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So my other question at the midnight release was an interesting one (see Bavadin's Intent on the Cosmere Theories thread for the most exciting one - I'll post a link when I'm not on mobile). I asked why Vin's earring didn't lose its charge, and in return got a more detailed explanation of Hemalurgic decay. So, we were right about it being exponential decay, with half-lives and stuff. This means that there is a rather large initial power loss after it is taken out of a body. But the half-life is long enough that you could leave it out for a decade like Vin did and still have a noticeable power boost from the spike. And taking it in and out constantly is a good help to staving off significant power loss. If you leave the spike out for centuries, it will decay until it's almost powerless like wax's earring, though, so the lower asymptote is most likely zero.
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So, I just got out of the midnight release event, and I asked Brandon what the intent of Bavadin's shard is. After conversing with Isaac, he was willing to release it. Bavadin's Intent is Autonomy
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Who is going to be at the midnight release?
Seonid replied to Peng the Just's topic in Events and Signings
Here! Met Wilson, Newan, Slowswift, Rubix, and firstRainbowRose so far! -
Who is going to be at the midnight release?
Seonid replied to Peng the Just's topic in Events and Signings
When are folks going to show up and where are they meeting? -
RP time: Sheon Idris found himself in a cavern on First of the Sun, listening as the sound of the angry mob of shards approached. In his hands, he held a crown, magnificently wrought of good and steel, with traceries of cold vines and flowers. He had had it commissioned personally in Arelon. No other ruler had ever worn it. None other ever would. On the inside of the ring of metal was etched a single word. Unforgiven. He traced his left palm with his fingers, feeling the matching brand burned into his skin. A permanent reminder of his failure in Arelon. A permanent reminder of his blood-debt to the family if his predecessor. He could hear the mob closing in, could hear the foul labels being thrown at him. "Traitor!" "Leech!" "Warmonger!" He shook his head wearily, tears tracing their way down his cheek. How could they think him capable of such things? How could they think it possible that he would betray the house of Kiireon? He had failed them in Arelon, had fallen asleep on watch and the queen had died for it, fallen to the hands of cultists. He had failed again today, watching as her scion expired, dead at the hands of Odium. No matter that Wilkin had wanted to die. No matter that he had been directly ordered to protect another. The failure still lay squarely on his shoulders. Unforgiven With a flick of his hand and a pinch of dust, he formed the regal face of the one-time queen of Arelon. Gee whistled a low note, grateful for his perfect pitch. A bird responded almost instantly, chirping inquisitively. Interesting creatures, these, native to only this one small island on First of the Sun. They seemed to pop in and out of existence at the most inopportune times. But when he has realized that they traveled back and forth between this island and the Spiritual Realm, well, he had certainly seem their usefulness. And made certain that nobody but himself would ever find them. He put out his wrist, which the little grey bird landed on, and whispered low in its ear. "To Kiireon: Wilkin is dead. Died well, to the Lord of Hate. Debt remains. Faithful to the end. Sheon." With a nod of understanding, the bird took off, disappearing as suddenly as it had come. The bickering shards were closer now, almost to the mouth of the cave. He could hear the nasal tenor of endowment, the gruff bass of cultivation, and even the booming voice of Odium himself. Echoing slightly through the caves was the mocking voice of survival. But over them all cut the suave voice of the one who had once held preservation. Placing the burdensome crown on his head, he whispered softly to his sword, feeling investiture drain from him. "Protect me," he said, and walked out to meet his false accusers. They stood in a semicircle just outside the mouth of the cave, The Stick at their front. "Hoid, you stand hereby accused of treason against the Coalition of Shards. How do you plead?" Bitter laughter escaped him then, but he did, looking at his accusers, his eyes defiant in his tear-stained face. "So is this what my service comes to? Is this what all my pain and sweat and tears on your behalf has come to?" His voice shook with gathering rage. Turning to the stick, he added "And our collaboration? Does that mean nothing to you? Is that ask I have been to you? A tool to be discarded when I have outlived my usefulness? And I thought we were friends. But I see you clearly now. The Shards of Adonalsium care nothing for any but themselves. It is all about power with them. If you have to little, you are crushed against them, too much and you earn their fear, and they move to tear you down. Nothing else matters." The wind began to rise as his words grew louder, investiture shining from his skin in the light of the Sun as it dropped below the clouds. "I have not ever, nor will I, side with the Lord of Hate. The blood debt I bear weighs too heavy on me. But your insolence shows you certainly know how to jump on the scales." The wind howled as he continued, shouting now. "How dare you? How dare you! Do what you will now, but I will be your toy no longer. There will come a day, and you will mark my words, when Odium stands at your own door to knock it down. And at that day, you will look for me and my aid. You will look for it and you will remember this day, how you did his own work for him. You will look for me, but I will not be there. You will search for me, but Kiireon as my witness, I. Will. Not. Come!" The last words came out in a booming crash as lightning struck the top of the mountain. The storm broke, rain starting to come down in torrents. And Hoid was gone in a flash of light, leaving the gathered Shards alone. On another world, in another place, Sheon/Hoid knelt in a circle of frost, tears streaming unchecked down his face. "I'm sorry Kiireon," he whispered. "I've sworn falsely in your name. I said I wouldn't cone to them, but I have a blood debt for Wilkin. And Odium will pay it. Even if it means working with those sorry excuses for shards, who are not worthy of a fraction of the power they hold. Odium will perish. I swear it. By Wilkin's grave and your own tomb in Arelon, I swear it."
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New information - Joe just confirmed to me that my ability to invest cannot be roleblocked. I feel like an idiot for not noticing this earlier (no investment can ever be roleblocked). So Ruin is not lying, and Mail may not be as well. Joe also added that investment can be redirected. Stink, did you or did you not redirect my actions last night? And if so, did you redirect to Mailliw? If Raven has given up Dominion to Stink, then that changes what happened last night.
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Raven. Clanky. I'll take your analysis, Kipper. I have reason to trust you, even if you don't trust me. You'll find I'm innocent, and when we lynch Clanky, we win. In fact, why not do it today? If you're so sure that it has to be one of us, I don't see how it matters whether you get rid of my second life before or after killing Clanky.
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Kipper, as far as I am aware, you cannot roleblock specific actions. Ruin's ability roleblocks everything the target does. So Ruin couldn't have just roleblocked my own roleblock - they instead roleblocked all of my actions. EDIT: Joe, tell me if I'm wrong...
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Mail, why did you vote for Kipper?
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Who is going to be at the midnight release?
Seonid replied to Peng the Just's topic in Events and Signings
Excellent. Do I need a permit or anything? -
Who is going to be at the midnight release?
Seonid replied to Peng the Just's topic in Events and Signings
I'll be there. First time as well. Actually, quick question, is there parking for the event? -
Because I've said everything that could be said. I'm Team Neutral, on my way to turning Team Good. All of the information that could possible be useful to the village is out in the thread. I've held back only where Honor is and where Lopen left his Lifeless, because that could be useful in foiling the OC's plans. Another point to bring up - one innocent village member will be invested by Odium tonight or else Odium won't be able to use their kill. Unfortunately, the investment kill can't harm Odium. If you really want to get rid of me, use it on me tonight. I can almost guarantee I'll be roleblocked, so my lashing won't be able to block it. Then you'll know I wasn't lying. On that note, Mail, would you please refrain from investing in me tonight? I rather suspect I'm going to die, and I'd rather not die Neutral. I hope you can understand that. I'd appreciate a PM with Clanky as much as he'd like one with me. Would Cultivation set that up please? A final point - Surgebound is inactive. So our numbers are really 4 good, 2 neutral, 1 evil, (1 inactive). Watch out for that. If Mail switches, the numbers turn to the village losing the lynch a lot faster than you think they do. A final note: I don't know what turned Kipper against me. He's never articulated his suspicions. Clanky I can understand. I'd like it if Kipper would enumerate the full list of his grievances against me.
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He claims he didn't. Which means that I must have been roleblocked last night, except that Clanky says he didn't do that. Which nabs that one of the three of us are lying out that Clanky gave up ruin to someone who roleblocked me. Which is possible. And if it happened, then it would be nice if somebody would confirm it. At least to Kipper, who can apparently still get PMs. And Kipper, my information doesn't help the village at all? When we can lynch the last Odium's Champion today, before they can use it? When between us we have our should have enough information to clear everyone except one? When this would be the last cycle of the game if everyone weren't so intent on lynching me? Unwise, sure. A mistake, probably. But completely unhelpful? Give me some credit here.
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EDIT: Sorry, hit post twice
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Stink, I wanted to discuss this in PMs. I wanted to work this through with the people I knew I could trust. I only have a PM with Kipper, who doesn't trust me enough to say anything, or to work with me. I waited until literally everyone I knew I could trust turned against me in thread before posting my information here. My hand was essentially forced. I felt my conclusions, and the reasoning that went into them, were important enough to the village to post everything in thread. The second reason I posted everything is because I lost my patience. If I had decided to walk away and calm down before I responded, I probably wouldn't have said anything. But I didn't. False accusations hit hard for me. Especially false accusations that completely ignore relevant information, like Clanky's and Dow's.
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If not, then vote with me for raven. Or if I'm wrong there, then tell me where, and I'll vote for who needs voting.
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You know what, fine! You want everything? I'll give you everything. Here's everything I know. Stink's been Endowment long enough that he can't be Odium. Strike him from the list. Kipper claims that you are Cultivation, dow. That means that you can't hold Odium. The only two choices left are Raven and Clanky. One of them holds Preservation (unless it was given back to kipper). Since I roleblocked Clanky, that leaves Raven as the only option for the holder of Odium, which means that Clanky likely holds preservation. I won't reveal the holder of Honor, as that doesn't help us analyze. You want to know why I've been reticent? Because I didn't know where Preservation was. And I didn't know whether to trust Kipper's claim on where Cultivation was. I was going to secret vote for Raven, too, because she holds Dominion, and I didn't want her knowing that I voted for her. I was going to use my vote-change power as well, to try and get a lynch on her. Obviously, though, I'm going to need my defensive powers tonight if I want to stay alive, and I don't dare use them up.
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I claimed to roleblock you in that one too. Like I said in my post above - I've been roleblocking you for the last 3 cycles on Wilson's instructions. I'll even quote myself: Nevermind. I can't quote from a locked thread. Here's the link to my first apology. If I hadn't roleblocked you last night - and therefore knew that you couldn't have made the kills, I'd be voting for you right now. As it is, the last OC is either Raven, Stink, or dow, for reasons posted above. And lynching me is going to take two rounds that you rather desperately need to win this game. There are 8 players left - one is evil. Two, if Mail changes sides. The two rounds it takes to kill me (more, if preservation invests me again) will bring you down to 5 players left, one evil (two, if mail changes sides, and he likely will if team evil gets that close to winning. I know he's rooting for them.) At which point, a single mislynch will lose the game for you. This is not a winning proposition. If I do end up being on the lynch table this cycle, I'll drop everything I know in-thread, including where Honor, Cultivation, and Endowment are. That will be valuable for the OCs, but I hope that it will be more valuable for everyone in-thread, because it will make almost certain that you don't make that fatal mislynch after killing me.
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I may have posted above listing them in order! Also, if you remember, I admitted roleblocking you that cycle! Just like I admitted roleblocking you last night! And both were at Wilson's suggestion, as she was convinced that you were the last OC. Kipper can back me up on that, at least, for all he doesn't trust me anymore. He was in the same PM. He can see that every cycle for the past 3, Wilson has asked me to roleblock you. That was done in the open between us. Are you being willfully blind here?
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Living Players: Me (Hoid): currently Neutral, investing in Kipper this cycle to turn good. I have one extra life due to investment from Preservation earlier, and have been invested by Cultivation, Dominion, Honor, Preservation, Ruin, and Survival (repeatedly). I attempted investment in Wilson last night to re-join Team Good again, and was told at the start of this cycle that I was still neutral and that no, it wasn't because Wilson was dead. So either Mail must have invested me, contrary to his statement above, or Clanky must have roleblocked me, contrary to his statement above. I suspect that Mail is lying, because he tends to do that. Especially in this game. Kipper: One-time holder of Preservation, but gave the shard up. Has proved himself beyond doubt to be on Team Good. Mailliw: Survival. A troll. Almost certainly not officially joined Team Odium. Confirmed to have been plotting with them and to have been attempting to have worked on their side without officially joining. Asserts that it fell through and that he isn't working with them anymore. I don't believe him, but I don't think we need to kill him. Certainly, Odium is a higher priority. Surgebound Rainspren: Last I checked, hadn't been on the site since Sept. 10th. Alvron was sending in orders for inactives for a while, but Joe said that stopped 3 cycles ago, so he's off of my list. Clanky: Holder of the broken Shard of Ruin. I roleblocked him last night, so he couldn't have made the kills unless he had passed the Shard of Ruin to another holder, who roleblocked me. Possible, but unlikely. I do not believe he is the Champion of Odium. Stink: Not much to say here. Implied he held Cultivation last cycle, but has either passed it on or arbitrarily closed all PMs. I suspect passed on. Raven: Also not much to say. She holds the broken shard of Dominion. Dowanx: Also not much to say. Shards not accounted for: Honor (broken), Cultivation (whole), Endowment (whole), Preservation (whole), Odium (whole). Possible holders: Kipper, Stink, Clanky, Raven, Dowanx, Surgebound Rainspren. I'm going to strike Surgebound from that list, just because of inactivity. If new information forces a revision of that, I'll gladly do so. This leaves 5 potential holders for 5 shards. But, since Honor is broken, it could be stacked with Dominion or Ruin or both or any or both of them in addition to a whole shard. So 4 of those 5 hold shards. Kipper's good, so can't be Odium. That leaves us 4 potential holders of Odium. I roleblocked Clanky. So he almost certainly could not have made those kills. That leaves Dowanx, Raven, and Stink as the only people who can hold Odium. Cultivation, may I please have a one-on-one PM with every player in the game except Surgebound? I would be much obliged. Especially dowanx. And I don't need a new one with Kipper. Thank you very much in advance. EDIT: And if anyone wants to confess to being the new holder of the Shard of Ruin, and to roleblocking me last night, please do so, because that puts Clanky back on the suspect list.
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My story about Mail being evil? Mail's not evil. He's still Neutral (almost certainly). But he is working with the OCs. He hasn't officially switched sides, but he is or was working with them. He claims that it didn't work out. I don't believe it. Also, either Mail or Clanky is lying (or there is a vanishingly small probability that I've missed a way that my investment could be blocked...such as Clanky giving up Ruin.) Kipper, I don't know what to say other than that you've missed something. Because I am not, nor ever have been working with the OC's. I have been nothing but upfront with you and Wilson this whole game. Except for the time that Wilson suspected you right at the beginning of the game, and we made plans to switch protections around from what we had told you, just in case. That only lasted maybe one cycle or so. I get that you don't believe me. I can't change that. If you have to kill me to see, then go ahead and do it. And when I'm either good or neutral (depending on how trollish Mail is feeling - although I would hope that he wouldn't turn me neutral the round I died just to spite me and make me lose...), I hope you can still pull out a village win. More analysis to follow.
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That explains Joe's cryptic comment. I targeted Wilson last night (I forgot to invest in her the day before), and my Joe said that I was still Neutral, and it wasn't because Wilson died. Clanky, did you roleblock me? Kipper, I'm targeting you tonight with my investment. If I'm not going to get PMs, I'll have to do my strategizing and analysis here in thread. I don't have a lot of time today, so I'll post more towards the end of the cycle.
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Can I claim these parts of the northern continent in the name of the Sorukaana, their human/Skitch slaves, the Haornithi, and any other cool ideas I come up with? If that's too much, I can shrink it down a little, but since almost nobody's been claiming Northern continent stuff...
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Alright - I updated the post with the new creatures Kobold posted, along with the Lumur (although they may need tweaking per Lindel's observations - I'll watch the ongoing conversation and update as necessary) and a short profile for the snifflers, using all of the information I could find in the thread. Mek, if you have more information (in the vein of the other profiles) that you want in there, post it here and I'll put it in. Honey Badger, that's a lot of material! I love it. As soon as I have time to sort through it to find the species profiles, I'll put them in the OP as well. We're getting to the point that I may need to rearrange the organizational structure already! This is cool. When I have time for that, I will do that as well.
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Welp...that was less than I was hoping for. Wilson asked me not to protect her, but to protect a separate player instead. Looks like I should have stuck with my gut feeling there. At this point, she wanted to die, though (she stays in the running for the dodo award that way). She asked me to roleblock Clanky again this cycle, but obviously the kills went through anyways. For full disclosure, I'm Neutral again, because Mail's (still) a troll. I'm nearly certain that Mail's working with the OC's, but he hasn't joined them officially (he couldn't keep making me neutral if he had). I'd recommend killing him, but we can't afford to waste a lynch on him. If we kill another OC without winning, then we can target him with extreme prejudice. Clanky, I'm sorry. That's another set of things I should have listened to my gut about. I'd been arguing for your possible innocence to Wilson for a couple cycles, but I deferred to her judgement. If I hadn't, maybe you would have blocked phatt's kills earlier. Either way, I trust you now. There is only one Odium's Champion left, and this was the last cycle they could use the investment kill. So they are limited to one Shard-kill now. To the new Cultivation, I'd like to be in a PM with Kipper and Clanky, if that's not too presumptuous of me to ask.
