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Hurt Tyn, heal mraize 2. The Lord Ruler- 14 5. Ruin- 21 9. Bleeder- 14 15. Taravangian- 17 19. Mraize- 27 20. Tyn- 7

Well unless the third race looks exactly like humans, we can rule out Leras and Ati as we see their bodies. True the dragons of the cosmere could potentially shape shift, but death tends to be the universal returner to original forms

Hurt Tyn, heal Mraize 2. The Lord Ruler- 14 5. Ruin- 20 9. Bleeder- 14 15. Taravangian- 16 19. Mraize- 27 20. Tyn- 9

There is a WoB that state that just because a character has a PoV chapter, does not mean that character is either still alive, or will remain alive. So a character could die earlier in the series, but later on receive a PoV chapter.

Although this isn't conclusive evidence against your theory, these are the reasons I am personally leaning against it. The reason for the comment on the odd night to meet, was due to the successful signing of the treaty. Usually you assassinate someone prior to a treaty being signed as you are trying to prevent it. I believe that was also to highlight why everyone was so confused as to why the Parshendi had Gavilar killed right after the signing. Liss was known as the weeper because she gouged out the eyes of her victims. The revealed reason for this was to hide the burned out eyes of those she killed through use of a shardblade. Jasnah also comments asking where her last assistant is and Liss winces. In the convo it is revealed she sold the servant to a slaver for being too good a servant and creepy "that shin fellow was." and shivered. This implies to me that she had owned Szeth at one point and used him to kill her targets with his honorblade, hence the burned out eyes. If she was the Herald Vedel, then like Nale, she would know that was Jezerien's honor blade and I do not think would be so squeamish. Then again, I have no proof as to why a herald wouldn't be squeamish dealing with Szeth or she could be acting. Just doesn't fit right for me given those pieces of info.

So what I recalled was right and wrong at the same time, please see the quote below: Mistborn page 47 Kelsier nodded. "Trace minerals in the water can be burned, if just for a tiny bit of power. That's one of the reasons the Lord Ruler built his city here - lots of metals in the ground." So she drank the water, and burned the minerals in the water. So still in the stomach. Just wasn't the plates, forks, cups that I recalled.

So as usual I have trouble locating WoB in the interview database but I believe Oversleep is referring to a WoB that stated the manifestation of the magic was determined by planet, not by shard. So Scadrial is all about metal. If Odium invested himself into that planet, his magic would involve metals. He would have a god metal. Same with other planets. Yes they decide how invested they want to be. Yes they in some cases decide who even gets to have the power, but one dealing with metals, while another colors, while another gem stones is planet determined, no current shard determined.

Vin was burning the trace metals she would ingest when eating from metal plates, with metal forks and knives, and metal cups. So it was still in her stomach, not her blood stream. Basically it is like getting lead poisoning from eating from old style silverware, but in her case it was beneficial.

Last WoB I heard regarding the subject is that we have not seen voidbinding yet, so stormform is not a voidbringer form. It is possibly a precursor to summon the storm that brings the actual voidbringer forms.

Hurt Hrathen, heal Mraize 1. Hrathen- 2 2. The Lord Ruler- 15 5. Ruin- 19 9. Bleeder- 14 15. Taravangian- 16 19. Mraize- 25 20. Tyn- 9

Hurt Szeth, heal Mraize. 1. Hrathen- 8 2. The Lord Ruler- 17 5. Ruin- 8 7. Miles- 6 9. Bleeder- 10 10. Denth- 7 12. Odium- 6 15. Taravangian- 14 18. Szeth- 3 19. Mraize- 11 20. Tyn- 10

Nevada begs to differ, but this can all be discussed further when I post the thread I mentioned. Otherwise this is going to continue to go back and forth taking away from the point of the current thread.

Hurt Szeth, heal Mraize. 1. Hrathen- 8 2. The Lord Ruler- 16 5. Ruin- 7 7. Miles- 7 9. Bleeder- 10 10. Denth- 9 12. Odium- 6 15. Taravangian- 13 18. Szeth- 4 19. Mraize- 10 20. Tyn- 9

Heal Mraize, Hurt Szeth 1. Hrathen- 7 2. The Lord Ruler- 16 5. Ruin- 6 7. Miles- 7 9. Bleeder- 10 10. Denth- 10 12. Odium- 6 15. Taravangian- 13 18. Szeth- 5 19. Mraize- 10 20. Tyn- 9

Hurt Szeth, heal Mraize 1. Hrathen- 7 2. The Lord Ruler- 18 5. Ruin- 5 7. Miles- 8 9. Bleeder- 9 10. Denth- 11 12. Odium- 6 15. Taravangian- 11 18. Szeth- 6 19. Mraize- 9 20. Tyn- 9

Just posting to clarify one thing for Maxal, and then I will stop so the thread will stop being derailed. So the attorney misrepresented what he meant by poison is always 1st degree murder. What it actually means is if you kill someone with poison, and you are found guilty, the charge would be 1st degree. Not anytime you use poison its murder. Do you see the difference now? I did some research and although the poster never says what state he is from, it appears he is from california. What he is referencing is a class of weapons or occurrences that if found guilty would be considered 1st degree. They impliments/instances listed are as follows: The means of killing that qualify a homicide as first degree murder include weapons of mass destruction, bombs or explosive devices, armor-piercing ammunition, poison, and firearms shot from a motor vehicle. Homicide is defined as the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another. So as I said, if you are already proven guilty of homicide, they then determine the level hence 1st degree, 2nd degree and so on. If you were convicted of homicide and used the above listed means then it would be considered 1st degree. This is in regards to California state law. The poster goes on to say in comment 120 that you referenced that Shallan was still under the affect of her snapping, and the issue would be convincing the jury that she was still under the affect of said snapping after the "break" of cooling down. As I said the main reason for this post was to explain the misunderstanding in regards to the poison as a murder weapon and "always" being considered 1st degree. I will go into all this and more in depth with my post (i am contemplating calling it "Law and Order: Radiant Unit, Stormlight Edition lol), so given the scope it may take me a bit, but I am optimistic. Now back to our regularly scheduled program, er I mean thread.

so far i have jasnah's and shallan's scene all typed up. Then its adolin and the laws and research into what laws are mentioned in the book. I am going to present modern US/NY law, then possible Alethi/Kharbanthi/Jah Kaved law (drawing from in book references, and legal precedent in earth medieval society), and finally based on what we know, how nale would react. Preliminary research does support your assertion. The regional head would adjudicate. Given there is no forensics during that time period, witness testimony would largely be relied on. The guards and servants were separate from the family due to a high storm occurring so Malise would be discovered after the fact. Hopefully by tomorrow I will have the post ready to start a new thread, and will link it here for any who are curious.

Makes sense considering Elend (the name) is german, so i would lean towards that assumption

But they do have mines for materials. Lin used the soulcaster to make deposits to mine. If such naturally occurring deposits were un-natural, then the general populace would know something was up/going on.

As ye olde saying goes "the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference"

Since this has come up in various threads, what I may do (time permitting), is tomorrow post a new thread and quote Jasnah's, Shallan's, and Adolin's full "crime scenes" and how it happened verbatim from the books. Then include at least in regard to US/NY state, what laws what would apply (murder, self defense, etc). Finally I would interpret it based on my own knowledge of the law how those laws would apply to those cases. Then having all the info in one place, people could contribute their views and knowledge. That way we are all starting from the same knowledge base instead of trying to recall the scenes. What do you all think? Worth it?

i dont have much time to respond in full so that will have to wait till tomorrow, but can i ask what state this attorney practices? Here is NY state penal law sub section 35.15 shown below (bolded for emphases): 1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself, herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person, unless: (a) The latter's conduct was provoked by the actor with intent to cause physical injury to another person;  or (b) The actor was the initial aggressor;  except that in such case the use of physical force is nevertheless justifiable if the actor has withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing the incident by the use or threatened imminent use of unlawful physical force;  or (c) The physical force involved is the product of a combat by agreement not specifically authorized by law. 2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless: (a) The actor reasonably believes that such other person is using or about to use deadly physical force.  Even in such case, however, the actor may not use deadly physical force if he or she knows that with complete personal safety, to oneself and others he or she may avoid the necessity of so doing by retreating;  except that the actor is under no duty to retreat if he or she is: (i) in his or her dwelling and not the initial aggressor;  or (ii) a police officer or peace officer or a person assisting a police officer or a peace officer at the latter's direction, acting pursuant to section 35.30;  or (b) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing or attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible criminal sexual act or robbery;  or (c) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary, and the circumstances are such that the use of deadly physical force is authorized by subdivision three of section 35.20. so in summation at least in regards to NY state law (once you let me know the state this attorney practices, i can confirm that law as well), you cannot kill someone except when your life is in imminent danger assuming you did not provoke the attack, was not the initial aggressor (first to threaten or enact lethal bodily harm), were not partaking in a product of combat that is illegal (so illegal bare knuckle boxing).

1) although this is a very loose response on my part, it could be that the assumption is that it has to be during highstorms, when truthwatchers don't have to. It just appeared to coincide with Dalinar's and Renarin did not seek to correct them due to fear and embarrassment. quite the stretch I know, but like i said just spitballing 2) true, it requires dalinar to have the vision where Renarin made the markings earlier. So that would be an additional roll of the dice each time. 3) maybe didn't want more people to find out? The marks were already discovered by his immediate family, his father already having visions. someone who is scared and took the easy way out would let the status quo continue with his father taking the blame. if he marked elsewhere, others may find out about the marks. only dalinar's visions are common knowledge at that point, not the marks 4) this was answered regarding number 3 5) i mentioned that earlier. I was positing that Dalinar's knife happened to be near by when Renarin had a vision and he used it. Dalinar thinking nothing of it at the time, picked it back up and had it the rest of the day. he didn't make the connection, because when they saw the carvings, was much later and his knife was on him then. 6) Honestly I do not recall enough to respond. I think it was then that they discovered the visions were on repeat and they might have recorded enough that they didn't need to continue. If for instance he gets 10 visions, that start over the 11th time, then Navani would only need to record those 10, and then spend the rest of the time focusing on decoding the 10 she recorded. That is my best guess Basically I realize how utterly flimsy my idea is lol. Any responses are stretches in an attempt to rationalize it, and maybe, just maybe, something in the process ends up making sense lol.

Although a good point, I could say that he has been seen having fits. Everyone just attributes it to his "blood disease". Now true, this would rely on every time his "fit" manifests as writing on the wall being with no one around, but I think it is possible. I agree, you are correct, it is a stretch, but I was just trying to spit ball and see what stuck lol. Regarding your response on legality. Kaladin was made a slave illegally. Nale does seem to have a beyond normal capability to find out a person's every dirty secret (evidenced by Ym). Since Kaladin being made a slave was unlawful, it would be more akin to him trying to escape kidnapping or unlawful imprisonment. So his fleeing would not be illegal. This is why I clarified Alethi and Karbarthian. We could debate about it back and forth, but from what I have seen, although assassination is "frowned" upon, it isn't illegal. As well as although she had foreknowledge, she did kill the thugs in self defense. Shallan killed her parents in self defense. Dalinar killed while at war. Twisted as it may be, killing during combat is seen as a part of war, not illegal. Now again, we could debate and go back and forth (as we have in the past in other threads lol), but that is my theory at least. As per the laws in world, nothing they did was illegal, so he had no cause to seek them out. But I respect that your views are different on the subject. edit: regarding Jasnah and assassinations, I just remembered, she had the assassin on retainer if someone else tried to hire them. She had a standing contact that if anyone hired an assassin to kill her or the royal family, she would pay better. She also had a contract pending for the queen, but did not follow through. So now I have to ask, have we ever seen Jasnah actually have any assassin carry out an assassination?