Wyndle88 he/him Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 (edited) So I was watching the sShardcast on BAM and I got this idea. What if the 3 original Spren of Roshar was Nightwatcher, Sibling and BAM. We know from Stormfather and Dalinar' conversations that Stormfather was not sentient before Honor' death. Quote During these days, Honor still lived. I was not yet fully myself. More of a storm. Less interested in men. If the Stormfather was not interested in the affairs of men then how would he create a Bondsmith in those times? So if Stormfather only gained sentience post Honor' death then originally Honor' Bondsmith was selected by some other powerful Spren. Who could it be? BAM Yes hence BAM' powers with 'Connection'...that is why Honor' Splinter chose a new Spren to reside in coz the original spren has been imprisoned. Honor must have started going mad ever since Odium managed to corrupt Honor' own Spren. What do you guys think? Edited August 24, 2021 by Wyndle88
LewsTherinTelescope Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 It's mentioned the Stormfather definitely did have Bondsmiths before. RoW 116: Quote “The Stormfather doesn’t know what to make of this,” Dalinar said. “I think he finds it strange. Apparently, his Bondsmith and the Nightwatcher’s Bondsmith sometimes had relationships, but the Sibling’s Bondsmith was always apart.” Though an interesting thing is that the Sibling was "created" after Odium's arrival, since they were made to fight Odium and to unite humans and spren.
Aspiring Writer Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 (edited) The stormfather is one of the original spren of Roshar, being there before Honor and Cultivation and even being pre-Shattering. The Silbling is the creation of Honor and Cultivation for the radiants, so they cannot be one of the originals, and the Nightwatcher is also Cultivation's creation, as it's mention how Cultivation created her Unconnected to humanity so she could develop on their own. Don't know about BAM. Also, the Stormfather was sentient pre Honor's death, just not as much as he was after claiming Honor's splinter. You assuming his sentience is an on and off when it is more of a spectrum. Edited August 24, 2021 by Aspiring Writer 1
Frustration Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 7 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said: The stormfather is one of the original spren of Roshar, being there before Honor and Cultivation and even being pre-Shattering. The Silbling is the creation of Honor and Cultivation for the radiants, so they cannot be one of the originals, and the Nightwatcher is also Cultivation's creation, as it's mention how Cultivation created her Unconnected to humanity so she could develop on their own. Don't know about BAM. Apparently most anything that can be said about the Stormfather can be said about the Nightwatcher So they are likely both pre-shattering but heavily changed
Aspiring Writer Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 26 minutes ago, Frustration said: Apparently most anything that can be said about the Stormfather can be said about the Nightwatcher So they are likely both pre-shattering but heavily changed Really? I heard Cultivation made her though. The Nightwatcher calls her mother, after all.
Frustration Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Really? I heard Cultivation made her though. The Nightwatcher calls her mother, after all. Well we aren't sure on tht point but we see this Spoiler KolinahrMaster (paraphrased) Does the Nightwatcher predate the Shattering? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) RAFO'ed on the grounds that the Nightwatcher and the Stormfather are parallel (see 1 above) and whatever he reveals about the Nightwatcher by extension spoils Oathbringer which will be heavy on Dalinar and Stormfather reveals JordanCon 2016 (April 23, 2016) Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) 1) The Nightwatcher and Stormfather are parallel entities such that Nighwatcher:Cultivation :: Stormfather:Honor. 2) There is sort of a parallel for Odium, but the parallel is the various Unmade instead of a single entity. 3) They are parallel in that they are all Splinters. 4) The Unmade are voluntary Splinters, because Odium ("like almost all of the other Shards") voluntarily Splintered part of it's power. 5) The Stormfather is different from the others because it's a Sliver. JordanCon 2016 (April 23, 2016) Questioner Is Cultivation the same thing as the Nightwatcher? Brandon Sanderson They are related but they are not exactly the same. It's more like the similarity between the Stormfather and Honor. Firefight Seattle Public Library signing (Jan. 7, 2015) 2
Honorless he/him Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said: Really? I heard Cultivation made her though. The Nightwatcher calls her mother, after all. Yes, that plus in RoW, we get this: Quote “I have met the Nightwatcher,” Wyndle said. “She does not … think the same way the rest of us do. Cultivation created her to be apart, separated from humankind, un-Connected. Mortal perception of the Nightwatcher does not influence her like it does other spren. Mother wanted a daughter whose shape and personality would grow organically. “This makes the Nightwatcher less … well, human … than a spren like me. Still, I don’t believe her capable of lying. It isn’t something she could conceive of, I believe.” Thought do note that all Cultivation-aligned spren seem to refer to her as "Mother", and it is possible that Cultivation "remade" the Nightwatcher, as Sja-Anat might put it, instead of literally creating her, but the dialogue with Wyndle does make it seem like Cultivation did the latter. We already know that Honor and Cultivation created the Sibling, so we have a precedent, so to speak. Edited August 25, 2021 by Honorless 1
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