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I will need a moment to locate it but I believe there is a WoB that says Hoid wanted to become a knight radiant, which is why he was tracking the people becoming radiants, and he specifically wanted to become a lightweaver because of the illusion magics let him accomplish what he already does but "easier". Those might be a few WoB combined, but I am pretty sure there is one that is pretty explicit that he wants to be a lightweaver in particular. I will update when I pull them up. found them! (though I think there is one more to locate) Stormlightning If Hoid could have picked to join any order of the Knights Radiant, regardless of the Oaths he had to swear, just the powers, would he have picked Lightweaver? Brandon Sanderson He would have. Stormlightning Tell me more! Brandon Sanderson Lightweaving matches him very well, he's quite familiar with it and experienced with it. He's very good at using it and he likes it. It's the fulfillment of a long, long quest of his to finally get full access to Lightweaving. Stormlightning Even though he had some sort of Lightweaving? Brandon Sanderson He did have some sort of, yes. He's a very very happy Hoid. FanX 2018 (Sept. 7, 2018) Kim Jenson Does Hoid have any rules, self-imposed or otherwise, about how much he can interfere with what is going on on whatever planet he is currently on? And why does he take such an active part on Roshar, compared to the other planets he has visited? Brandon Sanderson Hoid has a few rules of thumb, but he does not have the same rules that the Shards have to follow, which is basically one of the big points that makes Hoid do what he does. He has to watch out, because drawing their attention at the wrong time can be very dangerous. But that's not necessarily a rule, it's more of a "be careful." He's defined by the fact that he doesn't have to follow the rules. And he's also defined by the fact that he intervenes when a lot of others think that one should not intervene, as made evident by the chastisement he receives from Frost. So, I would say, no and yes. There are some weird limitations on him related to things in his past that you will find out about eventually, but those are not really about intervening. Why Roshar more than others? There are a couple of reasons for this. One is: the way he is intervening on Roshar is something that is directly involving the main characters of the book I'm writing. He actually has done a lot on other planets as well, you just haven't seen it because he hasn't been as involved with the main characters. Why is he involved with the main characters? Well, he is trying to get to be a Knight Radiant, and he wants to be involved with the people who are becoming Knights Radiant, because he wants to figure out how that magic works and specifically how you can get off-world with it, which is the real trick on Roshar. So he, in this specific instance, is really involved with those characters because of that reason. A lot of the other places he will go, the magic is already extant, and it's not like Roshar, where the magic has not been around for a while. So he is kind of by necessity more involved in the plot. YouTube Livestream (Jan. 11, 2020)

So I interpreted these two WoB posted above in a certain way and I wonder if I am the only one: Bluebar Does the Bloodseal have to be made with the blood of whoever it's sealing? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Orem Signing (March 16, 2019) Questioner Does a Bloodsealer need to restamp the bones [of a skeletal] every twenty-four hours? Brandon Sanderson They do need to maintain the seals in the same way, it's not necessarily every twenty-four hours. So the first WoB say the bloodseal has to be made with the blood of whoever it's sealing. So it could mean on the surface that all blood seals require the blood of that which is being sealed. So to bloodseal a skeletal, then you would need the blood of the person whose bones it is. I would be on board with this, but then we have the WoB that the bones of the skeletal have to be maintained. If this was so, then the utility of the skeletals drops off sharply. You would need a fresh corpse, and have to drain every drop of blood. Then you would need an anti coagulate to keep the blood fresh over time, so you could re-stamp your skeletal every however long. The moment the blood goes bad, there goes your skeletal. Now that could be a limiting factor on the magic system, but I feel like that would be too much. I think the first WoB is referring to specifically the type of bloodseal that traps someone in the room, and tracks them. While the skeletal bloodseals work differently, potentially using the blood of the bloodsealer himself. At least those are my thoughts.

Honestly he does not know any of that. All he knows about Vin is she seems to be a poor skaa girl getting kicked around, that turns out to be mistborn. She could have been a spy. She could have been a plant. Or, oooo just a thought I had, she could have been Paalm! lol. Also they confirm Yeden already paid them. So the money is already in hand. It was the promise of the Lord Ruler's treasury, the promise of future additional gains that convinced Breeze. But the current money was very much already there. So totally respect your view of Kelsier, and totally respect your choice in feeling the way you do. I am only posting these WoB to show why I believe the way I do. Not intending to tell you you are wrong or right, or how to think. I am also only highlighting to point out the part/reason I am posting the WoB. Question We've had great topics and discussions about this. If all of your characters were in a death match, who would win? Brandon Sanderson Honest truth is Kelsier. This is because of most of the characters, Kelsier is the one that is ruthless enough to get what he wants. Others would not be as ruthless. Kelsier as a character is very interesting to me. My kind of pitch on him to myself was he would be the villain in most stories. Kelsier in a lot of stories being told, in a lot of books that I would write, he's the villain but in this world, at this time, it is what the world needs and he is the hero. That's why I say Kelsier. Arcanum Unbounded Seattle signing (Dec. 1, 2016) ExaltedHamster I feel like The Lord Ruler from Mistborn would be a pretty good example of black/white philosophy. ( [Brandon] feel free to chime in here if you want). Kelsier from the same book feels pretty red/white to me. Brandon Sanderson I always viewed Kelsier as red-black, personally. He loves his friends, and his team, but is counter-authority in a big way. He's extremely selfish and violent, but is bleeding toward believing in something more important as the books begin. sirgog This is interesting, I thought of Kelsier as about as mono red as you can get. Freedom and emotions - rage and love at various times - drive him. Never altruism, never malice. Just passionate rage. Brandon Sanderson I can completely see that argument. However, Kelsier has a strong megalomaniac streak. He set up a religion to worship him. He spent most of his life as a thief, seeking to get ahead--and enrich himself. His arc is, to an extent, learning to allow the red side of him dominate the black side--but I still see him as a mixture of both. And you can see the malice on occasion (like when he dumps the body of the nobleman he's killed.) General Reddit 2017 (June 6, 2017)

Sorry that is not the scene i am talking about. I got a ebook edition that has the full trilogy in one so i cannot reference the page but it is the beginning of the first book. Vin is a stranger that kelsier found out can soothe. He gave her metals to find out she is a mistborn. He then gathers his entire crew, employer (yeden), and lays out everything they intend to do (rebellion). Clubs refuses, calls it stupid and storms out. Yeden states it is stupid of kelsier to do so because now clubs knows everything. Kelsier said he wouldnt have invited him if he didnt trust clubs. Then he asks breeze who says yes. Then asks vin who says yes. Again at that point in the story kelsier didnt know vin from a hole in the wall. She wasnt his friend and wasnt his student yet. If it was because she was a mistborn it would be doubly stupid because he now has a rival with his same powers with all the knowledge of his enterprise. So that is why i was wondering based on what you said, that kelsier killing nobility and civilians makes sense because he would look weak otherwise, but he doesnt kill his friends because he trusts them, should not include vin because he had literally just met her. The only info he had on her was that she worked for camon and that she uses brass to soothe. Her ignorance of being a mistborn and that her father was the head of the canton was heard from her lips, which could have been lies. So why was Vin allowed to live?

Just a quick point or two. The infusion of stormlight from when Dalinar brought the realms together was not a continuous effect. It supercharged all the radiants, and then charged all the gemstones. Then the effect stopped. The gemstones with stormlight in them then became a finite resource. The fused began to remove them from around Kaladin so he could not draw on more. So he had even less. Also from what I recall a fused cracked Kaladin across the face, as well as other injuries? I think trading blows repeatedly (from my understanding of it) would qualify as fighting them. Not saying it in that manner to be snarky, or sarcastic. Only stating that is how I interpreted the reading from my recollection.

For myself I think that is where the whole evil tendencies with Kelsier comes in. I personally do think he would have attacked. The quote shows (to me) him being so enraged he had to completely remove himself from it. That not killing Elend was against his better judgement. Which says to me normally his judgement would have said to kill Elend. That it was the love for Vin that caused him not to, not any feelings or emotions Elend elicited himself elicited. But that is just my own reading of it. Totally get and respect you think differently and I am in no way shape or form saying you have to see things my way.

So just doing this so I can confirm we are on the same page (discussing the same thing). I am referring to this portion specifically, that I posted earlier in this thread: Brandon Sanderson The Nightwatcher-- I mean, they call the Nightwatcher a spren. Everyone in the books thinks the Nightwatcher is a spren. That's what they would call-- that's what they would call, if they knew what Honor was, they would call Honor a spren. A spren is Investiture that is alive. Bystander Nightblood? Brandon Sanderson So they would call Nightblood a spren. They would call-- That's the word for what all of these things are. They would probably've called Adonalsium a spren… So I took what Brandon said as: (I am numbering it just to show the progression of my thoughts. How one led to another) 1. Rosharans call the nightwatcher a spren 2. if Rosharans knew what honor was a. this states to me that at this time Rosharans at large do not know what honor was as per defined by Brandon, because he is saying what Honor was b. if the Rosharans do in fact know what Honor was then: 3. Rosharans would call honor (the shard) a spren 4. The definition of spren is: investiture that is alive 5. Rosharans would probably have called Adonalsium a spren. In the quote I am referring to from Jasnah, that I quoted earlier in this thread, she said: Words of Radiance page 69 The Stormfather, of course, is a strange offshoot of this, his theoretical nature changing depending on which era of Vorinism is doing the talking. . . .” She trailed off. Shallan blushed, realizing she’d looked away and had begun tracing a glyphward on her blanket against the evil in Jasnah’s words. “That was a tangent,” Jasnah said. “I apologize.” “You’re so sure he isn’t real,” Shallan said. “The Almighty.” “I have no more proof of him than I do of the Thaylen Passions, Nu Ralik of the Purelake, or any other religion.” “And the Heralds? You don’t think they existed?” “I don’t know,” Jasnah said. “There are many things in this world that I don’t understand. For example, there is some slight proof that both the Stormfather and the Almighty are real creatures—simply powerful spren, such as the Nightwatcher.” “Then he would be real.” “I never claimed he was not,” Jasnah said. “I merely claimed that I do not accept him as God, nor do I feel any inclination to worship him. So again, only numbering to show the progression of my thoughts 1. Jasnah says (to me) that she has no more proof (no additional evidence) that would lend to the Almighty existing more than any other religion on Roshar 2. This is not Jasnah stating the Almighty or any other religion does not exist. Just she does not have any convincing evidence that would rule one over any other 3. Jasnah states she does not know if the heralds existed or not. That there is some proof that the Stormfather and the Almighty (as the Vorins understand it to be) could just be powerful spren 4. Shallan then states then he would be real. i take this to mean that Shallan is saying "If the Almighty was proven to be a powerful spren, that would prove the Almighty real" 5. Jasnah responds that she never claimed the Almighty was not real. Just that she does not accept him as God nor does she feel any inclination to worship 6. So the Almighty can exist, be a powerful spren, be real, and the Almighty would not be accepted as God by Jasnah and would not be worshiped. Further taking both the WoB and the quote from Jasnah, the progression of my thoughts are 1. Spren on Roshar are defined as living investiture 2. shards are defined by the author as living investiture 3. Jasnah is Rosharan (and I do have a quote of Jasnah discussing spren that I will add below to confirm this) and defines spren as living investiture 4. Jasnah says spren exist. Spren have varying power levels. 5. Jasnah does not refer to spren as god and will not worship it. The numbering is not meant to belittle, or imply you do not understand what I am saying. It is just an effort on my part to show how I organized my thoughts. (here is the quote regarding Jasnah and her thoughts on spren: “They’re living ideas.” Jasnah spun on her. “What?” Shallan said, jumping. “Am I wrong?” “No,” Jasnah said. “You’re right.” The woman narrowed her eyes. “By my best guess, spren are elements of the Cognitive Realm that have leaked into the physical world. They’re concepts that have gained a fragment of sentience, perhaps because of human intervention. “Think of a man who gets angry often. Think of how his friends and family might start referring to that anger as a beast, as a thing that possesses him, as something external to him. Humans personify. We speak of the wind as if it has a will of its own. “Spren are those ideas—the ideas of collective human experience—somehow come alive. Shadesmar is where that first happens, and it is their place. Though we created it, they shaped it. They live there; they rule there, within their own cities.” “Cities?” “Yes,” Jasnah said, looking back out over the ocean. She seemed troubled. “Spren are wild in their variety. Some are as clever as humans and create cities. Others are like fish and simply swim in the currents.” Spren are living ideas/concepts that have gained a fragment of sentience, perhaps because of human intervention. These ideas/concepts come alive. They can be as clever as humans, or like fish. That to me lines up with a shard. Shards are living ideas/concepts, that have gained a fragment of sentience perhaps because of human intervention. edit: something further from re-reading your post. From my understanding of spren, like Syl and such, they are just splinters of a shard. Syl says she herself is god, or a piece of god, and that that is the same thing. She is both a piece of the whole and the whole at the same time. From what I understand of spren, they are not limited to only the physical and the cognitive realms. Functionally, from what I understand, there is no difference between a spren such as Syl, and a shard such as Honor except scope Also as an aside, Syl saying she is god, or part of god, was in view of Kaladin, and also Rock, who in Kaladin's case acknowledge an existence of god but just god is unknowable, and Rock that views all spren as god/s. From what I read Jasnah saying, she does not view spren as god/s. Actually back to the OP's original statement. Upon finding out The Almighty is dead, but the entity very much existed, what does she profess? This was enumerated in the meeting with Kaladin, Shallan, Jasnah, Navani, and Renarin. Kaladin stated the Almighty is dead. This was at the beginning of Oathbringer. Later on Jasnah has the confrontation with Amaram, and Jasnah professes she has no beliefs. Amaram still calls her a heretic. So personally, from what I read of the order, we saw what would happen with Jasnah. It occurred in Oathbringer. Nothing (to me) happened at the end of the novel to change that. There wasn't any bit of new information. Tanavast being dead was told to Jasnah at the beginning of Oathbringer, and she said she was an atheist all the way through.

Sorry, to clarify, Jasnah said that in view of the Vorin definition of the Almighty (all powerful, one god), that it could potentially just as easily be a powerful spren that exists, like the nightwatcher or perhaps the stormfather. The WoB says that if the rosharans knew what the shards are, (defined by brandon as investiture that is alive), then they would term is spren, which Rosharans define as investiture that is alive. And that Brandon confirms that would stand for Adonalsium as well. So personally, for myself, I do not take it as Jasnah defying typical Rosharan beliefs. It would be Jasnah, supporting the scientific evidence she had already researched and applied in the very conversation she had with Shallan. Which would be the Almighty, Honor, Adonalsium could be just very powerful spren. She then finishes that quote stating she would not call that being god nor worship it. My intention was just to clarify that I do not personally believe that Jasnah would need to disagree with spren being defined as investiture that is alive because she defies Rosharan's beliefs. More, to me, spren defined as investiture that is alive would be generally accepted scientific and scholarly research. Edit:further when i keep saying "to me", i mean that to convey that was my reading of the quote. Not trying to sound like by saying to me, it is the only correct reading, or i read it any better than anyone else

I guess, but we have a quote of her saying that she does not see spren as god, and the example she used (the stormfather), is bonded to dalinar now, and Jasnah does not view nor treat, nor call him as god. Further she herself is bonded to a spren and she does not view, treat, or call herself a god. And per Brandon Rosharans would view Adonalsium as a spren. So to Jasnah I do not think there would be a blurring. For her it would not be god. But to be clear I am not saying you cannot think of those entities as god. Just the quotes lead me to believe she would not.

Just two things if a may: Don't know if Secret History still requires spoilers: Could over time Kelsier grow to respect Elend? Maybe? But from that reaction, to me, had Kelsier been alive when they decided to pick Elend, I do not think Kelsier would have stood by and let it happen. I think, personally, he would have attacked Elend, and then Vin trying to protect Elend, would have resulted in a fight between them. Going off the annotations, Breeze at least genuinely believes that his life would be in danger from Kelsier if Kelsier was informed that Breeze was a pure blood. to clarify, not saying you are wrong to believe as you do. Just bringing up references I saw that led me to believe as I do. Totally respect your thoughts and your right to have them.

Via this WoB, we know it is not a bondsmith blade, and there is a reason all 10 glyphs were on that, but he wouldn't say why. (not saying the WoB I posted is disproving or proving anything you wrote. just adding more info. Questioner And there's one last question if I may: I'm really into swords and such. I couldn't help but notice king Elhokar's Blade. It's just... All the others are ornamented, and they may have some glyphs, but it is the only one where it is explicitly it is told that there are ten fundamental glyphs on it which are the glyphs of the orders. I read some of the chapters from Dalinar from Unfettered II, and I know how he got it for Elhokar. Is there also some more backstory to this Blade? Brandon Sanderson There's a backstory to every Blade and every one of them is special, that's the problem. But I will be exploring the origins of some of the Blades. Eventually. Not a ton, but a little bit. Questioner As it is ornamented in such a way... Could it be related to a Bondsmith? Brandon Sanderson Bondsmiths didn't have Blades. Questioner All of them? It's just... Maybe it was just the Stormfather... Brandon Sanderson No. That's a really good guess. Really good guess. I'm gonna RAFO Bondsmiths because you gonna learn a lot about them in the next book because it's the Bondsmith's book. That's a really good theory, but it's not true. Questioner But maybe there is at least something to it. Brandon Sanderson But there's a reason to it, why it has all the 10 orders. Leipzig Book Fair (March 24, 2017) As to what happened to Elhokar's blade, this could be part of the (Rhythm of War back spoilers)

I guess my question is what made Renarin a clear and present threat, while Aesudean was not?

A windrunner can still change their gravitational pull in a closed terrain as an open one. Placing the battlefield in a closed terrain may increase a mistborn's maneuverability, but I do not think by proxy it would limit the windrunners. The windrunner can still cut through the terrain with their blade, smash through it with their plate, or redirect it with their surges. Other radiants would have further capabilities. Now if this is in reference to atium, that the windrunner could not get far enough away from the atium user for the atium to run out, my next thought is punching a hole through whatever structure they are in, and thereby attain that height to clarify I am not saying a windrunner would curb stomp a mistborn. I am not saying that the mistborn's maneuverability in that circumstance would be useless. I am not saying you are wrong to mention the maneuverability. I am just mentioning that I think there are additional traits for a radiant that the increase of maneuverability for a mistborn would lean towards victory. In my opinion. Anytime one side must protect something while fighting, it leaves that side at a handicap. The attacking side can try and fail 100s of times, but they only need to succeed once. The defending side can succeed 100s of times, but only need to fail once. So for a single individual to cover multiple angles of attack (from above, left, right, front and back) because Dalinar is out in the open, and the opponents can fly, would (to me) significantly put a hamper on kaladin's offensive capabilities in defeating Amaram.

I fear Brandon changing his vision. I got into Brandon's books because of his interesting worldbuilding, magic systems, and characters. I have very much enjoyed Way of Kings, Words of Radiance, and Oathbringer. I hope Brandon keeps to his passion.

“They will try,” Jasnah said, “to define you by something you are not. Don’t let them. I can be a scholar, a woman, a historian, a Radiant. People will still try to classify me by the thing that makes me an outsider. They want, ironically, the thing I don’t do or believe to be the prime marker of my identity. I have always rejected that, and will continue to do so.” She reached over and put her freehand on his arm. “You are not a heretic, Dalinar Kholin. You are a king, a Radiant, and a father. You are a man with complicated beliefs, who does not accept everything you are told. You decide how you are defined. Don’t surrender that to them. They will gleefully take the chance to define you, if you allow it.”

If I am misunderstanding, I readily acknowledge. I just thought reading what you wrote above, that the difference between the third and fourth oath in regards to Renarin is that had Jasnah been at the third oath, then based on the evidence she had, she should have killed him. But Jasnah having progressed to the fourth oath and dealing with fairness when she approached Renarin did not. Jasnah had evidence that Aesudean should die. In WoB Jasnah felt Aesudean was a threat to her family. So I thought the third oath would mean she would have had to kill Aesudean. That if she attained the fourth oath, she wouldn't. To clarify, I am not trying to be obtuse. I am not trying to disprove your theory on the oaths. I am not saying your theory is wrong. I am just asking questions from what I read of your theory.

All this means for me is I cannot wait till more cross overs happen and more mechanics are revealed. Radiants are "anime" enough (giant swords, power armor, magical abilities), now imagine a radiant that can soulcast bullets from the air, and then fire them with a push.

I guess then my question is what is considered "helping" enough to be considered the "enemy"? Being born into that country? If a child is very young (I think there were children as young as 8 or younger doing work. childhood as we understand it today is a new concept), and their parents teach that child to sew uniforms to help the house hold earn money. That child is helping the war effort. They do not understand how they are helping the war effort. They are not making uniforms with the intention of helping the war effort. They are making uniforms for mommy and daddy because it helps them eat. Should that child die? Ham, Clubs and Breeze and even Kelsier himself calls this into question. Ham and Clubs were soldiers in the Lord Ruler's army. By Kelsier's logic, they should have been killed. By their own, they only did what they could to exist, and raise a family. The guard to the noble's manor isn't trying to keep the skaa down. He is doing a job so he can exist. But to Kelsier he is the enemy that supports the system and deserves to die. And he did in fact kill them. Vin chose not to, and that ultimately resulted in saving the world. Now I am not equating sparing a life to saving the world, that is an extreme example but again for myself it calls into question what makes someone be considered "helping" the enemy? Breeze is a noble. He is pure blood. He is Kelsier's friend, and trusted confidant, but deep down knows he has to hide that he is actually a noble, because he fears Kelsier would kill him for that knowledge alone. Kelsier's trusted and good friend. Knifed because of his blood. Kelsier has skaa blood in him to dilute the noble blood, so does that skaa blood mean he is not helping the enemy? But Vin says they aren't skaa. They are nobles. Kelsier was raised in a noble's manor, a noble's home. Shouldn't he die? He grew up in the system. The only difference is he was not legitimized, and him and Marsh fled before they were caught. But they never lived like skaa. Like Vin did. Kelsier benefited off the system. He stole from it and lived quite well. Is that not supporting the system? Should he not die? edit: to clarify, I am not saying you yourself @Kingsdaughter613 are saying these people should die. Kelsier rationalized it that way. So if understanding Kelsier means that helping the war effort equates being the enemy, and being the enemy for Kelsier equates death, then I ask what equated helping the war effort enough to be equated an enemy, which by Kelsier would equate death

Yeah that's the hiccup I come up against. Changing the "gateway" to feruchemical gold for a ferring gets you gold, and you store in gold. If you are a full born, you can do that for steel and steel, gold and gold, and so on. One ability to one ability. Steel doesn't give any other ability than allomantic or feruchemical steel. But for a radiant, the spren gives them a plethora of abilities. Bond an inkspren and you get transformation, transportation, regeneration, increased speed, durability, a degree of strength increase, armor and a blade (depending on oath level. let us assume in this case a 5th oath radiant). So would hacking the system mean each time you have to chose what it does? Like :::burn steel for soulcasting::::, then ::::burn steel for transportation::::. But if that is the case, what happens with the abilities from stormlight which is the original fuel for the surges? Do you have to :::burn steel for healing::::: then :::burn steel for speed::::, or does it all just happen? :::burn steel for regeneration, speed, durability, strength::::. Sorry just musing. This very well could not work whatsoever.

I like it. That Glys was a dead eye, that Sja-anat added something to bring it back to "life". Since the investiture was "different", Glys is "corrupted". (I am using a lot of quotes because a spren is not truly dead, to be brought truly back to life, and all investiture is ultimately investiture, but one investiture has a different shard, or manifestation than another, and corruption to Brandon in some cases it just when one shard co-opts another shards magic/investiture). That could explain why Glys would be ok with being corrupted, and why Sja-anat says regarding the oathgate she has never "enlightened" something of that scale before. Glys was "dead" and "missing something" so it would potentially not be at the same scale as the oathgate spren. Also would explain why the Ghostbloods want her. So she can revive blades for them, and give them unique spren/powers to bond. We don't know after all what oaths Renarin's form of truthwatcher takes. Could be completely different, looser, or no oaths at all. Also would be a great moment for Renarin and Adolin. Realizing Glys was dead, and how he came back. Giving Maya this option, and then I think either way it goes it could be really compelling, her either saying yes, or saying no.

I think these all are some great possibilities!

No problem. Sorry I gave that impression. Also it makes me wonder if by using compounding as a rule brick, would the allomantic power be turned directly into soulcasting and only soulcasting (i.e. whatever power the radiant chooses it to fuel, so could be transportation as well), or could it also be converted into stormlight? What I mean by this question is that with compounding it gets turned into feruchemical healing for instance right? The amount is far more than it would be normally, and that can then be funneled into gold metal minds for storage. So would using allomancy to fuel radiancy result in it only fueling whatever power is used at that time? So that power would theoretically be limited by what ever investiture amount is produced in that moment (allomancy you can only flare so high, before you plateau). But feruchemy you can keep feeding and feeding something as long as you have enough to feed. So would that limit soulcasting, or empower it? Could the radiant funnel any excess to gemstones to inhale later? Just some thoughts I had

Sorry to clarify. I got the impression that the third oath was being presented as a continual thing. Jasnah elected to pay the assassin to observe Aesudean. So that (my impression) was a continual thing. So the progression to me based on those oaths and how they were presented, would be that when Jasnah attained the third oath, she would have had the assassin kill Aesudean. The assassin was still watching Aesudean, and Aesudean was still a threat. Otherwise she would have been breaking the third oath. Also to clarify, not writing this to be critical of the theory, or say it is wrong. Also not saying what I am saying is negating the theory. Just it was something I was pondering so thought to bring up.

But at that point in the story Vin was not a friend. She was a stranger. Kelsier had no attachment to her at that point.

Genuine question I hope you can clarify. If Kelsier is good because he allows Vin to leave despite knowing what he is planning, which would leave him vulnerable, and her potentially revealing his plans, as well as he holds this practice with others, not just Vin (I believe that point was mentioned in a post some where above), then why is Kelsier killing because it is unwise for him to appear weak or letting untrustworthy people live (the people he let go despite telling them his plans)? Ok I think I wrote that poorly If we cannot judge Kelsier via Western middle-class standards in regards to who he does kill, because he is a crime lord and wanted man, so if he lets them live then it makes him appear weak and letting untrustworthy people live is not a wise course of action. Then should Kelsier have not also killed Vin and the others? Further if by the metric that Kelsier not killing Vin and the others despite it making him weak, and letting untrustworthy people live is not a wise course of action shows Kelsier is good. Then wouldn't those he kills for those reasons show he is evil?