Ramona Tehradin she/her Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) Oh wait, just in case there weren't more stuff...there are more stuff. Wit's special interest in Kaladin seems to be having more than just stories to inspire. Of course, whatever Wit does its for a reason so its natural to assume that each part of the story has something to do with Wit's past experiences. We can ponder upon the fact that Kaladin is the only character whom Wit has spoken three stories, something no other character in SA was bested upon. Added to that, the Trailman's flute was given to Kaladin for a reason and it was returned to him again for a reason....And Wit coming in to Braize where Kaladin was tormented by Odium through his Connection with Moash to give in. Wit did say that it wasn't fair for Odium and then went on to propel Kaladin. This brings us to being Son/Child of Tanavast theory. We all know that Tanavast was present during which Adonlasium was splintered and then he accepted the Shard of Honor and Ascended to it. Wit was also present and seems to having kinship with Tanavast and I guess it all connected one way or another. Maybe Wit sees a fragment of his former friend in face of a special hero who seems to inspire thousands through his honorable selfless embodiment. This Son/Child of Tanavast means a lot more than people give credit for, something we need to investigate since the time of Splintering. Edited November 22, 2020 by Ramona Tehradin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedseayou Posted November 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ramona Tehradin said: Maybe Wit sees a fragment of his former friend in face of a special hero who seems to inspire thousands through his honorable selfless embodiment. I did just notice again a line in chapter 111: Quote You don’t particularly like anyone, Dalinar noted. Not true. There was a human who made me laugh once, long ago. I was somewhat fond of him. The Stormfather presumably has some of Tanavast's memories, so I assumed that this meant our lovely Wit Edited November 22, 2020 by Zedseayou 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylveris he/him Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 Was Son of Tanavast confirmed to be a unique title for Kaladin? I always assumed it was a term for humans/Radiants/Windrunners. (first because he sort of adopted them, second because he led them, and the third because they were the 'closest' to him) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nef Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) On 11/19/2020 at 9:44 PM, dgreene196 said: My thinking on this was that I believed it referenced Moash's injury. His strong Connection to Odium and his possession of Jezrien's Honorblade at least made him a strong possibility as Odium's Champion (with some sort of Odium-gifted upgrade, at least). A key factor in Kaladin maybe not directly connecting to Odium in that scene was that we don't have any hint that his bond with Syl was disrupted. But, since we get that scene from an external perspective we don't really know. It certainly seems that, briefly, he received a significant upgrade in terms of his physical speed. And ripping an enemies head off with a Reverse Lashing isn't really Kaladin's MO. I agree with others, Odium was looking at Kaladin as his next champion. At the very least he was converting Kaladin to his side. This quote, which I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is, almost states it: Quote “He wants me, as he wanted Moash,” Kaladin said. “If he keeps pushing, he’ll have me. So I have to go.” Edited November 22, 2020 by Nef 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramona Tehradin she/her Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Sylveris said: Was Son of Tanavast confirmed to be a unique title for Kaladin? I always assumed it was a term for humans/Radiants/Windrunners. (first because he sort of adopted them, second because he led them, and the third because they were the 'closest' to him) Yes. It's unique for only Kaladin. Brandon confirmed it during Stuttgart signing. Dalinar, Venli and Eshonai are called Son/Child of Honor, Son/Child of Odium but only Kal is called Tanavast. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramona Tehradin she/her Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Nef said: I agree with others, Odium was looking at Kaladin as his next champion. At the very least he was converting Kaladin to his side. This quote, which I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is, almost states it: He failed. People have been speculating that Kaladin will give in and all, but I don't think they forget that way before, Kaladin was alone and now, just like he used to help people...there are others to help him. That is the importance of their Surge, to bind the knights together. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nef Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 No disagreement here, Odium more or less mentions that he failed to Dalinar. I think Kaladin swearing the 4th oath was a really big step in his management of his depression/anxiety. It means he's not going see peoples' deaths as a failure. Also his bond with Syl, it has strengthened so that they're more able to use each other as support. Its almost turning into a healthy marriage, with good communication/sharing of feelings. Odium's pathway to "converting" Kaladin was through his depression. With what we saw in RoW, I would be surprised if that path ever opens again. Sure Kaladin will always have his ups and downs (he mentions as much), but not to the extent to be exploited by Odium. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriodor Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) On this same topic, I realized that the strange stuff about Kaladin has the same place in my thoughts as the strange stuff about Shallan. Stuff like: the red hair which is supposed to be a sign of singer ancestry on Roshar, something about her was able to entice a Cryptic to bond her after she'd already killed one, her mental split thing is some weird magical version of dissociative identity disorder that we haven't seen in other lightweavers so its her own thing. There's something strange about those two that is unrelated to the normal investiture stuff we see on Roshar. Edited November 23, 2020 by seriodor removing some erroneous information 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okishok Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, seriodor said: On this same topic, I realized that the strange stuff about Kaladin has the same place in my thoughts as the strange stuff about Shallan. Stuff like: the red hair which is supposed to be a sign of singer ancestry on Roshar, something about her was able to entice a Cryptic to bond her after she'd already killed one, her mental split thing is some weird magical version of dissociative identity disorder that we haven't seen in other lightweavers so its her own thing, also her memoize ability, which the wiki says is a resonance of her lightweaving, but we never see other lightweavers use it. There's something strange about those two that is unrelated to the normal investiture stuff we see on Roshar. We see another Lightweaver use the memorize resonance in RoW. Stargyle uses it when giving his report to Dalinar on Ishar's camp. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seloun Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, seriodor said: also her memoize ability, which the wiki says is a resonance of her lightweaving, but we never see other lightweavers use it. Pretty sure what Stargyle does is an analogue of Memory: Quote The Lightweaving created a view from above, surveying a shoreline landscape. An army camped along the shore, though it didn’t have much discipline. Large groups of men around campfires, no real uniforms. A variety of weapons. Ishar’s troops seemed to have good numbers, however, and they were well-equipped. Their success on the battlefields in this region made Dalinar careful not to underestimate them. They might not have proper uniforms, but these were battle-hardened veterans. “Here, Brightlord,” Stargyle said—and the image began moving, as if in real life. “I can keep it all in my head, so long as I focus on the colors.” Sanderson, Brandon. Rhythm of War (The Stormlight Archive) . Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. (emphasis mine) The special thing that Shallan does that none of the other Lightweavers seem to do? Quote They led her through the streets quickly, the hood still on. Shallan took over, as she had an incredible—likely supernatural—ability to sense and memorize direction. She mapped their path in her head. Sneaky little cremlings; they led her in a large double loop, ending at a location near where they’d emerged from the cellar. Sanderson, Brandon. Rhythm of War (The Stormlight Archive) . Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. This felt so out of place that I made a thread on it: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/93234-why-does-shallan-have-geolocation/ WRT Kaladin, however, it seems clear that there's some sort of connection (if not Connection) between him and Odium. First is his supernatural talent in combat - now that we know Honor + Odium = War, this feels a lot more telling. Also, Kaladin's passion is one of his main traits: Quote “How about this?” she said, holding his eyes. “I promise, solemnly and by the tenth name of the Almighty, that I mean no harm to Adolin or his family. I mean to prevent a disaster. I might be wrong, and I might be misguided, but I vow to you that I’m sincere.” He stared into her eyes. So intense. She felt a shiver meeting that expression. This was a man of passion. Sanderson, Brandon. Words of Radiance (Stormlight Archive, The) (p. 839). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. Quote Passionate, with an intense, smoldering resolve. A leashed anger that he used, because he had dominated it. And a certain tempting arrogance. Not the haughty pride of a highlord. Instead, the secure, stable sense of determination that whispered that no matter who you were— or what you did— you could not hurt him. Could not change him. He was. Like the wind and rocks were. Sanderson, Brandon. Words of Radiance (Stormlight Archive, The) (p. 936). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. Kaladin is certainly not the only one to exhibit passion, but he seems to exemplify it better than virtually anyone. One could also argue that he induces it better than anyone (both in his enemies and his allies) - people are in awe of him, in fear of him, inspired by him - no one is neutral when it comes to Stormblessed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriodor Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Seloun said: The special thing that Shallan does that none of the other Lightweavers seem to do? This felt so out of place that I made a thread on it: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/93234-why-does-shallan-have-geolocation/ Huh, you're right about Stargyle also using a version of it. As to her geolocation, I think it was kind of indicated from some of Jasnah's chapters that supernatural positional awareness was an Elsecaller resonance. Like how she knew exactly where she was after she made it back from Shadesmar. Maybe Shallan is Invested enough as a Radiant of the third ideal for her to get some overlap with the Elsecaller resonance, similar to how they can both Soulcast. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valigus Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 I think he may be a small sliver of honor because that would explain pretty much all the little things that are weird about his abilities. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djerf he/him Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Odiums connection to kaladin might not be strong enough without Moash. In mistborn Ruin could speak to crazy people but he needed them to be pierced to controll them properly. We also se a significant difference between kolossos and kandra in their ability to resist the controll. So maybe Kaladin has been using miniscule amounts of odius investiture but his much greater connection to Honor has been protecting him for direct control. Another version could be that Kaladin is using Odius investiture by "binding" it with his own Honor. There's plenty of ways this could work out and Brandon has managed to get this far in his foreshadowing without painting himself into a corner. I do like the idea of Kaladins awesome sauce being his passion and thus his connection to Odium, it rhymes well with my own idea of the SA endgame being ten (?) Pseudo shards made from a combination of the three Rosharan Shards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valigus Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Djerf said:I do like the idea of Kaladins awesome sauce being his passion and thus his connection to Odium, it rhymes well with my own idea of the SA endgame being ten (?) Pseudo shards made from a combination of the three Rosharan Shards. Yeah in that moment i think it had soemthing to do with the rythm of war but I personally think cultivation has been manipulating characters to take up each shard in the cosmere on roshar, and I think kaladin is either honor or if salient is honor then valor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeahAstonished Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) On 11/19/2020 at 0:30 AM, Zedseayou said: Kaladin is especially close to the Fourth Oath, while none of the others are, and this lets him break the suppression I don't love this because there are others with Shardblades (third oath) at the tower I think, and this seems like a very fuzzy boundary. Conscious/not unconscious should be a fairly big separator There could definitely be other things going on. But I think this boundary between oaths might be slightly more defined. In chapter 60 we see Venli try to swear an ideal that is not ready to be accepted. She could say the words, but didn't grasp the meaning behind them (Command with no Intent). And Dawnshard spoilers: Spoiler The Lopen experiences the same thing in chapter 17 of Dawnshard I think Kaladin is in the exact opposite situation. His ideal is ready to be accepted he just hasn't said it (Intention waiting for a Command). I think this is what is granting him the fourth ideal level passive powers protecting him from the fabrial, but not the active ones. Just like he had the passive power to heal before he actually spoke the first ideal, but only got the active powers when he swore it. Such a late bloomer. I think Teft's fourth ideal wouldn't have been accepted before the occupation, so he went unconscious. But it would have been accepted when he was fighting Moash because the Intent was there, so he could summon Phendorana as a Shardblade. Edited January 14, 2021 by LeahAstonished 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jereome Posted January 26, 2023 Report Share Posted January 26, 2023 It could be because he is close to the 4th ideal but I think it could also be for the same reason that Vinli is immune to the suppression field also. In her case she has a void spren but with Kaldin I think it's because he is under Odium's influence. The proof is that Odium was directly touching Kaladin's dreams during this book in an attempt to corrupt him. And the change of eye color seems to point in this direction. Also some say that Brandon stated that Kaladin wasn't burning void light when he was using his abilities but he didn't say that "Kaladin wasn't infused with void light." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandlerhimself Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 I thought it was because Kalladin was close to the 4th ideal. Didn't they say they needed to get Dalinar out of there because his connect with the storm father was too strong to suppress? Didn't they also want Jashna to leave because she achieved the 4th ideal. I'm guessing that in the battles they never encountered any radients with Shard plate except Jashna, so they assumed it would work on everyone in the tower. Kalladin was basically at the 4th idea but hadn't said the words yet, so I thought that is why he could still use some powers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 I think Kal is so special because of Syl. She is some super high noble princess spren. Like the Storm Father but different cause he was made by Uncle Andy. Maybe The Almighty created Syl??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 53 minutes ago, Thanatos said: Maybe The Almighty created Syl??? No, Sylphrena is of the first generation of Honorsprens created by Stormfather just before Recreance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Plot armor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argenti he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 Umm, actually, its clearly Adonalsuim's cognitive shadow giving him a power-up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Argenti said: Umm, actually, its clearly Adonalsuim's cognitive shadow giving him a power-up. It's been two months since anything has been posted here. You don't need to revive a thread for a joke. Edited April 28, 2023 by Frustration 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argenti he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, Frustration said: It's been three months since anything has been posted here. You don't need to revive a thread for a joke. I didn't even see that sorry! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, Argenti said: I didn't even see that sorry! You're good, we all do that at one point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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