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*Bumps accidentally into thread...* This WoB on Forgery might be of interest to the discussion. Source: You slotted Forgery in as "50 Cognitive, 40 Spiritual, 10 Physical" in the OP, and also placed a lot of emphasis on the Cognitivity of Selian magics in general—emphasis which I agreed with, within the framework. How might we want to deal with this WoB saying it's the "most related to the Spiritual Realm", then?

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@Oudeis Perhaps at the least we can agree that there's enough ambiguity that the question is worth asking? The number of possible reasons for the scarring that you (and I, and a few others going back) have proposed all suggests that some clearing up may be in order. -- In regards to Kar, Shardlet is right that that's his name; he's the one that's leading the "oust the Obligators and give the Inquisitors power!" faction. He's described as "scarred" all the way up to his death at the end of FE, some time after his initial arrow-piercing; all with no mention of his "scars" changing. @Shardlet Well, of my questions here are the ones that I might think "generalizable":

Re: Brandon's mortality. -

I've never much been in favor of this "someone said 'idea'! COGNITIVE!!!!" sentiment. The Cognitive seems just so much more... transient than that. Myself I'd argue that concepts and ideas, most especially of the more abstract kind, are most probably Spiritual. Ideals and ideas and the like seem like just the kind of thing that are Spiritual, so far as I can see. And Brandon seemed pretty fine with likening the idea of Endowment contained within Breath to the ideals that spren represent: the moment I said it was like the ideals spren are based upon but "within the Breath" Brandon was jumping to say "yes" an inordinate amount of times. I'll note for one that we have even enough odds that Endowment was originally human, though I've not read Dragonsteel and so can't testify to how humanoid the 3 races on Yolen were. Either way, though, I would say that if Divine Breath healing is anything to go by we already have reason to believe that even Divine Breath incorporate specifically human ideas into them already. -- Another option I might suggest is that individual Breath from people have taken on some of their characteristics/identity or the like, so enforcing the "human-ness" of Awakened stuff. I'll leave the topic for now, though. ...I am somewhat confused. Your first set of three examples are a bit odd. For the first, I'm not sure what that really has to do with the Cognitive vs. Spiritual discussion, as the wound healing and staying healed seems a Physical thing. For the second, Savants do lose their powers when they stop burning metals. They remain Physically (and Spiritually, I believe, but I don't have a WoB on hand) distorted from the effects of savanthood, but Spook without tin was blind as a bat. What point are you attempting to make here, though? I'm not really sure what you're getting at with the third. - For the rest, you still seem off. Forgery is all about affecting "the soul" and has been recently confirmed as the single most Spiritual magic we've yet seen. I'm not sure what you're getting at with the other two examples. --- In general, also, this idea of the Cognitive as "as it should be" and the Spiritual as "as it is" sounds like an inversion of what we've been given to understand the hierarchy is. This from Shai in TES: The Spiritual sounds the more enduring of the two by this picture, and thus the one more likely to end up a tad disconnected from recently-changed reality. Now of course this raises questions of how the Cognitive can go about healing the Spiritual, especially in light of that SLCC WoB on healing, but in fact I did get around to posting that new thread I mentioned in my last reply... I am still a bit confused by what you mean by this "is" versus "should be", though, so I may just be misreading you and spouting nonsense at this juncture. ----- So you see my problem here is that I'm not sure we're on the same page with this idea of "Cognitively based effects".

One more suggestion, actually: I'd advise that you come up with one or two "general Q&A" questions you can ask; something a bit more concise, less technical, and unspoilery so that if you managed to get called on during the first part of the signing you can ask something useful and Brandon can respond in full without spoiling something in the books for the whole room. As an example, I'd lined up my "Are the laws of physics in the cosmere Spiritually-based?" question as an easily-asked/answered one when I was at the Philly signing.

@Shardlet Thanks, now we have a slightly less high chance of Brandon somehow managing to tragically misunderstand the question in the chaos of a signing. @skaa Ah, I see. My apologies for misreading you.

Good good, I wasn't sure if you'd recalled those. I agree there's still some mud in there (though I think we disagree on just how ambiguous it is, in all), so by all means do some mud-filtering. -- So onto the phrasing itself, then, as I think there is a bit of sub-optimal clarity going on: If a non-allomantically gifted person consumed half the amount of Lerasium that was in the bead Elend burned, would they be as strong a mistborn as Elend was? If a non-allomancer simultaneously burned two beads of Lerasium that were the same size as the bead Elend burned, would they be a stronger mistborn than Elend? -Not sure on this one. Does it matter for you that they're two distinct beads? If not, why not just say "a bead twice the mass of the one Elend burned" and leave it at that?

Well we have this on Lerasium + Mistborn: Source: It doesn't necessarily spell out if this "increase in their power" is simply to the base level of a Lerasium Mistborn, but this WoB suggests that you can "stack" Lerasium-burning for more power, so I would guess that burning a single bead is more "add 10 units of Preservation" then "increase their base Preservation level to exactly 11". I would think that the second WoB also applies to a muggle burning more/less Lerasium: so less Lerasium => less power. -- Also, in regards to Skaa's Lerasium-alloy question, I'd always taken this WoB to be basically saying that alloying Lerasium with any one of the "real" metals would allow you to produce the corresponding Misting. -EDIT: And, for what it's worth, that interpretation is backed up by the MAG. Usually that isn't saying much, but the two sources are rather distinct and I'd wager that this is one of those times when the MAG is actually reliable for new info.

It seems pretty definitively "scars". We also have Marsh retaining his face-scar from when Sazed Feruchemied an eyespike halfway through his head. Sazed's scars: EDIT: Though, re-reading the scene where Sazed fought Marsh, it's possible that the wounds on his stomach were only partially healed at that point: So he could have gotten scars from healing up normally after the fight, then stored up the Feruchemical gold and gotten the surgery, keeping only the original set of scars after magically healing from the surgery. I'm somewhat leery of this possibility, though. I was far more willing to accept relatively quick "this is the new normal" for scars and whatnot before Lopen went and re-grew a limb after Honor-knows how long.

Half of this is covered in WoR, as Shallan's necklace is explicitly said to be valuable because it's made of soulcast aluminium. Yeah, remember the squirrel in Warbreaker? Yes. Scadrial.

Good question! RAFO! Source:

Ah, I see. That is a bit funny. So far as the scars question goes, that is a bit of a legacy question. But still mildly interesting if you dig into the root question. The example in question was an Inquisitor forming some pretty nasty scars within minutes of getting the injury: so the scars formed as a direct result of the healing process, rather than simply being left there after some Cognitive acceptance and late-applied Feruchemical gold. And also Sazed got some surgical scars despite using Feruchemical gold to heal up. It's interesting because under the "you keep scars if you think of yourself as having them" model the Inquisitor would have had to see himself as being so-scarred from nearly the instant he received the injury. An answer could potentially illuminate us into a more freewheeling "you heal as you think you should" model or the like, versus the current "you heal to as you see yourself" model that doesn't leave much personal agency in the moment of healing. Or maybe Ruinic influence or something stepped in, but then there's Sazed's surgical scars... Ahem. It's really not the important of a question, I guess, but then I got to talking... EDIT: Forgot that Sazed also got scarred using Feruchemical gold.

@Shardlet There's no such thing as enough time bubble questions! The "Post WOR" labels are mostly for my own sake, as they're more "I came up with/ruthlessly stole these after WoR came out" than "these questions only have meaning in a post WoR world". @Moogle I see you there with your fancy bullet points...

Longish time no-see, Turos. I have a few answers for you. Though this isn't the thrust of your question, I'll note that Odium killed both Aona and Skai, as well as some unknown third shard, so your parenthetical number should be at most 13, though perhaps 12 if you're counting Harmony as having conceptually eliminated Ruin/Preservation as distinct shards. Good question. Aluminum is supremely weird... Source: EVERYWHERE!!! Source: ----- Yes and probably, given Brandon's emphasis on the chemical structure being all it is.. And they can also burn soulcast metals, fyi. The word you're probably looking for here is "drab", not "dun".

*Pulls out "Older Sharder" membership card. Smiles evilly cheerfully. * Well if you just want a general "what are questions that haven't been answered yet" list, I've kept my list updated so that nothing previously-answered is still on it. Can't guarantee they're all the most interesting/burning questions, though. List: That aside, would you mind expounding on your most recent areas of interest and perhaps we could narrow down some good/new questions from there? There might still be one or two not-RAFO-bait questions on time bubbles left.

So far as we know Feruchemy doesn't so much directly store all these "required secondary powers" as give them out for free when you tap an attribute. Source: Source: So maybe the skin strengthening could work, but I doubt it myself, just like how Wax doesn't gain bullet-resistance. The strengthening seems to only go so far as is needed to keep other things "normal" while tapping an attribute. -- Also, a general note on the MAG: it's really not to be trusted on a lot of its mechanics, as choices had to be made for gameplay reasons that aren't exactly in line with the lore.

Hold on a moment. All's not necessarily lost. If in fact such an alloy was "like bendalloy, but without the 'time' thing", that might actually prove quite useful for FTL, depending on how it worked. The way my current theories of FTL work requires some rather large oddities in that you need to establish radically different frames of references for cadmium vs. bendalloy time bubbles, but something that "compressed" space somehow without running into frame of reference shenanigans could potentially get rid of that need, and take out the biggest assumption (that you can manipulate where bubbles are "anchored" so easily) of my model.

This thread may be of interest.

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@Kevin Figured it was something like that.

Thanks for the kudos. That is a good question regarding Forging; myself I'd guess cultural reasons and/or it being slightly harder than Shai's awesomeness would imply to even do such "simple" stamps, but that's just guessing. For all I know MaiPon is full of beautifully-running cars.

You're welcome, though the name's Kurkistan: I'm not a geo-cultural region.

Perhaps. We do have a WoB that uses the word "propelled" when discussing how Allomantic-FTL spaceships would work, which suggests something to do with movement rather than just teleporting the ship about in spacetime willy-nilly. How exactly do you see this space-compression as working? So the space within the bubble is faster to traverse or what?