Mid-Range Game 49: Lode of Luthadel

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Illwei said:

it isn't, and killing reading as village would have been fine if he hadn't given in to paranoia and had killed TJ, like the thread was telling him to

Also because me and TJ were both a driving force to a- kill Reading and b- have Reading kill Quinn. So that messed with... a few things.

[Quintessential she/her]

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

it isn't, and killing reading as village would have been fine if he hadn't given in to paranoia and had killed TJ, like the thread was telling him to

...the thread seemed perfectly fine with him killing me, iirc. I think you were like... the only person telling him to kill TJ. I don't remember very well though  

Eh, y'know what, Illwei Matrim. After responding to Illwei I looked through the other posts and noticed a couple more people are voting Mat--which means my plan is probably not catching on :P. There really isn't much point in voting Illwei rather than Mat though I mean at this point my vote is redundant no matter what I do so I'll just save it for next cycle.

 

[Illwei]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

Also because me and TJ were both a driving force to a- kill Reading and b- have Reading kill Quinn. So that messed with... a few things.

either way: not the same situation because that was functionally lylo, and because the other target was TJ and he was an Elim. so theoretically my plan there wasn't a bad one either. Quinn's plan would work but only if reading was village so-

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Illwei said:

either way: not the same situation because that was functionally lylo, and because the other target was TJ and he was an Elim. so theoretically my plan there wasn't a bad one either. Quinn's plan would work but only if reading was village so-

I knew he was village because I knew I was and could see that the fact that no one was jumping on my plan meant there weren't any elims who wanted Reading alive, hence he was village, but it was EoD and I didn't have the time to explain that properly, as if anyone would have believed me even if I had : P

[Illwei]

Just now, Quintessential said:

I knew he was village because I knew I was and could see that the fact that no one was jumping on my plan meant there weren't any elims who wanted Reading alive, hence he was village, but it was EoD and I didn't have the time to explain that properly, as if anyone would have believed me even if I had : P

That reasoning makes no sense and you're just-

Look I barely have energy for this game. I'm not here to argue about what should have been done in past games. And I'm not here for you to attack me by basically saying that my plan is always followed and always wrong.

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Illwei said:

Look I barely have energy for this game. I'm not here to argue about what should have been done in past games. And I'm not here for you to attack me by basically saying that my plan is always followed and always wrong.

That's... not what I was saying but whatever : P

(my point about the game was that if Reading had been elim, people other than me (a confirmed villager from my pov) would have been trying to save him. Since people other than me weren't trying to save him, even by EoD, I was pretty sure he was vil. But that reasoning only worked if I was village, and you guys thought I was elim, so it would have been a waste of effort trying to explain it anyway)

[Mat he/him]

That game ended awhile ago I think and hmm this one is still going on.

...So! What would y'all do if I claimed Cett Mistborn right now?

I'm not going to, because I'm not, but just... what if?  

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

...So! What would y'all do if I claimed Cett Mistborn right now?

Be completely unsurprised and not change what we're doing at all, considering that we're already assuming you're Cett Mistborn 

[Illwei]

What would yall do if I claimed Cett Mistborn now that's the real question here

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Illwei said:

What would yall do if I claimed Cett Mistborn now that's the real question here

Ask Straff to NK you  

[Illwei]

Just now, Quintessential said:

Ask Straff to NK you  

Well I'll be

That's just not very Gracious or Professional of you, good sir!

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Illwei said:

Well I'll be

That's just not very Gracious or Professional of you, good sir!

Oh no not this again... I thought I'd gotten away from this when I left my robotics team at the start of quarantine! : P

[Mat he/him]

Keep my vote right where it is

How bout this- what if I claimed Vin?

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

How bout this- what if I claimed Vin?

Er... we wouldn't believe you, probably. And if you're Vin you're dead anyway 'cause then both elim teams will want to kill you : P

[Mat he/him]

1 minute ago, Quintessential said:

Er... we wouldn't believe you, probably. And if you're Vin you're dead anyway 'cause then both elim teams will want to kill you : P

I think I'm still dead anyway  

[Illwei]

There's no getting away from the Gracious Professionalism good sir, not with Illwei around!

Honestly smh it's such a good phrase more people should use it smh

[Quintessential she/her]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

There's no getting away from the Gracious Professionalism good sir, not with Illwei around!

Honestly smh it's such a good phrase more people should use it smh

No, please no, anything but Gracious Professionalism™!  

[Illwei]

Just now, Quintessential said:

No, please no, anything but Gracious Professionalism™!  

I've found your weakness!

Also apologies for the banter, Illwei has gone back to chilling. games too stressful for doing things.

[Gears]

Matrim is Cett. This is almost certainly true. If Striker had been Gneorndin, perhaps it would have been false, but Striker was Zane. They want the Cett dead. They were dead, so using atium was not a waste. They were dead, so they needed to get all the information out as possible. The two options are as follows: We kill Matrim. We let the Straff kill Matrim. Points in favour of the first: We get the knowledge, we get information about who the Straffs want dead, we don't depend on the Straffs. Points in favour of the second: We get the knowledge anyways but the Straffs have to kill someone and they might as well kill Matrim, so we do get to X someone of our choosing which results in the same net deaths but we get to choose. A point: Let us say that the Straffs will avoid killing Matrim in favour of someone else. It would be a random disparate thing between a lot of different people because no communication. If a few of them want Matrim dead, then Matrim will die. Another point: Let us say that the Straffs succeed in avoiding Matrim. We can just kill them later. But then, what is the difference between killing them now? Waiting is only beneficial if the Straffs kill Matrim. The Straffs want to kill Matrim. 

Let us discuss the current strategy of the Straffs: Their Mistborn is dead. They are a scattered collection of strangers united by a singular goal. They want to survive. At this stage, they shouldn't care about the others in their faction since they don't know those people. Any X that doesn't hit them is a victory. Any Cett kill that doesn't hit them is a victory. They can manipulate the murder outlet of the village. They cannot manipulate the murder outlet of the Cett. As such, the goal is to prioritise the slaughter of the Cett and then tamper with the X. Every Cett death is a victory. They should kill Matrim because killing the Cett is far more important than killing anyone else. They shouldn't particularly care about the X, so long as it doesn't hit them [and by 'them', I mean the singular individual, not the Straff faction as a whole]. Killing Matrim should be more important to them killing anything else. If we abstained, we could plausibly get the Matrim death. 

The other contention: The village. We need another target. What suspicions do we have besides Matrim? Both sides of the Qwei thunderdome have excellent points. It would in fact be beneficial to us if we could eviscerate one faction immediately so we don't have two NKs flying around. As such, it might be better for us to X Straff and leave Matrim to linger for a while. We can kill them later. I'll do some analysis of people linked to Striker later [the best idea I have to do so is to CTRL+F "Striker", which I am not looking forward to], but I'm inordinately occupied with a great deal of schoolwork and impending things, so perhaps it will not exist. If someone else would like to do a post-by-post specifically of every time Striker was mentioned, I'd be quite grateful. Alternatively: We just slaughter Matrim while accumulating evidence against the Straff.

Proposal: We analyse people who connected themselves to Striker in an attempt to find Straff, and if a good case is made before rollover [preferably a significant time before rollover so there's time for rebuttal], we will consider delaying the Mateo X to X that person instead. Thoughts?

[Sidenote: This was written over the course of several days, between rounds of my robotics tournament and separated by the curtain of sleep, so if it makes no sense, then yell for clarifications.]

[+Whysper she/her]

Matrim's Dice

We need to go for the basically confirmed Elim, especially one that's likely a PR. It's not a wasted execution to kill an Elim. It gives us another guaranteed cycle, so at worst it breaks even.

We don't wait for the other Elim team to "eventually" kill them off. They have the same reasoning to say that Village will eventually need to kill off Matrim, so don't waste a NK on him. They have lots of Villagers to go through themselves. If we leave Matrim alive, he can use his abilities to cause mayhem. We need to remove the threat now.

 

[Liranil she/her]

10 minutes ago, Gears said:

I'll do some analysis of people linked to Striker later [the best idea I have to do so is to CTRL+F "Striker", which I am not looking forward to], but I'm inordinately occupied with a great deal of schoolwork and impending things, so perhaps it will not exist.

This is literally what I've been doing. XD I've gone through C1 but I have a paper due tonight so C2 will have to wait until later.

9 minutes ago, Whysper said:

Matrim's Dice

We need to go for the basically confirmed Elim, especially one that's likely a PR. It's not a wasted execution to kill an Elim. It gives us another guaranteed cycle, so at worst it breaks even.

We don't wait for the other Elim team to "eventually" kill them off. They have the same reasoning to say that Village will eventually need to kill off Matrim, so don't waste a NK on him. They have lots of Villagers to go through themselves. If we leave Matrim alive, he can use his abilities to cause mayhem. We need to remove the threat now.

Oooh, this sure sounds elimmy to me... Trying to get the village to kill off the Cetts for you so you can kill the village, Whysper? 

[+Whysper she/her]

6 minutes ago, Liranil said:

Oooh, this sure sounds elimmy to me... Trying to get the village to kill off the Cetts for you so you can kill the village, Whysper? 

See, I don't understand where people are getting this backwards thinking. So every Elim we discover, we are suppose to just let them live and assume the other Elim team will kill them for us? And the fact that you try to shade me for killing Elims is pretty sus.

EDIT: Some people seem to be thinking that the Elim teams consider their opposing Elims as their main threat. No, Village is their main threat. They do have to worry about the other Elims also, but Village is the main threat for both teams.

EDIT: I think this must be the first multiball for quite a few people.  

Edited March 21, 2021 by Whysper

[Liranil she/her]

1 minute ago, Whysper said:

See, I don't understand where people are getting this backwards thinking. So every Elim we discover, we are suppose to just let them live and assume the other Elim team will kill them for us? And the fact that you try to shade me for killing Elims is pretty sus.

I actually just wanted to see your reaction, because I think you're making a good point. It does sound a lot like elim signalling, but I don't think the elims would be so obvious in telling their team to not to waste a kill on someone the village will need to kill later. (Or maybe they would...)

The only difficulty is that if the elims aren't spending their time killing each other, they're going to be killing us.

[Illwei]

13 minutes ago, Whysper said:

EDIT: I think this must be the first multiball for quite a few people.  

Yeah it is :P.

Whysper you are a godsend I love you :P.

EDIT:

[Insert liranil's quote here]

 

I mean, yes, but that's how all of these games work :P.

Edited March 21, 2021 by Illwei

[+Whysper she/her]

1 minute ago, Liranil said:

The only difficulty is that if the elims aren't spending their time killing each other, they're going to be killing us.

Well, exactly, and that's pretty much what happens at the beginning of multiballs. The Elim teams work on whittling down the number of Villagers, then go after each other. Though they also find ways to expose the other team and bring them up for execution. Good way to get Village credit.