and the level of physical vs cognitive realm presence which I think is unique depending on the spren themselves. edit: also again if Kaladin gets this extra warning from Syl (which as I explained I do not think is this case), Jasnah would get the very same from Ivory Good point regarding punching the rocks to break them up to create projectiles. Except Jasnah would not just be standing there while he did that. She would be taking action while Kaladin breaks up the rocks, and has to lash each one individually. Jasnah could also soulcast a cloud over her obscuring kaladin's sight, screwing up his aim even more. Based on kaladin's power, other than usually aluminum, I do not see why Jasnah would voluntarily create objects to throw at Kaladin knowing it would only give him additional ammunition. That is a great point. Throwing rocks high speed. Baseball players throw baseballs at highspeeds, and other trained baseball players can catch said highspeed baseballs. So why wouldn't jasnah also armored, and similarly strengthened be unable to catch or dodge projectiles dropped or thrown without any lashings as you posit? The speed of a bullet I feel in this case is a gross exaggeration. How many times can kaladin smash rocks compromising the integrity of his armor? How many lashes can kaladin do for objects before he runs out? How many lashings on an object does it take to send a large object to going the speed you posit? Szeth had to expend a whole lot of stormlight to just move one slowly and took out the two guys with an element of surprise. How much would it require to infuse the same block to go as fast as you are saying that she cannot dodge it? Jasnah could teleport away. No need to soulcast projectiles nor wall in that case. Thing is you are forgetting by kaladin doing all these things, he is actively using stormlight as well. he is running out too. Jasnah has just as much opportunity to use her stormlight intelligently to cause kaladin to run out of his. I believe it was another poster's earlier point that Kaladin does tend to run through his stormlight frighteningly fast. Without any concern towards rationing. The only time we see him ever treat it as a resource is when he left hearthstone to track the voidbringers. otherwise that boy blazed through stormlight faster than an alcoholic through a case of beer.

I agree, which I mentioned, but that takes time during combat. You have to cut at an angle because otherwise you can't grip the rock to pull it out (as mentioned by Szeth and Dalinar). Also since it would be the ground, he would also have to cut at an angle to remove the stone at all. Basically they would have to be triangular pieces, and that is assuming large chunks. Smaller pieces would be more difficult. So Kaladin would need time to cut at the right angle and then use lashings to withdraw them, wasting stormlight, to then use more stormlight to launch them. Seems counterproductive to me. Thing is we see Jasnah range soulcast multiple times during the battle of Thaylenah. She soulcasted the ground out from under an enemies feet without touching it, as well as the sheet of oil in front of another. I feel like there is a third but I would have to check.

Szeth primarily lashed normal people. He comments to himself at the beginning of Way of Kings about being unable to lash a shardbearer in shardplate. I can see making the ground sticky, though Jasnah could teleport away, or soulcast away the object that was infused with adhesion. She would have to go through the investiture Kaladin put into it, but as mentioned in the prior WoB, soulcasters are used to dealing with that. Considering how invested a metal mind can be (enough that they can’t be pushed on without duralumin or being a savant), that says to me Jasnah could get through it pretty deftly As to the range of Jasnah’s soulcasting, frankly we have no clue what the range is. We know she can do it at ranged, but not the distance measured. I checked back at my “Jasnah, More than Meets the Eye” thread to read the scene again, and all it says is “the other two men fled in opposite directions. Jasnah took a deep breath, closing her eyes, lifting her hand above her head. Stormlight shot from Jasnah’s hand like twin bolts of lightning, symmetrical. One struck each of the footpads and they popped, puffing into smoke.” So the implication to me is they ran away roughly equidistant from Jasnah. If in either man’s case it had mentioned how far away he was then we could attempt to judge, but frankly we just don’t have it. I would have to pore over Oathbringer, because there are multiple scenes where Jasnah soulcasts at range, perhaps there it is mentioned. If I recall correctly she soulcasts a pit under an enemy running towards her, soulcasts a sheet of oil at an enemy flying at her, and soulcasts steps while she runs up them. I will get back to you regarding this once I am able to dig into it. As to Kaladin shooting rocks at Jasnah, he first has to cut up pieces to do so, which takes time, and once he launches them he loses control over their trajectory, which would aid in her dodging them. Why would Syl be able to warn Kaladin about Jasnah teleporting? The “wind sense” was during combat, close quarters with him already aware of all parties. We also do not know the full extent of this “wind sense” nor how it works. So I think it is a bit premature to assume Syl would be like an alert fabrial, able to warn Kaladin as to where ever Jasnah is going to teleport into. That is an excellent point. Makes me wonder if that fused potentially was not as “invested” at the time. We see the gravitation fused continually have it active and fly around meanwhile that fused occasionally morphs his body in bursts and then stops. Could also the nature of voidlight operate differently? I believe there was a thread/discussion about voidlight not healing the voidbringers, while stormlight does. So maybe that played into why he was able to be lashed? Now that you mention it, I feel a vague recollection that Szeth was able to put a lashing on a gravitation fused to throw off its flight. Unless I am confusing scenes. Hmmm much to think about there. 1. With his fight with Amaram he was constantly in flight because he was concerned if he touched the ground, Amaram would change it to mud and capture him again. I could see that being a concern for him with Jasnah and her soulcasting, so I think it would be reasonable to consider he would maintain in flight. 2. As you said, them being both 5th oath would result in them both having the same level of stormlight efficiency. Now whether lashing vs soulcasting takes a different amount of stormlight to use, I believe that depends on what is being lashed/soulcasted. 3. I have already responded to the point about throwing rocks at her. Kaladin first has to produce them to begin with and can potentially run out. When lashed, he loses control over their direction, and finally in order to give small weapons the kind of momentum necessary over a small distance would require, in my opinion, more stormlight than is worth the endeavor considering she could just dodge them. That is true. From the scene in Kholinar it does seem Shallan’s lightweaving requires less stormlight than Kaladin potentially. I agree about Jasnah being able to dodge the projectiles. Again I have to ask, where is he getting these objects to throw at her? I could understand if she was creating them, and he was throwing them back at her, but for me, Jasnah would be making things of aluminum, which kaladin would be unable to lash. So where is he producing these objects to shoot at her? I totally understand, and I hope this clarifies why I am responding as I am. I view this as a thought experiment. Taking the tools at our disposal, what do we think the characters can achieve. I am not trying to do this to say “hey kaladin sux” or anything (not saying you were accusing me of that).