Shards and Avatars

[The Titan God he/him]

We know that Autonomy can create different avatars, is this exclusively something Autonomy can do, or can any shard do it? If it requires a shard's intent, could Endowment make avatars (justified through endowing the world with an avatar)?

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

4 hours ago, The Titan God said:

We know that Autonomy can create different avatars, is this exclusively something Autonomy can do, or can any shard do it? If it requires a shard's intent, could Endowment make avatars (justified through endowing the world with an avatar)?

As far as we know other Shards can.

[Aspiring Writer]

Yeah, they can, which does bring up the question of why more don't do it. What cost or consequences are there to this, because avatars seem to be considered at the level of Shards, which would be helpful for multiple reasons.

[Thanatos]

It may be that the other Shards know, they just dont know they know.

Like investiture outside of their awareness.

Edited December 25, 2020 by Thanatos

[Aspiring Writer]

2 hours ago, Thanatos said:

It may be that the other Shards know, they just done know they know.

Like investiture outside of their awareness.

... what?

[The Titan God he/him]

3 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said:

... what?

What they're trying to say is that all shards might be physically capable of making avatars, but only Autonomy actually has the knowledge of how to do so. Perhaps, it is possible that Autonomy could teach another shard how to make avatars, but it is not part of their general awareness of how they can use their investiture.

[Aspiring Writer]

1 hour ago, The Titan God said:

What they're trying to say is that all shards might be physically capable of making avatars, but only Autonomy actually has the knowledge of how to do so. Perhaps, it is possible that Autonomy could teach another shard how to make avatars, but it is not part of their general awareness of how they can use their investiture.

If that is the case, fine, if that is not the case, I will need BS to explain why more of them don't try to make avatars.

[Frustration]

2 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said:

If that is the case, fine, if that is not the case, I will need BS to explain why more of them don't try to make avatars.

Endowment sort of does it with the Returned, there are some more examples, but I think they don't because it leaves the vulnerable.

[+Invocation]

3 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said:

If that is the case, fine, if that is not the case, I will need BS to explain why more of them don't try to make avatars.

My guess as to why they don't do it is because in order to do it, the Avatar needs sapience, so it would have free will enough to mess up one of your own plans if its interpretation of your shared Intent comes out even slightly different (if you're one of the Shards that that applies to, which might be the only Shards capable of making Avatars).

[Aspiring Writer]

1 hour ago, Invocation said:

My guess as to why they don't do it is because in order to do it, the Avatar needs sapience, so it would have free will enough to mess up one of your own plans if its interpretation of your shared Intent comes out even slightly different (if you're one of the Shards that that applies to, which might be the only Shards capable of making Avatars).

I had considered that, but Autonomy seems to have some control over the Avatars she makes, instilling a dislike of Hoid onto one of them, and either way, it seems like a useful weapon, if unweildy.

[Ixthos Luke/Luke]

The thing is we don't know much about what avatars are - how independent are they, were they originally other beings that became part of the shard, or are they parts of the shard that are segmented from the original. How independent are they? How much of the shards power do they have? Are there hard rules for what an avatar is, and thus can an avatar have some of these properties one way while being an avatar, and another have some of these properties another way while also being an avatar?

Is this like Ruin being able to speak through the cracks in another beings soul, while Preservation cannot? Can this be like Ruin being unable to hear thoughts, but Preservation can? Something restricted to a shard whose powers are all about freedom and independence?

Does this mean that the power of creation, before being shattered, could do it?

 

There are too many unanswered questions to know for sure if another shard can do it, let along what it definitively is, not just what we suspect.