Shardcast: Shinovar




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Nesh

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If Urithiru was an ark, I bet Nohadon built it.  It would be... Nohadon's Ark.  I'll see myself out.

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On the different eyes of humans:

Many of the Heralds have epicanthal folds for instance Jezrien, Ash, Taln and Nale. No one in modern day looking at them remarks on them having “Shin eyes”.
 

Dalinar remarks on Jezrien looking almost Alethi in OB Ch 42. 
The only thing he found weird about Jezrien’s eyes is that they were dark.

Since the Heralds were born on Ashyn, except maybe Ash, some had epicanthal folds were on Ashyn. 
 

Maybe everyone but the pale big eyed people left or maybe people like Jezrien started the desolation and many expanded out. Some that looked like that stayed behind, but the pale big eyed people were like “this is your fault” and wiped out /exiled the ones that looked different.

It would fit with their “banish the truthless to go kill”. They punish people  by making them leave Shinovar and do a solo-desolation. 

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Great episode! I laughed so hard at everyone inserting "Sh" in front of words, which made me look insane as I shopped for groceries in this COVID-19 induced panic. 

The Stone Shamans/Shin leadership give me a lot of vibes from Mistborn:

Spoiler

Kandra leadership knowing the truth but doing nothing.

 

Maybe we haven't seen the Sibling because the Stone Shamans have bonded it somehow? Hence the "Spirits of the Stones themselves" comment? Also, I believed that Szeth bonded his first spren and they were urgently telling Szeth to sound the alarm. But since it just crossed over it couldn't explain much and so Szeth couldn't either. But I wonder how they forced him to break his bond...

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Gilphon

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On 3/14/2020 at 0:28 PM, Naurock said:

But I wonder how they forced him to break his bond...

It's possible they didn't, his bond was just repressed like Shallan's was. Which would explain why managed to get a Highspren's attention so quickly- he's always been bonded to that Highspren.

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2 hours ago, Gilphon said:

It's possible they didn't, his bond was just repressed like Shallan's was. Which would explain why managed to get a Highspren's attention so quickly- he's always been bonded to that Highspren.

That may be true. But didn't Nale's Skybreakers in Oathbringer kind of insinuate that Highspren follow their group to bond new potential recruits? I may be misremembering or just misunderstood.

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Can the shin PLEASE just stop worshiping.

like 

everything?

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Are you guys Shinsinuating that there are going to be some Shinternational problems with Dalinar sending an embassy? I really want to see Lift stealing from one of the Shamans and then having this Edgedancer fight over a pancake.

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I have two comments:

  1. "But from my perspective it's the Jedi Stone Shamans who are evil!" -Szeth-son-son-Vallano, played by Hayden ChrisShinShin
  2. Is it possible that the spirits of the stones that promised the Desolations were over were the Heralds?
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Wyndle88

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Hence Shinovar was the location humans who arrived from Ashyn were given to live in Roshar by the original inhabitants of the world, the Singers. Humans came and for a time they lived peacefully in Shinovar. Some of these humans already had a lot of power, as it is implied that Ashyn was destroyed due to uncontrolled surgebinding.

The Heralds came with these people. When humans came on Roshar, Honor and Cultivation were the Gods of the Singers and as humans came Odium came with them to Roshar.

The humans had Heralds among them. Meaning 5 men and 5 women among the people were Surgebinders. They were given the land protected by mountains ranges on both sides thus protected from the highstorm. But "when has humans ever become happy with what they were given? " Stormfather asks this of Dalinar..Roshar we know is a land of gemstones. The humans coveted the wealth of gemstones all over Roshar. 

So my theory is that the humans broke the agreement and started settling on other locations all over Roshar increasing in numbers until the humans as living in the land started to forget they were from Ashyn and thought of themselves as original inhabitants of the land.

Ishar among the Heralds is said to be of bald head and also acts as their Bondsmith in radiant terms but as per human terms a Bondsmith would be a "Shaman" who converses with their Gods. Maybe Ishar stayed back in Shinovar. Maybe the Shin keep a bald head to show respect to the Herald who stuck with the agreement. 

Desolation the word itself means to scour the land of life or being left all alone with nothing remaining. With that logic, it implies when the first one came , it would be after the switch of the Gods happened.

 

What are Gods God to? The Gods of Roshar, Honor and Cultivation, were originally the Gods of the Singers. Then one day, humans came and out of mercy for the humans they were allocated land to live in. They looked so fragile without shells to protect them from highstorms etc. Singers change form by attracting the correct Spren in a highstorm. Which humans can't do. Thus as humans increased in numbers they started worshipping Honor and Cultivation as well. 

This is what caused the swap of Gods. Earlier Odium was helping humans to take over the land, this he could do only subtly. Naturally humans wanted to expand. But once humans populated the land, Honor and Cultivation became their gods as they were the major population of the land, building large cities with Surgebinding (cymatics kabsal shows) and with their Gods help.

The singers felt betrayed as they were the original inhabitants of the land and now their own Gods have forsaken them. This shows Honor and Cultivation gave their allegiance to humans under the "Right of Conquest". But the Desolations were Odium helping the Singers to get the land back by destroying the humans thus ensuring a populace who will ensure to continue worship him as a God and also this justifies his act of killing Honor and Cultivation through the "Right of Conquest" which they themselves believe in.

So the whole situation in Roshar, looks like an intense chess game between the Shards to see who will win and who will claim the system as their own.

I know it's a lot of jumbled up theories crammed into one. But I was thinking more of a big picture way and had to cram several things into this one to make sense of the timeline.

 

Also I think the survivors of Ashyn came to Roshar via Shadesmar, hence the Guardian Spren of Oathgates refusing to transport Shallan as ordered by Parent (Honor)..  as mass human emigration was what led to Roshar being occupied in the first place screwing up the system alert set on Roshar

What do you guys think?

 

 

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