Valigus Posted October 2, 2020 Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) Is the girl who looked up about ash? I just thought of this possibility but it seems possible. to my understanding right the heralds except ash are all from ashyn with ash having either come over young or been born on roshar, this means that the girl who looked up only makes sense if it happens very soon after arriving on roshar which means ash is around and considering the similarities between Shallan and the girl that’s constantly implied when the story is told is it possible it’s ash? another hint to this is that while shallan is showing pattern the story the image of the girl has her hair turn white without shallan intentionally doing so. The same color as ash’s hair. so after the story and even before hoid tells kaladin of fleet people see an inhuman shape striding through the highstorms, this appears to be fleet, but what is he. Hoid claims to have never told the story of fleet before and every time someone sees it they kinda ignore it, so why has the story seemingly fallen into the obscurity or been forgotten. Then the question become what is fleet is he a spren? Like a unique sentient wind spren kinda like the winds are sentient in many mythology, a cognative shadow?, maybe a combo like the stormfather the shadow of fleet? Edited October 2, 2020 by Valigus 6
Koloss17 She/They Posted October 2, 2020 Posted October 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Valigus said: Is the girl who looked up about ash? I just thought of this possibility but it seems possible. to my understanding right the heralds except ash are all from ashyn with ash having either come over young or been born on roshar, this means that the girl who looked up only makes sense if it happens very soon after arriving on roshar which means ash is around and considering the similarities between Shallan and the girl that’s constantly implied when the story is told is it possible it’s ash? so after the story and even before hoid tells kaladin of fleet people see an inhuman shape striding through the highstorms, this appears to be fleet, but what is he. Hoid claims to have never told the story of fleet before and every time someone sees it they kinda ignore it, so why has the story seemingly fallen into the obscurity or been forgotten. Then the question become what is fleet is he a spren? Like a unique sentient wind spren kinda like the winds are sentient in many mythology, a cognative shadow?, maybe a combo like the stormfather the shadow of fleet? Oh. Wow. That is actually a storming fantastic theory. I never once thought to Include wit’s stories in stormlight’s plot. Bravo! 1
Valigus Posted October 2, 2020 Author Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Koloss17 said: Oh. Wow. That is actually a storming fantastic theory. I never once thought to Include wit’s stories in stormlight’s plot. Bravo! Thanks, I mean it makes sense considering the girl who looked up is very very likely about humans in shinovar and the time period where this coudl have happened must be small assuming it’s the first time someone left and ash fits that plus is the herald of the Lightweavers the order shallan belongs to and the story is a reflection of shallan. The coincidences just keep mounting and it’s making it kinda convincing Edited October 2, 2020 by Valigus 3
Algrokoz Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 I'm just finishing reading the third book again, and I think the girl who looked up, while possibly referencing a specific person, is also a direct reference to humans leaving shinovar for the first time. The wall is the mountains, and the light is the stormlight, and the darkness is the deliberate loss of knowledge about investiture that I'm assuming happened when humans settled on roshar. Someone crossed the mountains and witnessed storm light and brought it back to shinovar. I think that might also be why the shin have specific prohibitions against stepping on stone, because it would make it impossible to leave shinovar without doing so. 1
Nellac Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 50 minutes ago, Algrokoz said: I'm just finishing reading the third book again, and I think the girl who looked up, while possibly referencing a specific person, is also a direct reference to humans leaving shinovar for the first time. The wall is the mountains, and the light is the stormlight, and the darkness is the deliberate loss of knowledge about investiture that I'm assuming happened when humans settled on roshar. Someone crossed the mountains and witnessed storm light and brought it back to shinovar. I think that might also be why the shin have specific prohibitions against stepping on stone, because it would make it impossible to leave shinovar without doing so. This is one of the best theories on the subject I've heard so far.
Bejarden he/him Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 What’s interesting about Shinovar is that I’m pretty sure they don’t use Stormlight for actual light “Why would men use something so sacred for mere illumination” (paraphrased WoK prologue) So the Girl who looked up could be a group of people that actually wanted to use SL but couldn’t in Shinovar so they stole some from the Parsh which caused the 1st desolation somehow
Valigus Posted March 5, 2021 Author Posted March 5, 2021 18 hours ago, Algrokoz said: I'm just finishing reading the third book again, and I think the girl who looked up, while possibly referencing a specific person, is also a direct reference to humans leaving shinovar for the first time. The wall is the mountains, and the light is the stormlight, and the darkness is the deliberate loss of knowledge about investiture that I'm assuming happened when humans settled on roshar. Someone crossed the mountains and witnessed storm light and brought it back to shinovar. I think that might also be why the shin have specific prohibitions against stepping on stone, because it would make it impossible to leave shinovar without doing so. I agree that it is almost certainly referencing humans leaving shinovar but to me the fact that shallans illusions hair turns inexplicably white, the possibility ash was born there and a lot of other little details make it seem like it very well could specifically refer to ash.
Chinkoln he/him Posted March 7, 2021 Posted March 7, 2021 On 10/2/2020 at 0:28 PM, Valigus said: so after the story and even before hoid tells kaladin of fleet people see an inhuman shape striding through the highstorms, this appears to be fleet, but what is he. Hoid claims to have never told the story of fleet before and every time someone sees it they kinda ignore it, so why has the story seemingly fallen into the obscurity or been forgotten. Then the question become what is fleet is he a spren? Like a unique sentient wind spren kinda like the winds are sentient in many mythology, a cognative shadow?, maybe a combo like the stormfather the shadow of fleet? The inhuman shapes are known as Stormstriders. Unfortunately, we know almost nothing about them. This is the only thing the coppermind has on them, and it can only be found under the "spren" category. Quote Stormstriders are large spren[173] on glowing legs that are seen during highstorms. Kaladin and Shallan see one when they are in a chasm during a highstorm.[174] Dalinar also sees one while he is out in a highstorm traveling between stormshelters.[163] The name "Stormstriders" is a fan-given name that has not been canonized. Also, Hoid doesn't say that he has never told the story, he says that he has never sung the story before.
Valigus Posted March 8, 2021 Author Posted March 8, 2021 6 hours ago, Chinkoln said: The inhuman shapes are known as Stormstriders. Unfortunately, we know almost nothing about them. This is the only thing the coppermind has on them, and it can only be found under the "spren" category. Also, Hoid doesn't say that he has never told the story, he says that he has never sung the story before. Yeah but it’s almsot certainly fleet, at least based on the story he supposedly rides the winds and these things exist considering how much Brandon likes to have random characters pop up again to make the word feel more real like adolin tailor I think it’s safe to say that’s fleet or at least he is a stormstrider thats true I hadn’t considered that distinction but i think that’s debatable like it just seems a trivial distinction though I suppose considering it’s hoid he would almsot certainly exploit such a trivial distinction so I supposed that’s fair
Bejarden he/him Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, Valigus said: Yeah but it’s almsot certainly fleet, at least based on the story he supposedly rides the winds and these things exist considering how much Brandon likes to have random characters pop up again to make the word feel more real like adolin tailor I think it’s safe to say that’s fleet or at least he is a stormstrider thats true I hadn’t considered that distinction but i think that’s debatable like it just seems a trivial distinction though I suppose considering it’s hoid he would almsot certainly exploit such a trivial distinction so I supposed that’s fair What! How did you ever come to that conclusion Stormstriders are pretty obviously great shells in my opinion And a much more believable theory is that fleet is the Stormfather
Chinkoln he/him Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said: Stormstriders are pretty obviously great shells in my opinion The coppermind has them listed as spren
Bejarden he/him Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 Fine large spren that look suspiciously a lot like greatshells and they’re still not fleet
Chinkoln he/him Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said: Fine large spren that look suspiciously a lot like greatshells and they’re still not fleet Agreed, they are not Fleet. I am a subscriber of the Fleet = Stormfather theory.
Valigus Posted March 8, 2021 Author Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Bejardin1250 said: What! How did you ever come to that conclusion Stormstriders are pretty obviously great shells in my opinion And a much more believable theory is that fleet is the Stormfather Because the storm striders fit the story of fleet perfectly. stormstridera seem to be spren though, I think if they were great shells it would be really hard to miss them Well the stormfather existed in some capacity before the shattering so I doubt it, that would make a lot less sense then fleet being a or the storm strider a spren that walks the storms forervet it just doesn’t fit in my opinion for fleet to be the stormfather that’s too important of a role and it doesn’t fit time wise, however fleet being the giant spren seen walking through the storms pretty much fits what we knew of his fate, provides and nice cameo and isn’t too important probably also the stormfather is the one who said he could ride the storm so that doesn’t make a lot of sense. Edited March 8, 2021 by Valigus
Bejarden he/him Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 They’re not chasing the storm their in it Just because something alive is in a storm doesn’t make it fleet Also potentially the Stormstriders could have been there for a very long time
AquaRegia he/him Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 I agree the story of The Girl who Looked Up is almost certainly an allegory for humans leaving Shinovar for the first time. (The wall isn't to keep the monsters OUT, but to keep the monsters IN. I love it.) While it's possible that it was somehow partly inspired by Shalash in particular, her hair is explicitly described as black, not white.
Valigus Posted March 9, 2021 Author Posted March 9, 2021 3 hours ago, AquaRegia said: I agree the story of The Girl who Looked Up is almost certainly an allegory for humans leaving Shinovar for the first time. (The wall isn't to keep the monsters OUT, but to keep the monsters IN. I love it.) While it's possible that it was somehow partly inspired by Shalash in particular, her hair is explicitly described as black, not white. It changes to white without shallan consciously doing anything during her illusion of the story in urithiru if I remember right
AquaRegia he/him Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 On 10/2/2020 at 0:28 PM, Valigus said: another hint to this is that while shallan is showing pattern the story the image of the girl has her hair turn white without shallan intentionally doing so. The same color as ash’s hair. What I'm saying is that your statement here is incorrect. Ash's hair is NOT white, it is black. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Shalash
Valigus Posted March 9, 2021 Author Posted March 9, 2021 2 hours ago, AquaRegia said: What I'm saying is that your statement here is incorrect. Ash's hair is NOT white, it is black. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Shalash Ah yeah that’s true, but it’s the same colorbas the herald images, which seeing as shallan at the point of telling the illusion hadn’t met ash and shallan was involved subconsciously in the hair change on some level I think it makes sense that it was white, we also don’t know what powers the heralds possess without an honor blade and stuff so it’s possible she is light waving on some level. Plus Brandon has rafo’d a lot about the story and it being about humans leaving shinovar/ashyn seems a bit too easy to figure out to be worth and Rafo alone, the story is a pretty clear match to the idea of humans the original boidbringers eother leaving shinovar or ashyn so I think there has to be a deeper mystery here
Could Be Fire Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 On 3/8/2021 at 0:31 PM, AquaRegia said: While it's possible that it was somehow partly inspired by Shalash in particular, her hair is explicitly described as black, not white. Yeah, the images are explicitly in-universe artwork, Shalash clearly has black hair and there's no indication why she wouldn't (Jezerin has black hair, no one mentions she's disguising herself, etc.) I think the only character on Roshar we see with naturally white hair is Wit/Hoid? Which is...interesting.
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