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I read you as saying that no one, flat out, has this knowledge of how those two metals work, and that no one can hope to acquire it. Versus the world of advanced physics where all the knowledge is out there already and there are several experts in the field. The WoB tells us that they know about both the existence and (to some extent) magical functions of these metals, not just their bare existence as possibilities that do who-knows-what. EDIT; Looking again, I can see how you might have been emphasizing the "place in society" aspect of it. Like how we know what antimatter does and can conceive of a lot of uses for it, but without the ability to generate or store meaningful amounts it doesn't affect anyone's life. Is this what you were getting at?

@Voidus No problem, that one took me a while to hunt down a few weeks ago. @killersquirrel That is not what the WoB says... It's rather understood there that the metals have been used Feruchemically/Allomantically at some point.

The public does know about them in the AoL era, by the way.

Honorblades do stack. Link one, link two.

Yeah, "textbook" is a metaphor. Sorry, I guess "down on paper" might have implied that I was taking it a tad literally... As you outline it it does sound a bit less complex, but still... still quite complex.

I'd like to note that Nightblood can likely eat Investiture without it necessarily having to be "filtered" through his wielder. MORE MISTBORN SPOILERS He would apparently make a game attempt at eating the mists on Scadrial on his own if he had the chance.

Re:Cosmere textbook Such a task would, in my opinion, be... non-trivial. Put aside for a moment the nigh-impossible task of keeping it consistently updated with new information as it comes out; and also put aside the difficult task of drawing a consistent line between reasonably solid speculation (which a startling amount of our "knowledge" is based on, when you get right down to it) and fact, not to mention the line between "good" speculation and bad. Beyond all of that, this would be hard to get down on paper (also put aside the need to formulate, follow, and enforce style guides if it's to be at all readable as a whole). I am, to retire my now-legendary humility for a moment, "the guy" when it comes to time bubbles. And it took me ~6 hours (IIRC) to write and edit a single medium-length exploration of the topic. This besides the thought/study and whatnot that went into it before, during, and after the process. Beyond being hard to write, this would also quite possibly be not-that-exciting to read. I'll bet you dollars to donuts (note: not an actual bet) that you (quite understandably, don't get me wrong) didn't pause for 20 minutes to read through that post I just linked to. And that's just one topic that's relatively ill-defined in books/WoB's and has little direct impact on other topics. I'll humbly play the role of Debbie Downer here, then, and suggest that such an effort is unlikely to succeed in any meaningful way given the challenges it faces and (to be somewhat harsh) how poorly the vast majority of us (myself very much included on this list) have even done contributing to our very own wiki.

Well I would think that if Hemalurgists can access the metalminds of Feruchemists they stole powers from, then you should probably still be able to access your own after only a little bit of soul-loss; this if Identity is the key of the matter. -Evidence of Hemalurgists tapping old metalminds comes way of the dubiously-canonical Mistborn Adventure Game, but it's one of those parts where you can't imagine why they'd put it in if they didn't have Brandon's blessing on it.

Welcome back, Miyabi. For a start, this thread will get you caught up on just about everything we got gotten in the Words of Radiance release tour. On a narcissistic note, here's a set of my own theories that were affected by stuff after the WoR release. Of particular note is that ideals in the spiritual realm that affect magic are a thing.

Are you quite sure, kinxer? I seem to recall a bullet coming into Wayne's bubble being deflected in AoL.

Pewter is used to steal Feruchemical Physical powers, but so far we've yet to see any "doubling up" on a metal's thefting of powers. We don't know the metal for it yet, but I doubt that it just so happens that pewter also steals the Allomantic Temporal powers. Besides that, there's the question of whether spikes might not only be able to steal one power at a time per spike.

@Outis @FallenRope As to your original intent (killing Miles), it might not be so easy. We have just recently from Brandon that Feruchemical Gold can heal back stuff that's been removed by Hemalurgy: So if you shoot our his Feruchemy, he'll just burn a metalmind to heal it back. Shoot out his Allomancy, and he'll tap existing stocks of Health. That said, if you hit an unwitting Miles and took his Feruchemy he might not be on the ball enough to be burning a metalmind directly in the instant or two he'd have before dying—perhaps it either wouldn't occur to him or he wouldn't be able to because of shock or the like. He can burn any gold piercing his body, though, so he'll probably never not have the bare opportunity...

Here's the full details on that. Source:

What Robot means to say: Source: Myself, I'm going to call this one of them there "jokes" until we have something more definitive one way or the other.

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This might be helpful (I believe it's what Voidus is referring to). Source:

Just got around to reading this. It makes a certain amount of sense, and is elegant, at the very least. It also makes answering the "how did Hoid get Feruchemy?" question easier, since by this model we don't need Hoid to have wrangled some dispensation from Preservation or do anything else we haven't seen before: he just needed to be at the Well and tap some Lerasium at the right time. So far as why he wouldn't take it then (besides obvious "someone/something would try and stop him"), we might be able to wave away Hoid doubling back for more Lerasium during the main trilogy because he thought the metal was already "spent". What idiot would swallow a hunk of metal, after all?

There is this to consider. Source:

UPDATE: We've got confirmation on the basics of this: Source: (Paraphrase)

Very nice. You've just proven one of those "everyone believes it but we have no proof yet" theories.

This thread may be of interest to you.

It's rather unfortunate that Goodreads doesn't let you expand Comments if you're not a member, but here's the entirety of what you just linked to: Source:

Hm, guess you do. Well that's obnoxious. Here's a copy of it. Sorry for the trouble.

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@Moogle I only managed to NINJAAAA you because you took the time to give a much more full/useful response than I did, so I wouldn't be too put out if I were you.