Charcoal Hyena Posted January 17, 2021 Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) I am a newer player, but I concur That blackmail is wrong and To demonstrate its wrongness We are allowed to make a stand In voting for the person who was Trying to force a player's hand. As such, I vote for Melon Dingo (Amber Vulture). This behaviour shouldn't be part of our culture. If @Melon Dingo apologises and swears a vow To never act this way again to anyone And respect the boundaries of others Who do not want to be smothered By the blackmail of another person, Which should be their right to have Then I would be willing to return to Voting out elim suspects, so Dingo, you Must beg the forgiveness of the neutrals You have blackmailed, or you'll be removed. This behaviour is reprehensible And we should not let it be possible In SE. Dingo, I loved your poetry, But I will not forgive you until they do. Edited January 17, 2021 by Charcoal Hyena Oh no, typo
Violet Axolotl Posted January 17, 2021 Posted January 17, 2021 Hello all, I've come to discuss the matter. Bear with me, I'm not good with words. This isn't in response to anyone. I don't view what Dingo did as right. I am very against blackmailing players in any fashion. But I also don't view killing Dingo for it as right. The whole thing brought up by Gorilla is that these games are about fun, and we should be making it fun for all. Dingo, by attempting to blackmail the neutrals, was not doing this. But, by killing Dingo now, the game has suddenly become unfun for Dingo. More so, one could argue, than what Dingo could muster, because even Ruin can't outright remove someone from play. And I won't participate in that. It's my opinion that a successive train of disagreement is enough of a statement- for anything else, the mods are the ones who should handle it. Secondly, and perhaps less important and a more in-game reason: I feel bad for Preservation. They used their one-time ability at a strategic time that would give us an extra exe so we could get ahead of the game, and we use it to kill the one confirmed villager we have. Again- I don't disagree with a statement about Dingo, but I doubt killing him is the best solution. These are why I am not participating in killing Dingo. I want to make these games as fun for as many people as possible, and I don't think killing Dingo is the way to do it. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm just stating my own mind. My vote remains on Octopus.
Scarlet Octopus Posted January 17, 2021 Posted January 17, 2021 I don't know why I haven't been attacked. Ostrich said they were hoping the filter would get me. That could be why? I have also been interested in who is also unconcerned about Odium's domain, although now, of course, Odium is free. I'm not exactly sure what's going on here. Rephrased: I think I'm missing full context. Ruin is planning to destroy a planet where Autonomy has already Invested. They also threatened Elephant in thread for info. However, I'm guessing killing Ruin is a bad idea (although we'll still have the removal), although we certainly have a good start on finding the elims. This is certainly applying pressure... Prudence, dear Prudence, may I be honored with a private conversation with yourself? (I'll go find the form if your esteemed self wishes it.) (I'll be back before the end of the cycle) (I drafted this earlier) Drat posting this now
little wilson she/her Posted January 17, 2021 Posted January 17, 2021 Night 6: Now Trending on Witter: #lockdrashup #releasedrash Melon Dingo (7): Azure Mouse, Charcoal Hyena, Ivory Dragonfly, Quartz Zebra, Sapphire Elephant, Turquoise Gorilla Scarlet Octopus (3): Amethyst Scorpion, Magenta Albatross, Opal Lion, Violet Axolotl Melon Dingo has been removed! He was Ruin on the Children of Adonalsium! The night has begun and will end on Tuesday, 19 Jan at 9 am MST. Player List 1. Amber Vulture - (Creative Cook) 2. Amethyst Scorpion - Mort (Deathspren) 3. Azure Mouse - Tenth of the Dusk/Kaikoa (Bounty Hunter) 4. Charcoal Hyena - Soren (Hobbyist (Poet)) 5. Chartreuse Penguin - (Bumblebee) 17th Sharder 6. Coral Swan - Enoras (Prophetic) 7. Cream Tuatara - (Prophetic) Cultivation 8. Fuchsia Ostrich - Konion (Unlucky orphan) Dominion 9. Indigo Weasel - Iadhain 'the Weasel' Ramer (Kleptomaniac ) 10. Ivory Dragonfly - Eris (Decisive) 11. Magenta Albatross - Relas (Distracted) 12. Mauve Crocodile - Siena Ashao (Unlucky) Forger 13. Melon Dingo - Niru Drash (Insane-Egomaniac-Scholar) Ruin 14. Mint Heron - Nihalin (Hobbyist) Original Prudence 15. Onyx Flamingo - (Excitable) 16. Opal Lion - Remy (Hobbyist) 17. Oxblood Beagle - Lady Orchid (Gossip) Endowment 18. Pearl Chameleon - (Compulsive Gambler) 19. Plum Rhinoceros - Solemnheart (Returned-Amnesiac-Scholar) Mercy 20. Quartz Zebra - Sophos (Bad Stormwarden) 21. Saffron Iguana - Vatorr Maj (Tinker) Honor 22. Sage Kangaroo - Arleoxtai Ashvtet (Gossip) Original Valor 23. Sapphire Elephant - Al (Drunk) 24. Scarlet Octopus - () 25. Taupe Gecko - Aurora (Bad Human) Elantrian 26. Turquoise Gorilla - () 27. Violet Axolotl - Sir Brockett (Elderly) 5
Azure Mouse Posted January 17, 2021 Posted January 17, 2021 Tenth of the Dusk stood up. Mindful of where the others must be watching, now. It was time to leave Nalthis, and the distasteful work behind. He exchanged a long, measuring glance with the two Shards who stood watch: one of them Locke Tekiel he knew now to be the Shard Invention, and the other he did not recognise but supposed to be an aspect of Autonomy. One of many. "It is done, then," he said, with finality. There was nothing to celebrate. Nothing of the rift that had opened up within the game or the players was worth celebrating. He suspected that the scars would run deep. Tenth stood by his choice, and he suspected the rest did so as well. It had to be done, and so it was done. Now it was time to turn his mind back to the task of hunting down and stopping the last of Odium and his ilk. He made his choice. He cast his vote. He damned a man he knew was innocent. (But guilty of other charges.) Father forgive him. 1
Charcoal Hyena Posted January 17, 2021 Posted January 17, 2021 I feel somewhat guilty Ruin did not get an opportunity To respond and apologise Instead of simply dying. Perhaps we should have waited For Dingo to get online Instead of striking them down Immediately this time. Ah well, no point in lamenting What cannot be changed or Altered. Let us consider Our action course. Who should we vote On the next day? Octopus, yes? Or is There another we'll say?
Azure Mouse Posted January 17, 2021 Posted January 17, 2021 [OOC: My current order of suspicions is something like this: Octopus -> Weasel/Vulture (yes, I know, it's not good they're inseparable in my head) -> Chameleon -> Albatross -> Swan. In descending order from most to least suspicious. Whether Octopus remains on top depends on their conversation with Prudence. For Weasel, still have nothing much to go on. I take Zebra's point on Vulture - in fact, in my view, all the Elims we've found generally failed to distance/were active, so this points to low-activity/croucher Elims and/or Elims who successfully distanced. In that regard, Vulture's vote isn't especially exculpatory to me especially since Gecko showed up to tie the votes anyway. In my view, Chameleon likely took the kill on N3, and has been too low-activity for me to feel confident it's a WGG. (If it's a WGG, you'd think they'd be bursting at the seams to claim!) Swan has articulated my reasoning on Albatross, and Swan still reads Village to me, although their reluctance to vote does make them a bit difficult to read.]
Opal Lion Posted January 17, 2021 Posted January 17, 2021 Top tier Elim strat: - Attack Teammate - Tell teammate to stay silent about it - Collect Village cred
Sapphire Elephant Posted January 17, 2021 Posted January 17, 2021 "hahahahaha prudieeee your Twitter account name in the write up is NuPru loooool xD" @Opal Lion
Opal Lion Posted January 17, 2021 Posted January 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, Sapphire Elephant said: "hahahahaha prudieeee your Twitter account name in the write up is NuPru loooool xD" NO NOT ME THIS IS FAKE NEWS THIS IS AN IMPERSONATOR
Indigo Weasel Posted January 17, 2021 Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, little wilson said: Melon Dingo (7): Azure Mouse, Charcoal Hyena, Indigo Weasel, Quartz Zebra, Sapphire Elephant, Turquoise Gorilla I do not recall voting for Dingo. Is there a vote manip thing that does this that I’m forgetting about? Like a ‘change a null vote’ thing? Edited January 17, 2021 by Indigo Weasel
little wilson she/her Posted January 17, 2021 Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Indigo Weasel said: I do not recall voting for Dingo. Is there a vote manip thing that does this that I’m forgetting about? Like a ‘change a null vote’ thing? Ah, that's supposed to be Ivory Dragonfly. The vote must've gotten logged incorrectly in the sheet as to who made that vote. Edit: Fixed
Azure Mouse Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 [OOC: Alright. Honest talk, guys. Roshar thinks we've found a way to end the game with a Village victory tonight. But. This would massively screw over the neutrals, who have already taken enough crem from the past Turn. And we have already gotten into one bloody fight about what is acceptable and unacceptable player behaviour. As a result, we're bringing this to the thread for a consensus, or at least a majority consensus. We don't want to end the game tonight. The Elim team has requested we give the neutrals an additional cycle to fulfil their wincon. Roshar generally agrees with this. But Roshar shouldn't be making the decisions for everyone. We want you to decide as well. Neutrals, if the Village decides against you, I will understand if you do what you must. But as Scorp said - we're supposed to be gentleman killers. Honour may have been slain, but I hope he lives on in the hearts of the animals here. It's been a long and wearying game and we want to mercy-kill this as much as anyone else. But we want to do right by the neutrals, too. And we think we can do that without losing the game. By our calculations, there are 2-3 Elims left. Most likely 2. We believe we know who they are. We will shrek one of them tomorrow, and the other will be night-killed. The game will end N7. Survival has claimed to have completed their wincon. Autonomy is well on track to finishing N7 as New!Ruin plans to destroy Roshar. (I mean, Odium is already free, right?) And Invention will complete by D7. We can all win together. All it requires of you is agreement. Agreement, and the determination to tank the price the Elims exact of us this night. And then in the next cycle, we will end them. It will be swift. And we will do right by the neutrals as well. As I have said, the community has long had a reputation for being gentleman killers. We are not competitive. We do not punish players for being chaotic, for not playing directly to their wincon. We do not punish players for chilling. We do frown down on, and call out coercion, because it erodes the goodwill that is a foundation of and key to our community here. I may not have been in SE from the beginning - that honour belongs to others, such as Wilson and Alv, but I have watched as the community has grown and changed. We almost lost our souls, once. Became extremely competitive and like any other forum mafia. And then we found our way again. Is it winning, if we step on each other to do so? I hope we can win together. And I hope we can end the game on a good and friendly note - particularly in a game marred by such bitterness, anger, and acrimony. We will have much talking, when the dead rejoin us. And some scars may run deep. But let us do this one last thing right. Let us show that we do have what it takes to end such a tainted game in positive way. @Amber Vulture @Amethyst Scorpion @Azure Mouse @Charcoal Hyena @Coral Swan @Indigo Weasel @Ivory Dragonfly @Magenta Albatross @Onyx Flamingo @Opal Lion @Pearl Chameleon @Quartz Zebra @Sapphire Elephant @Scarlet Octopus @Turquoise Gorilla @Violet Axolotl ] 3
Opal Lion Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 I agree with this. I don't think that delaying a cycle harms us in any...er...harmful way. I don't think there's much else I can say on this topic, but...yeah.
Ivory Dragonfly Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 Whatever happens, I want to stand with the neutrals. I want the neutrals to have their win, much more than I want victory for myself. They have been good to me, and they have done well as neutrals. We can afford to wait, so therefore I personally feel we should. Im also just loving how using the term shreking is legitimately getting used Its a pleasantly light way of talking about death that just makes things feel more chill and friendly, even tho it kinda silly. I approve of this greatly xD
Sapphire Elephant Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 "amen to that mouse. but if some of you villagersh fellows wantsa win asap i don mind. i been havin fun this game. if yav guessed who i am, ya know this aint ma game style usually. so this games been hella fun for me. and that for me ish da mosht important. winnin is immaterial, especially for me cosh da whole game i been cruisin cosh ya left me alone, so its not a big thing. i had fun ya know, loads. glad to have played with you folks. youve done enough for me already an i cant be askin for more."
Amethyst Scorpion Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 ɢɪᴠɪɴɢ ᴛʜᴇ ɴᴇᴜᴛʀᴀʟꜱ ᴛʜᴇɪʀ ᴄʏᴄʟᴇ ɪꜱ ꜰɪɴᴇ ʙʏ ᴍᴇ.
Charcoal Hyena Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 I thank you on behalf of my neutral friends, Who greatly appreciate this gift of a delayed end. While I have already succeeded, they have not, And I know they deserve more than what they got. Praise be to the Mouse, who gave us this. Without you, I know we'd all be lost. Thank you for this chance to exist For one more day, before the final cost. And thank you to the village for agreeing. Victory is sweet, and so I know What this means, for you to be delaying. Thank you for the victory you forgo. And while I'm on the subject gratitude, I'd like to thank the Voices of God. They've run a great game of verisimilitude, And quite frankly, I am still in awe. Praise be to all, and to all a good night. Keep on fighting the good fight. 1
Violet Axolotl Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 It's important to me to give the neutrals their win, especially after what's happened in this game.
Turquoise Gorilla Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 I just wanted to say that this is really quite lovely to see - thank you all for being so considerate. It is heartwarming to see the community acting in this manner.
Scarlet Octopus Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) Spoiler Should you be concerned? Maybe..... or... Spoiler Edit: wait wait wait did that not load? If it didn't, I said I'm happy to wait to end the game for the neutrals. In fact, I want to. Edited January 18, 2021 by Scarlet Octopus 1
Azure Mouse Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 [OOC: Brief reminder to all Villagers: The game is not currently over! I've provided the suspect pool in my earlier post: <Octopus, Weasel, Vulture/Chameleon, Albatross, Swan>. Colour-coded to reflect the aggregate of reads on them: your ordering or reads may differ. Octopus remains prime suspect due to the N2 Braize; otherwise. Here is the suspected profile of the Elim team: Quote Elim #1 - Crocodile: Forger/Spanreed [Non-Shard] Elim #2 - Gecko: Elantrian/Spanreed (from Crocodile), Alerter [Non-Shard] Elim #3 - Rhino: Seon/Bribe/Emotion Bracelet [Non-Shard] Elim #4 - ? : Mercy/? [Shard] Now non-Shard Elim #5 -Ostrich : Odium/? [Shard] Elim #6 - ?: Dominion/? [Shattered Shard] Now Odium Elim #7 - ?: Exists??? While we have some contact with the Elim team, we do not (obviously) know about their makeup and have to go by our personal suspicions. We suspect the Elim team is 6 person. It may be 7, but we suspect that it it were 7 person, then the Elims would have been under less pressure to yeet Shards. In addition, as mentioned, the fact that the first four Elims we found were all connected suggests that the last, surviving Elims have been keeping a low profile, and/or have been disconnected from the others in activity. Octopus, with the painrial scan, is our current suspect for Elim #6, whereas Weasel is our suspect for Elim #4. Our conclusion is that due to Preservation roleblocking Alb, it is unlikely that Alb were an Elim, due to what this would mean for the number of kills live N4. Or rather: for him to be an Elim, both Preservation and Scorp would have to be compromised such that Alb was actually able to make the kill. (Preservation's investment doesn't work on Shards but we have no reason to believe Alb is a Shard, and if Preservation's investment had failed, then Scorp would have actually gotten a successful scan.) We feel that an Elim Preservation would not have called down a second UP day, and that a four-shard Elim team is not impossible but unlikely. Furthermore, Scorp has been involved in the Rhino scanning. I've mentioned my reasoning for Chameleon as well. Anyway, the point is that - you still have your reads, your scans, your protects, your roleblocks, and your votes. Please use them wisely. This list is provided for you so that you can act as you see fit. We could still be wrong, after all. It is best you do your own investigations as well. This is still your game. The Village does have access to some vigilantes such that we can afford to be a bit wrong, but of course it is better to not need to.]
Quartz Zebra Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 I’m happy with the game lasting another cycle. Maybe I’ll finally get a Highstorm prediction right. Turns out the last one was actually an Everstorm, which was a slightly embarrassing mistake. 4
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