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Hurt Tyn; heal Mraize 3. The Lord Ruler- 14 5. Ruin- 19 9. Bleeder- 17 15 Taravangian- 17 19. Mraize- 32 20. Tyn- 1

Can I ask where you got the indication that she had been saving up her "luck" for a week? I checked and could not locate it, so I want to make sure I am not missing anything. I was under the impression that she would eat or drink that day, and notice she had some luck. She had to be careful how much she used because it ran out so quickly and there was so little, but I never saw any indication that she gathered it over days to the small amount she had. So unless I am missing something, she could have regular drinks of water or food (or regular for someone in her situation), and would have bits of luck to use here and there. For instance when she first mentions her luck, the job occurs shortly after, so she would have time to use it.

You are correct, I just checked and Shallan mentioned it is marble deposits. Wouldn't that work in reverse? As the highstorms weaken, more crem would be deposited, so shouldn't there be more crem to the west than to the east?

Marsh stated that with practice you could, and that he was surprised that Vin caught on to something that took him (if i recall correctly) years. Vin is the exception to the rule for a lot of things lol.

And as I said this is where we agree to disagree and RAFO. I respect that that is how you interpret it. I see it differently.

Heal Mraize, Hurt Tyn 3. The Lord Ruler- 15 5. Ruin- 20 9. Bleeder- 16 15 Taravangian- 17 19. Mraize- 30 20. Tyn- 2

For copper I believe it is a bigger cloud (I believe there was a WoB for this one). For bronze it is being able to identify specific metals (like in Marsh's case), or other forms of investiture (feruchemy, surgebinding, etc. There is a WoB for this one too). this spoiler is due to you not reading the wax and wayne books. it isn't really a spoiler to the series, but it is up to you if you want to read it:

Well that leads to another problem then. If changing form is not investiture based due to lack of outside energy source, then why is stormform a voidbringer but not warform, mateform, or etc? They do not need an external energy source to maintain the form and they have unique abilities to the form. In the books it comments how some forms call the gods, or bring their attention. I posit that stormform is the form that calls them/ their attention, which results in the transformation into the voidbringers. Again I see stormform as the catalyst, and the voidbringers the result.

It comes up in the original trilogy and in the annotations. Another example of a steel savant is Kelsier. He was able to push and pull on different parts of a metal pole when normally you get a line that is the center of the mass of the metal object.

Problem is we have no information or evidence to show it isn't investiture based.

I remember what Stormgate is referencing, but don't have the capabilities to find it.

Kelsier was able to do so as well, and in his case I doubt Preservation or Ruin was meddling to make him able to do so.

Correct. The snapping, or breaking creates cracks in your spirit web for the investiture to seep in. That's why the prevailing theory (i am not sure if I recall if this was absolutely confirmed), that everyone with magical powers is "damaged" in some way or another. Same thing on Roshar, just it is spren (investiture) that fills up the cracks. That is why everyone wants to know what happened to Jasnah and Renarin in the past that made them able to get a spren, and also argue over whether or not Adolin is "damaged enough" to attract a spren. Right now the question is what level of "damage" or if you even need to be "damaged" (like it was mentioned in mistborn that high emotions, including happiness could snap you) in order to cause cracks in your spirit web for investiture. Also there seems to be a concern regarding how wide you make those cracks. One example is spook when he is a savant. He forced investiture through his cracks far more than he should, widening them till you got the result we see. But then you have Wax who is a steel savant with minimal negative affects.

Yet when Brandon changed Words of Radiance, he had Nale go from using a fabrial, to a surgebinding. That implies to me whether you use a surge via fabrial or radiant, it is still surgebinding. So a voidbringer using magic to me is voidbinding. If the stormform are voidbringers, then shooting lightning and summoning storms is voidbinding. Brandon said we have not seen voidbinding, so by that extension we have not seen the voidbringers, and by that extension the stormform are not voidbringers. The everstorm are changing them into voidbringers. They are not already. But as I said in the end we will have to agree to disagree and RAFO.

Actually feruchemical bendalloy, or a bendalloy twin born would be perfect for a sandmaster. The sandmaster uses up his body's water to fuel his sand mastery. He or she could then feasibly drink gallons of water, storing it into his bendalloy minds, and then master while tapping and master far far longer than before

Well the entire cosmere is broken down into three realms, the physical, the cognitive, and the spiritual. The physical is pretty self explanatory. The cognitive we have seen so far in the Stormlight archive where Rosharians refer to it as Shadesmar. If you have read Secret History then you have seen Scadrial's version of it. Then there is the spiritual realm. I believe there was a WoB where it stated that is where all magic resides, but don't quote me on that. So everyone in the cosmere has a "spirit web". When there are cracks made into this web, due to trauma or the very nature of that world's magic system, then investiture can fill in those cracks. The person is then considered "invested" and can use that magic system. The way hemalurgy works is you use the spike to "rip out" that person's spirit web that contains the capability to use that magic, and "staple" it to your own, gifting you with the ability. I believe everyone in the cosmere has sDNA, just whether certain abilities are inheritable I believe depends planet to planet. Scadrial is passed down. Rosharian you need to get a spren. Nathis you need to either born with breath, or have it given to you (and you cannot Return unless you were born there). I believe there is a Cosmere 101 thread that probably explains this better than I do. I have enough of a grasp to keep up with a lot of the discussions but a lot of it is still pretty over my head. Once you get into focuses, manifestations, and how nicrosil works, my eyes go blank lol.

Hurt Tyn, heal Mraize. 3. The Lord Ruler- 14 5. Ruin- 21 9. Bleeder- 16 15 Taravangian- 16 19. Mraize- 29 20. Tyn- 4

So then I have a question for you both. If we have not seen voidbinding, but according to you both we have seen voidbringers, because that is their ecology not their magic, then what is the shooting of lightning from their hands and summoning winds (both just in their hands, and the everstorm itself)? That is not magic? What would that be termed then? Brandon said we have not seen voidbinding yet, yet the individuals you both claim are the voidbringers did use magic. So what is that magic?

I read that differently. Stormform started the everstorm. You are assuming the parshmen that are going to be transformed by the everstorm are going to be transformed into stormform, and that by extension due to the quote means they are voidbringers. You leave out that the storm could transform the parshmen into the actual voidbringers which is of a different form than storm. Basically this time around, the stormform summons the storm, that transformed the existing parshmen into the voidbringers of old. In the end we just differ on interpretations. It is not conclusive for either view.

Sorry to be a buzzkill, but two post rule. You have to wait till a second person posts before you can

Gotcha, so it was the second one I said. That is where I got confused. Personally I still disagree, but I respect your opinion. Guess we will have to RAFO

Sorry I am still kind of lost as to your point. Are you adding information to support what I wrote that stormform is not voidbinding? Or are you saying because of it being part of the ecology, it is a voidform, but not voidbinding which explains why the WoB was worded the way it was? Not to sound rude but I do not understand how I was in error in what I referred to earlier. I am genuinely confused.

I am not the best person to explain this, as there is a lot to it, spiritual i believe (if i recall correctly, so please someone help me out), is your link to your magic. so yes, no matter what planet you are from in the cosmere, you have spiritual dna. It does not always mean you can use the magic, just that you have the sDNA linked up to that particular magic system. Now how it exactly applies to someone like Iyatil : i have no idea.

to the first part i was responding to them being called voidbinding. on other planets the magic is an inherent part of the biology/ecology of the native life forms so i do not think that necessarily precludes it from being thought as "magical". true, the terminology should have been more explicit. sorry about that!

It was commented in world that a dark eyes and a light eyes marrying could have a light eyes child, or a dark eyes child, or occasionally a child with one light eye and one dark eye. sDNA is referring to spiritual dna which typically has to deal with what magic system you have access to (what planet you were born on, etc).